ELL's Cabin

7:00 AM

Hello!

Freddy

Just made my first game "Guess the number"!

codeskulptor.org/#user40_HQuDzOBNowzsTb4.py

7:19 AM

@Freddy Congrats!

8:14 AM

Hullo world!

Fantasier

8:40 AM

Yay I won

Won what?

Hullo, BTW!

9:15 AM

@Fantasier Congrats! (But won what? too)

9:44 AM

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Q: Usage of the verb "read"

I am interested in how to use the verb read in the meaning "understand". The situation: co-workers discuss internal instructions announced and published by the management not long ago. A: How do you read their instructions? How is it read in your opinion? B: I barely understand what they...

The question reminds me of Grice's Cooperative Principle.

> Do you read me?

That's the most common I reckon.

That's different from the context the OP was talking about.

I dunno of they're really having a context in mind.

> I am interested in how to use the verb read in the meaning "understand"....

Oh, true!

Fantasier

@DamkerngT. The number-guessing game lol

9:56 AM

@Fantasier Oh! LOL

@Fantasier Hah!

Shhh. @Freddy may be close.

11:18 AM

source is different than origin. Not in all cases, they mean the same! Job could be your primary source of income, not origin. And in your 'car's' example, both look unnatural, at least to me when I don't have more information about it. — Maulik V 25 mins ago

Hmm.

Where is the downvote button for a comment?

It's hidden. Just for you.

Oh! I didn't know that!

Gotta go. BBL

Have a nice going!

A: Number description for IELTS

12:25 PM

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It is a good practice to use round figure while answering visual presentations in IELTS academic writing task 1. You can use several words like "slightly more than" : just under just over well under well over roughly nearly approximately around about exactly Lets present those numbers by u...

> 25.7: well over 25 or nearly 26

That example makes me think...

Perhaps, well over is context dependent.

But out of context, it sounds a bit odd to me.

Depends on the context, yeah.

What if it's someone's score outta a hundred?

Then if they say my score is well over 25, depending on what I know from them, I'll think 28<their score<35.

Unless they wanna surprise me and say "I got 60 d00d!"

12:39 PM

nods -- I think saying that 25.7 is well over 25 of 100 is very weird.

But, in a logarithmic scale, where 26 is 10 times more than 25, then 25.7 is Wellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll over 25.

12:54 PM

Well... I'm speechless.

Anonymous

1:43 PM

@DamkerngT. It definitely doesn't seem like much

Anonymous

I think it could make sense in context

Anonymous

Just not that context :-)

nods -- Unless he focus is between 25 and 26.

I like the emoticon before the edit. :-)

Anonymous

Well, let's say for example you were measuring physical quantities like on a blood test

BTW, good morning!

Anonymous

1:45 PM

There might be a very narrow range because the body tightly regulates some quantity like blood glucose

nods

Anonymous

So a difference of just a few tenths could be a pretty big difference

But let's say our scale is 0-100. I think saying 24.7 is just below 25 is fine.

Anonymous

Sure, they're practically the same

25.7 would still be just above 25, imo.

@snailboat nods -- You make me think of our body temperature. 37.9 C is well over 37 C, I think.

Anonymous

1:47 PM

That's a good example!

Oh, dogs are a little warmer than human.

(38.3 to 39.2 C)

Cats too! (37.7 - 39.1 C)

2:10 PM

hi folks

Q: Can *is* be used without taking another word after it?

Hi @agent5566!

How is your day going?

Anonymous

Hello!

Anonymous

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I was at a conference and a speaker said this at a keynote. He started the keynote with this following sentence ... (company name) is about what is and what isn't. ... I think the context is they're a DNA testing company, and they're talking about the importance of fast, accurate DNA test. ...

grammar

Anonymous

That's a fun question

True!

I think maybe another variation is more persuasive: what is and what's not

2:19 PM

@DamkerngT. So so

Hehe!

today is the last working day on the week in Russia, because of tomorrow is a holiday

@agent5566 Ah, you meant your day today. I thought you were talking about what is and what's not

Yeah, i'm talking about my working day

today

user116848

telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/11666316/…

user116848

2:34 PM

Is it just me or Stack Exchange main sites slow down the internet?

user116848

Not the chat though.

