English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

3:00 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title: 강남건마 /강촌건마 /『밤의전쟁』강남건마 BAMwar.com by nokarindave on english.stackexchange.com

tchrist

Add a Hangul filter to titles.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title: 홍대건마 /연수건마 /강북건마 BamWAR.COM / 〖밤의전쟁〗 by leepyeen on english.stackexchange.com

ProgramFOX

@tchrist interesting, thanks!

Andrew Leach

@tchrist Suggested that. Devs have been alerted by a CM. It's not a mod function.

tchrist

You might need to make all the \s* into [\s_]* or even [\s\pP]*.

ProgramFOX

3:04 PM

ok

tchrist

@AndrewLeach Yes, we knew that from GRAMMA CORRECT.

But thanks.

I figured you had already.

pizza

missed two posts: english.stackexchange.com/q/239525/94657

and english.stackexchange.com/q/239527/94657

Andrew Leach

This is doing wonders for my flag count.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title: 〘밤의전쟁〙강남건마 덕천건마 /강서건마 / BAMWARcoM by sayartaba on english.stackexchange.com

pizza

@AndrewLeach Does SE give mod raises based on handled flag counts?

Well, what would 20% raise of 0 be...

Andrew Leach

3:09 PM

So the answer must be Yes, of course!

But actually, every time I flag a spam post (and it's deleted cos that's a mod flag), my flag is marked Helpful.

pizza

It's impossible for a mod to cast an un-helpful flag, I suppose.

tchrist

This is one of those days that I’m glad I have 100 flags. Which almost never happens.

NortonnS revenge.

pizza

spam english.stackexchange.com/q/239532/94657

Cerberus

It never ends, does it?

Is there an IP address to block?

pizza

@Cerberus The spam-fighting system is supposedly blocking them automatically, so this must be either a distributed botnet or something that can change IPs quickly.

Cerberus

3:20 PM

@pizza Ah OK, I didn't know that.

What else could be done?

Blocking Chinese should be an emergency measure, it's not ideal...

Mitch

It seems silly to create bots to do this. Why would they? It only conveniences us and they get no benefit from it. Is it considered a sort of training ground for more serious purposes?

Cerberus

> Impact
~2.5m people reached

Somehow, I am sceptical.

Mitch

@Cerberus Korean

Cerberus

Oh, Korean, OK.

Mitch

Which narrows things down

Cerberus

3:21 PM

@Mitch It costs them nothing, that is the reason.

@Mitch ...to what?

pizza

@Cerberus Nothing other than keep an eye on newest questions page in case SmokeDetector misses some. The wave will pass... it's not the first one on SE, though the biggest in a long time.

Mitch

Well it costs them their time, so it makes me think of amateurs/bored teenagers.

@Cerberus Korea is a lot smaller than China.

Andrew Leach

I don't think very many of the posts are actually from Korea.

Cerberus

@pizza Are we sure that it will pass?

Is it on all SE sites?

pizza

Only ELU is affected by the current wave.

Cerberus

3:24 PM

@Mitch Once you set the programme, it shouldn't cost you any more time. And it can be used on other websites too, so there is little marginal cost to SE.

pizza

There was a famous one on Ask Ubuntu... let me dig up a link.

Mitch

@AndrewLeach well, I don't know mmuch about how to track things, and I suppose one could misdirect by putting another script in the content.

terdon

@pizza Babaji

Cerberus

@Mitch Yes, but what do you propose? Track down the people behind it? That still won't stop the botnet.

@pizza Weird.

terdon

How about blocking all questions whose title is not at least, say 70% A-Za-z?

Mitch

3:25 PM

@terdon that sounds like somebody's relative

terdon

Not sure how that would play out on utf8 though.

@Mitch Famous spammer.

Mitch

@Cerberus it's something, to at least know the perpetrators

terdon

s/famous/bloody annoying/

Cerberus

@terdon Good idea!

Mitch

@terdon amateur or for profit?

pizza

3:26 PM

Here's a screenshot from WebApps wave a while back.

Cerberus

Maybe higher than 70%.

@Mitch Primo, it is still impossible to track people down in a country of 50 million.

Secundo, I still think it wouldn't really help...

ProgramFOX

@tchrist I can get the second part of the regex to work, but the script=Hangul part not.

Mitch

@pizza Wallabies vs All Blacks? Holy crap I missed that game!

Cerberus

@pizza Super annoying!

RegDwigнt

Woah my new profile is all new.

tchrist

3:31 PM

’Tis.

@ProgramFOX Right, try the abbreviation: \p{Hangul}.

@ProgramFOX Or \p{IsHangul}. I assume you’fre using Matt's regex lib.

RegDwigнt

What does the fox use?

Reg-reg-reg-reg-regex, lib-lib-lib-lib-lib.

tchrist

rrrrrrrrrre3g

ProgramFOX

@tchrist Tried both Hangul and IsHangul, but they don't match anything; it compiles fine at regex.compile, but search finds nothing.

