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ProgramFOX

9:22 AM

@Unihedron Sure, I can! Let me know when you're up for that.

Unihedron

@ProgramFOX I'm going to take a quick meal after playing Vand. :p

ProgramFOX

oh fun, me watching!

Unihedron

/tv

ProgramFOX

baaah you could have exploded him

with your queen

but well you won anyway :p

@Uni Just saying... when Vand moves his queen next to a pawn you can capture with your Knight... then you shouldn't move another pawn, because you can take his queen.

Unihedron

@ProgramFOX :o

That's right!

ProgramFOX

9:33 AM

That happened like 3 times.

Unihedron

Hmm.

I'm going to get food now. See you in a bit, if you're still here, and we can look at atomic. :P

ProgramFOX

9:49 AM

Ok :p

ProgramFOX

10:44 AM

@Uni Now I'm off for lunch.

Unihedron

@ProgramFOX Seeya! I'm going home.

ProgramFOX

11:34 AM

I'm back.

@Uni Atomic?

Unihedron

don't

distract

?

for a bit plz

oh okay

I'm playing my mmutual enemy

ugh

> Unihedron | gg
Unihedron | oh wait you missed the checkmate

lol

Ok, we're done.

Let's go learn something about atomic!

ProgramFOX

11:48 AM

All right. I'll do the talking here, that's easier than Lichess chat.

So, first to know: a defensive move at the opening is very important, otherwise the chance of losing is bigger.

Unihedron

Yeah, it has a character limit for some weird reason.

ProgramFOX

anti-flooding?

Unihedron

But, you know, they could at least implement some limit on the input box itself so you know where you have to cut it off

anyway

@ProgramFOX Are the knight openings the most defensive moves?

ProgramFOX

true

@Unihedron My knight move is more of an attacking move; after all, if you don't defend, you'll most likely lose.

I meant "opening" broader than "first move"

Unihedron

Oh, ok.

ProgramFOX

11:52 AM

so, a pawn move is the best defending in this case

Unihedron

ProgramFOX

^ yup

Unihedron

So I'd better protect the king, unless I like having it blown up, which is clearly not the case. :p

The grid is critical and the easiest move is f6.

ProgramFOX

Yep, f6 is a strong move here.

Unihedron

e4 opens up the threat of Bd5.

The knight can also berserk at Ke5 to open up Qh5.

ProgramFOX

11:54 AM

e4 is strong if the opponent responds with e5

Unihedron

But Kg5 is pretty strong.

ProgramFOX

It is. It's less strong if black does not respond with e5, though.

If your pawn captures my Knight, my queen can go and win.

Unihedron

If it was me, I'd toss 3. ...Bb4 4. e3 (. Ke3) Bc5.

Of course, 5. e4 kills the tempo.

ProgramFOX

sounds strong indeed

but it does not kill the Knight that attacks you

Unihedron

It's strong, but short-lived. With the white pawns now in diagonal (and potentially the opponent moved their knight, which adds +33% to the castling department), I'm almost tempted to move pawns to my right (a-d), which is always a poor idea.

Qe7 or Kf8?

ProgramFOX

12:02 PM

with Qe7, it's less likely you lose your bishop

Unihedron

Wait

If I move my king after Kd6, I've lost

ProgramFOX

not immediately, if you move it to f8

but then I do Nf5

Unihedron

d8 -> Nc8#, (f8, f7) -> Ne8, ?, Ng7# / Nf6#

ProgramFOX

So well, if you don't want to die right now, you'll have to capture my knight...

You see how long a suboptimal defending move can follow you.

ProgramFOX

12:18 PM

@Unihedron github.com/ornicar/lila/pull/528

Unihedron

12:43 PM

I still can't figure out whether capturing with pieces or pawn is a better idea.

ProgramFOX

Pieces.

Unihedron

I know I'd lose both my bishop and my queen either way, but.

ProgramFOX

Pawns are very useful during the endgame. In a situation like this where you can keep them, then keep them.