@DamkerngT. does my sentence about day have a bad structure?

of the week, because of

@DamkerngT. thanks a lot

Welcome!

In casual speech, "Today is the last working day this week" may sound a little better.

2:49 PM

i see

Anonymous

3:14 PM

I don't know what "Stack Exchange main sites slow down the internet" is intended to mean

user116848

@snailboat It slows down the browsing sometimes. And hi there snail :)

user116848

Was my sentence off?

@snailboat Did someone write that somewhere on the web?

@M.A.Ramezani Have you ever heard the "hit and trial" method?

Is that like trial-and-error?

Or Quantum warfare?

Okay, I take it that you haven't.

3:25 PM

Heh.

What kinda method is it? A method in programming?

A method about how to fry eggs efficiently?

Almost all results I got for "hit and trial" are from India.

However, I found it in this book, too:

> books.google.com/books?id=vAZatZQBoV0C&pg=PA40

It's New Living Science CHEMISTRY for CLASS 9 By Raymond Fernandes

@DamkerngT. Do I look like an Indian cyclohexane?

I think Raymond Fernandes doesn't sound like an Indian name.

user116848

hi @M.A.Ramezani

@DamkerngT. Oh?

@Arrowfar Hullo!

3:28 PM

Oh, but the publisher of the book is Delhi-based.

user116848

How are you?

@Dam I didn't know it's called hit and trial in English.

@Arrowfar Exhausted. Thanks!

@M.A.Ramezani What would you call it?

You?

user116848

@M.A.Ramezani Me too. I am knackered.

3:30 PM

Why?

@DamkerngT. Checkout.

nods -- Thanks for the info.

user116848

@M.A.Ramezani Just studies work etc.

@Dam I'm wondering what made you ask that. You wanna do some chemistry my man?

@Arrowfar Well I just ran about...Let me do some calculations.

Q: Is the phrase "Hit-And-Trial" equivalent to "Trial and error"?

Not really. It was because of this question:

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I recall that the phrase "Hit-and-Trial" means "Trial And Error", that is to guess a solution and see if it is valid or not. The problem is that I could not find any authorotative reference which mentions the meaning of "Hit-and-Trial". So please tell me if it means "Trial And Error" or not.

phrase-meaning idiom-meaning

And the only result I thought probably a non-Indian example was in a chemistry textbook.

I just ran 5 miles consecutively.

3:33 PM

Awesome!

My god! I was cooler than I thought...

user116848

@M.A.Ramezani That is too much.

@M.A.Ramezani Hey, I'm sure you will survive Zombieland!

@Arrowfar I think he just didn't see your message above that message.

Anonymous

@Arrowfar That clause is fine grammatically

3:34 PM

@Arrowfar Well I've been absent for two hours and half.

I wasn't running the whole time though...Hehe.

BTW @Dam this hit-and-trial itself is a junky method to balance equations.

So I'd take it like trial-and-error - another junky method.

Anonymous

I don't know what "hit and trial is"

@M.A.Ramezani nods -- I think so. I think we all do that too. I'm not sure what it's called in English. (Trial-and-error is probably it, but I think it's a bit different.)

Ah come on! He gets hurt too easily!

Anonymous

→ 19 messages moved to Trashcan

Anonymous

Let's stick to talking about English right now.

user116848

3:39 PM

Hey, who kicked me out? @snailboat @DamkerngT.

Anonymous

Me.

user116848

I was perfectly okay.

Or Japanese, or cat. :-)

@snailboat I don't get this.

Anonymous

@M.A.Ramezani The discussion is spiraling out of control, and it needs to stop.

user116848

3:40 PM

@snailboat Btw It is very hurtful when you talk to me like that.

Is Trashcan different from Trash?

Anonymous

I will stop it if other people aren't willing to.

Anonymous

That's all.

@Arrowfar I suggest chilling.

I don't want bad stuff to happen again.

user116848

@snailboat Be honest with me please. Do you want me to stop coming here. I am asking it politely.

Anonymous

3:42 PM

@Arrowfar It doesn't matter to me in general, but you're picking a fight because you misread something and feel wronged, and if that discussion continues it will lead nowhere good

Anonymous

So I suggest you take a break and leave for now.

For now.

Or you could continue the discussion.

user116848

@snailboat No, thanks. I am good. Change the topic then.

Cool!

user116848

Yeah cool!

user116848

3:48 PM

@snailboat Btw saying "It doesn't matter to me in general" can be taken as hostile.

user116848

I am repeating myself @snailboat

user116848

You know what? I don’t get it. I like you here a lot, honestly. But still you are unkind sometimes. I don’t know why you do that.

user116848

Unless you guys are open I am not sure why I come into this room.

@Arrowfar well, so far, the conflicts have only been because of misunderstandings.

user116848

@M.A.Ramezani Yeah. I think so.

3:50 PM

Let's look at it from our point of view.

We are chatting; where all of a sudden, we see your message about us being harsh.

Then we get baffled.

user116848

Well, Snail is harsh with me sometimes.

We say that what the heck are you talking about? I wasn't insulting you! Which message was it?

Then you show them the message.

Or us.

user116848

She treats me like a second class citizen sometimes.

All of us are second class, except @snail.

user116848

I am clueless why?

3:53 PM

Her name's in blue.

user116848

@M.A.Ramezani I don't think so. I ain't no second class.

Please be reminded that we're all supposed to "Be Nice".

I'm not sure what has happened.

And probably I don't want to know.

@Arrowfar I was just joking!

user116848

okay

@DamkerngT. Well, it's getting resolved.

We have it under control.

3:54 PM

Okay, I'll wait.

So where was I?

Oh.

@Arrowfar Examples?

In the last message, I know it could mean she was harsh; but to me, it meant like she was apologizing in advance for kicking you out if things were to get ugly.

Or kicking all of us out.

Whatevs.

user116848

@M.A.Ramezani Btw I am sorry MA about the past.

user116848

Good thing I am not on your ignore list.

She's the mod and she knows how to deal with something like this.

user116848

Thanks.

3:58 PM

@Arrowfar No need to be.

It was no one's fault.

user116848

Okay, thanks.

I got it. This was a method for balancing chemical equations. — user31782 57 secs ago

Hey, it's about chemistry indeed!

user116848

@M.A.Ramezani Too be honest chat is very hurtful sometimes.

Haha!

@Arrowfar Oh you have no idea!

You haven't met ADG.

user116848

I mean it takes a toll on my mind. I am a sensitive person in real life too.

user116848

4:03 PM

It is just that I have a bit of temper, ha ha.

user116848

:-)

user116848

Anyway, peace. I like you guys here no matter what.

Imagining @Arrow chat with ADG

Hah! It'd be a flag hell!

user116848

@M.A.Ramezani Is he hot headed too?

@Arrowfar He's...

user116848

4:04 PM

:)

user116848

Well, change the topic then.

Damn Google Chrome!

I thought something was wrong with my internet.

@Arrowfar The day I chat with him for half an hour, I felt worse and more exhausted than today.

user116848

I use Firefox.

@Arrowfar Well, I use Chrome only because I use Browsec.

user116848

@M.A.Ramezani Oh

4:12 PM

Oh, and also because it's metro UI.

user116848

I see

ADG, Jaipur, India

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discussion

@Arrow notice his impressive ban...

Anyways @Dam this hit-and-trial works like the following.

You choose the biggest molecule.

Then you choose the element in it which is the least variable.

(H and O don't count)

You continue till you have balanced everything, of course except, H and O.

Then you balance O, and finally H.

Usually you end up seeing both are balanced.

This method is so junky, it won't balance many complicated reactions.

So, out teacher improvised it, and that's what I call checkout.

I think I've used that method too.