Unihedron

Oh, I understand.

ProgramFOX

We're past the opening. Now the midgame starts.

Unihedron

12:47 PM

Just now? :O

ProgramFOX

The goal of the midgame is to break through the opponent's protection, and protect your king.

@Unihedron well, the line is not that clear, perhaps it started a few moves ago

Unihedron

@ProgramFOX I'm slightly sad knowing that when I play in those casual tournaments, I lose at the start rather than mid-game. :)

But I got it. :p

ProgramFOX

At this moment, we are both pretty well protected.

Unihedron

d6 and c6 are now my options to defend your pawns from promoting.

Ok, now I'm dead.

So I can't let my knight die like that.

ProgramFOX

Yeah, you have to pay attention for "forks" like that.

Unihedron

12:57 PM

Actually, you could had just blown up the king. xD

ProgramFOX

I know. But whatever.

Unihedron

Actually, never mind - preserving the queen gives you higher material points at the end.

I wish they implement computer analysis for atomic so I can learn from my mistakes.

ProgramFOX

Do material points affect your rating or something?

Unihedron

No.

It's your performance that affects the rating.

ProgramFOX

Well, then why would it be important to keep material points at the end?

Unihedron

1:02 PM

I don't know.

ProgramFOX

eh

@Uni Want to do another game?

Unihedron

Sure!

Now I'm going to play the Scotch opening.

ProgramFOX

bad idea...

Unihedron

Eh, it seems that should had been Qg5.

ProgramFOX

That bishop defending is a good idea.

user43095

1:14 PM

o/

user43095

@Seth Did you give up?

Unihedron

\o

Ok, I'm tempted to prematurely castle, but I know it will kill me after experiencing it before.

user43095

Ooh atomic?

user43095

I wanna play!

Unihedron

Here I play Nf3, which makes sure you can't blow up my bishop yet.

Wait, Kf1 kills me.

user43095

1:16 PM

It does

Unihedron

Be1 -> Bxf2#

user43095

I suggest bishop to f4

Unihedron

When the blocking pawn gets taken, the queen can easily checkmate me.

user43095

Move the knight to block queen?

user43095

Probably castle

Unihedron

1:19 PM

@JeffreyLin My king already moved from the previous check at Bb4+.

user43095

Well, it's kind hard to win once the queen is introduced into mid-end game

user43095

Check with bishop might temporarily save you.

user43095

d5

user43095

What why?

Unihedron

@JeffreyLin d5 -> exd4+

user43095

1:24 PM

I think black should have sacrificed bishop to blow up pawn

Unihedron

I agree.

brb

user43095

Breakfast, afk

ProgramFOX

gg

yeah, I should have exploded the pawn; I missed that you could check me

user43095

1:39 PM

@ProgramFOX Wanna play a game?

ProgramFOX

pretty busy atm, but I can play later, or a Correspondence game

Unihedron

@JeffreyLin I can play you instead!

Atomic?

I'm back btw

user43095

I'll play all of you!

user43095

Queen gets me every time

ProgramFOX

gg

Unihedron

1:43 PM

Challenged bullet atomic

My chance to employ what I just learned from fox :D

ProgramFOX

:D

user43095

Crap misclick

Unihedron

Crap didn't see

user43095

Close one

Unihedron

Rc2+ would had won for you

you lost the forced checkmate sequence

Kf2 ... Rf1

Ke2 is illegal, anything else makes Ref3 take a winning

wat

LOL

user43095

1:57 PM

That wouldn't have worked anyway, you would have blown up the queen

Unihedron

lol blunder

I knew that was the worst move after playing it

user43095

I usually castle queenside to replace a queen since they both go long distance boom

user43095

That gets me every time too

Unihedron

OH

user43095

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

Unihedron

2:02 PM

THAT RULE

I ALWAYS FORGET ARGH

bashes keyboard

user43095

Gives it a little more fun

Unihedron

en.lichess.org/PWnlhTqT3nBB

user43095

It wouldn't have been a draw if there were more queens

Unihedron

@ProgramFOX: Should I make a forum post about adding a rule to draw games like that? ^

user43095

Happens all the time. Check my history

ProgramFOX

2:08 PM

@Unihedron There's already a GH issue for that.