Scratch that. I've been taught.

When you were in school 45267435267856 years ago?

Seems so. :-)

4:19 PM

It's very junky.

Sounds like a perfect fit for computers.

Yeah, and you'll end up with MS calculator saying that 1+1=9.5514414851

lol

WOOOHOO!

Six candidates for the election...

?

Oh, they're still running.

4:21 PM

Let me think...Can I name 'em without peeking?

Martin, Jonsca, Manish, Lord, Santiago, Ringo.

Man I have a good memory.

:D

I think if no cool guy like Ron or Klaus steps in, we'll have Martin, Jonsca and Manish as our next mods.

Scratch that. I foretell.

Q: You pays your money, you takes your choice

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From BBC News on Airport expansion comes the quote: But the Gatwick scheme is better for the local environment, and it should be easier to deliver politically and financially. You pays your money, you takes your choice. What does You pays your money, you takes your choice. mean? It is clea...

meaning idioms

Interesting!

First thought: slanguage baby!

user116848

@M.A.Ramezani There are many.

user116848

4:27 PM

But I don't want to paste them here.

Then let's forget 'em.

Ah yeah.

Oh my! How lucky am I to get a thesisy answer to my chem question! I is proud of myself!

user116848

And I always ended up saying sorry to @snailboat. But she is still harsh with me. Case in point: Today.

NVM. That's @snailboat. You mess with her, you mess with ENGLISH in its whole.

;]

That looks like Arnold. ^

user116848

I mean I feel pretty insulted when @snailboat talks like that.

Well, I usually pack my feathers when she talks like that.

user116848

4:30 PM

She clearly lacks people skills.

user116848

We have seen such instances on the main site too.

Conclusion: Pure English lacks people skills.

user116848

I am sorry to say that.

user116848

I really truly am.

BTW @Arrow do you know a good word as a translation of وارسی?

Is it probe? O.0

user116848

4:32 PM

Um, let me think.

user116848

No, no. It is fine.

Oh wait...I think I discovered or invented a smiley: Wink o.-

Just like the discovery of Penicillin...Or Teflon...I is again so proud of myself.

user116848

@M.A.Ramezani No, can't say I have heard that.

You mean like you don't have the word there?

Its meaning goes along the lines of بررسی.

user116848

Yes, no word here like that.

user116848

4:36 PM

It is all Persian. In Urdu we have some Persian words but only few.

It's like دوباره بررسی کردن.

Persian syntax feels weird in chat.

user116848

Persian sounds like Pushto and Baluchi to me.

user116848

I may be wrong.

It's kinda small too. I wonder why they chose the Arial font.

@Arrowfar They're classified as the same script types in TeX.

Along with Arabic.

user116848

ah I see

4:40 PM

@Arrow are there elections anywhere else where you go?

I mean running elections.

user116848

You mean like SE elections? or real life?

SE elections.

user116848

No on SE not on English or Science fiction sites.

We have elections in chem and bio.SE.

user116848

Yes I heard that in some chat.

user116848

4:42 PM

Good luck!

user116848

Are you running?

Everyone that should've nominated did, and I can't wait for the election phase.

@Arrowfar I wanna nominate in the next one.

user116848

@M.A.Ramezani Whoa, whoa, whoa! I will have to be very polite with you then :D

user116848

Haha, just kidding.

Yeah I'm gonna get the hammer next year...

You better watch it!

Or I'll...

...Watch it for you!

It's a cool movie. I love its soundtrack.

user116848

4:49 PM

:)

Q: Are rumors of a film true? I hope so by golly!

103

I heard that there is a film being made. If so, please consider my poster: Then people at the Tavern (Lasse V. Karlsen, Yi Jiang, Diago, Tim) had some suggestions: Anyway, I hope people make some good suggestions for plot, etc. ... Good luck with filming and stuff. Aiden Also, Resemblan...

discussion fun

user116848

user116848

Nice hammer.

Yes. That's what I'm talking about.

I found its twin:

user116848

Yes, I was looking for that image. Where did you find it?

4:52 PM

In the Periodic Table.

user116848

Ahh, I was looking in Mos Eisley chat. Then I Googled.

user116848

Anyway, I better get going.

Have a nice time!

user116848

@snailboat killed my mood today though. Like always.

user116848

Bye!

4:55 PM

C'mon! Get over it! Bye anyway! Waves hands

user116848

Waves back. And peace.

Q: What's the meaning of "realise" here?

5:49 PM

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Does it mean that The writer purchased the table for £800? This table realized £800. I took this example from The Free Dictionary's page on realise

meaning-in-context

A strange close!

Oh I've seen that one.

The OP quoted an example from a dictionary and we closed it because it's "Basic questions on spelling, meaning or pronunciation are off-topic as they should be answered using a dictionary."!

thax very much for ur instant answer feels being in a chat room. — user20396 7 hours ago

Hehe!

LOL

They certainly haven't met @snailboat!

5:52 PM

Here's a NYTimes piece on the origin: Mark Twain used the saying in 1884, at the end of chapter 28 of ''Huckleberry Finn,'' ...''. . . here's your two sets o' heirs to old Peter Wilks - and you pays your money and you takes your choice!'' The origin ... is British, probably Cockney. The first time the saying saw print was in an 1846 Punch. A cartoon entitled ''The Ministerial Crisis'' has a showman telling a customer, ''Which ever you please, my little dear. You pays your money, and you takes your choice.'' nytimes.com/1988/02/28/magazine/… — Adam 6 mins ago

Oh! That's a gem for me today!

Cool!

LOL!

6:16 PM

@Dam what's his brain?

Fliving?

Flaving?

Fly win?

Oh, the puzzle!

According to the transcription, it's friveck, a made-up word.

Why you...!

What does it mean?

Hehe!

Oh, as for the meaning...

a moment

(It's an ELL question.)

Oh?

Link!

Ah, sorry! I misremembered the word. It's fliveck.

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Q: What is "fliveck"?

I've heard the following in an episode of a series and, while I understand the implied meaning of the word, I'd like to know more details about it (such as origin, usage, frequency etc.). I haven't been able to locate any resources on the net that referred to it though. I wanted to clone a sh...

word-meaning

6:20 PM

Hah! Simpsons!

Yup!

Let me think...Will I detect the sound?

user116848

I cried a bit.

@DamkerngT. So many Characters have voices like that...I can't detect who it is.

user116848

I mean I am a 28 years old guy, and happy other times, but sometimes life takes a toll man.

6:23 PM

@Arrowfar Why? Chopping onions?

Let me see if I can find a screenshot.

user116848

@M.A.Ramezani haha, no :-)

Oh, I knew it was professor!

Yay!

user116848

6:27 PM

I'll go to bed, very sad today.

You need to meet Joker @Arrow!

G-night!

user116848

Nah, not sleeping now.

user116848

I will sleep later.

@DamkerngT. Which episode is this? I haven't seen it.

user116848

Yeah I need a joker.

6:29 PM

@Arrowfar So you'll go to bed to...Oh boy!

@M.A.Ramezani It's from "Days of the Future Future".

Hmm...Which season?

Let's see...

Oh...25th.

:(

I haven't seen past 21.

I think you're right!

Ah, there is no the in the episode's name.

user116848

6:33 PM

@M.A.Ramezani Btw I am polling here. Do you think I should stop coming to ELL room? I'd appreciate your thoughts.

@Arrowfar Nah...Why?

user116848

@M.A.Ramezani Because snail says "meh". Damk is ignoring me. So I feel like crap.

@DamkerngT. I type the in Google and I get Peptide bond formation mechanism.

@M.A.Ramezani Google knows you're a chemling!

@Arrowfar Well, I think @Dam has nothing to say.

user116848

6:34 PM

I am saying again guys: Accept my apologies if I ever wronged you here.

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user116848

I never mean to hurt anyone, like never.

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user116848

Thanks for starring.

user116848

I was feeling really, really sad.