Unihedron

ohk

Heh, despite losing most of those games my rating still went up.

user43095

@Unihedron Stalemate

user43095

That's because it goes up by like 30 every time you win :P

Unihedron

@JeffreyLin lol

user43095

I remember there was one where he did it using like five queens, but can't find it in my history

user43095

2:16 PM

Usually you forget to move the pawns, accidently get pushed up against it, and boom

Unihedron

Standard is easier than atomic. :p

Seth

3:11 PM

Anyone up for some blitz?

In terrible so this shouldn't be hard ;)

ProgramFOX

I am.

Seth

I'm*

(Correcting myself)

ProgramFOX

ah lol, I was confused for a few seconds :p

How fast do you want it?

Seth

@ProgramFOX lichess.org/aYSRwD6L

user43095

0+2

Seth

3:12 PM

Sound OK?

ProgramFOX

yep

ProgramFOX

3:23 PM

ggs

Seth

ggs

ProgramFOX

Up for an Atomic game?

Seth

Sure

ProgramFOX

5+3 lichess.org/weK0k6Jc

Seth

Gah

I was thinking like standard >.>

ProgramFOX

3:26 PM

Eh, makes me think of how I sometimes think like Atomic in Standard...

Unihedron

4:11 PM

lichess.org/tv/51892773

Bullet! :D

Unihedron

5:34 PM

My mind hurts from figuring out how atomic works, but I think I'm getting somewhere.

Night!

ProgramFOX

Night!

Just play lots of rated games, that's where I got my knowledge from.

Seth

6:00 PM

/me is watching /tv

@ProgramFOX How long does it take for one to show up? Most of the games I see are 960, anti or standard.

ProgramFOX

@Seth That can take a while, so that's why I usually create one myself.

Seth

ah

Seth

6:14 PM

Chess pet peeve: When people say "kill" instead of "capture".

Anyone know a client/engine that supports king of the hill?

ProgramFOX

You can simply play KotH games on Lichess with Stockfish.

Seth

gah I hate that. I go to click a game on the front page and the list expands and I click the wrong one.

ProgramFOX

Uh... why does Stockfish castle in a KotH game?

doesn't look optimal to get into the center xD

Seth

Yeah I don't think it really knows how to play

ProgramFOX

Well, it checkmated me -_-

Seth

6:27 PM

agh, I can't believe I did that on move #22 -.- en.lichess.org/fxc9RHfk/black#22

ProgramFOX

well, you won anyway :)

Seth

true

Seth

9:06 PM

not really sure what my opponent was thinking here: en.lichess.org/uk1q1zK2#1

Unihedron

11:17 PM

@Seth I feel the same with this game: en.lichess.org/LMYV5ckDcOIA

I also felt the same with this game: en.lichess.org/elC4BxStiotJ

user43095

@ProgramFOX Some people do that to block the opponent's way or to checkmate the opponent. Then they can stroll to the center.

Unihedron

11:34 PM

@JeffreyLin I don't think there's a "then" clause for a checkmate :)

user43095

In the first if

Unihedron

Delightful, I won three blitz games

and then lost a bullet game because I panicked when my opponent made a good move that made me think for >10 seconds and I gave away my queen and am immediately fried.

sigh.

user43095

Atomic?

Unihedron

Regular.

Was about to say classic, but that's >7 min

Another wtf blitz game that I won strangely when I shouldn't, but this time higher rating.

Unihedron

11:56 PM

did I just

whoa

Won six out of seven blitz games

and here I was thinking I'll play some rated games before I go to school and probably lose most of my rating to build up again later~

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