Yes, I use Matt's lib.

tchrist

@ProgramFOX Are you remembering to decode the data?

I rather wish the spammy domain were not in a meta title.

Would anyone be okay with that being effaced?

ProgramFOX

@tchrist Aha, it does work with a regex.UNICODE flag.

tchrist

3:35 PM

I hate that that is needed.

IIRC it’s to turn on \w \s \b \d for Unicode not just ASCII. I didn’t know you needed it for props. That is confusing.

terdon

@Mitch Profit, advertizing fortune tellers.

RegDwigнt

@tchrist you can go electronic-frontier-foundationace it to your heart's content.

tchrist

Ace. Score.

Fait accompli.

Andrew Leach

Posts with Korean characters anywhere are now blacklisted on ELU.

2

tchrist

¡¡¡¡¡¡¡HURRAY!!!!

RegDwigнt

3:40 PM

Who you call fait.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt dead fêtes

ProgramFOX

New regexes added to SmokeDetector: github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/commit/…

RegDwigнt

Fête-à-fête.

ProgramFOX

um, that commit broke all of our automated tests

tchrist

All we are left with is the ghost of kimchi past.

@ProgramFOX How come?

ProgramFOX

3:41 PM

I'm trying to figure that out now.

tchrist

Also, could you please add me to Smokey’s BFF list? I’m tired of not being able to confirm or deny ELU spammage. Thanks.

ProgramFOX

sure

note that commands only work in Tavern on the Meta and Charcoal HQ

RegDwigнt

Good thing we long got rid of all our linguists. These people just wouldn't stop using Korean, Arabic, and other Terrorist characters.

Andrew Leach

We can always unblacklist Korean in due course.

RegDwigнt

Nono, I said good thing.

tchrist

3:43 PM

@RegDwigнt We get Arabic from to time.

RegDwigнt

Gum disease arabic.

tchrist

I recently answered an Arabic regex question on SO, and ojalá it were easier to use RTL in regexes. Really annoying to deal with.

RegDwigнt

Quizás.

tchrist

vim goes gebonkert.

Can't see where you're typing.

RegDwigнt

Use pine.

tchrist

3:45 PM

I prefer vim's gif displays.

RegDwigнt

Vim is a pine in the ass.

ProgramFOX

Okay, tests should be fixed now; I guess it wasn't such a good idea to add (?ix) in the middle of a long regex when all parts were joined...

RegDwigнt

Why that's a nice method to catch stray Asterixes and Obelixes and Itefixes.

ProgramFOX

:D

RegDwigнt

But I must be off for today. It has been a pleasure again.

tchrist

3:49 PM

@ProgramFOX (?ix:.....) to restrict scope.

ProgramFOX

oh, nice!

tchrist

The gold regex badge gots to be useful for sumthun. :)

Pace Mjölnir.

ProgramFOX

I believe (?x) gives the same results if you strip all spaces from the regex, is that correct?

@tchrist I've given you the privileges now :)

tchrist

@ProgramFOX wellifyoudonotcareaboutmaintainingitlateryoucoulddothatyes.

ProgramFOX

good point

tchrist

3:53 PM

Like machine language, it makes sense for computer-generated/compiled stuff that only computers ever have to read again.

Oh noes! My helpful frags have been outed!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist Is a helpful frag when you kill someone in a FPS deathmatch before that person can can kill someone else?

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 My G2 has been off the charger for 84 hours now, of which 3 hours during which the screen was on. My battery is at 35 percent. Don't you want that?

tchrist

Interesting how the SO profs have highlighted top tags but the ELU ones don’t seem to.

So there is some site-specific configury.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus That's nice but it isn't the primary concern for my phone use.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 But it's nice anyway, right, when otherwise phones aren't much different any more, these days?

tchrist

3:59 PM

Next badge is Legendary? I very sincerely doubt that.

Cerberus

It eats about 0.6% per hour when the screen is off; 10% per hour when browsing at medium brightness; 5% per hour when reading an e-book at low brightness.

All on Wifi, though.

But all synchronization stuff with Google turned on.

tchrist

It’s not worth trying to use your phone to read a book with: the light doesn’t last long enough and you’ll have to go fetch a candle.

Cerberus

It lasts 20 hours, as you see.

I charge it regularly.

tchrist

Never seen a screen that could stay on all the day long.

Cerberus

And I need more than 4 hours of sleep a day, so I can use that time to charge it and still read all day long without going below 20% battery.

Well, it depends on the screen, on the software, on the battery.

tchrist

4:01 PM

@ProgramFOX Thank you.

Cerberus

This phone has an exceptional battery.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus "not that different" - well, no, not that different, except one of the main things I want is frequent, timely, and current Android versions.

and LG has a terrible track record at delivering android updates

the Android 5.1 update just landed on my N4. Will that ever even reach the G2?

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I really wonder why you find that so important, but, very well. Are CM's regular updates good enough? They often fix things before Google does, and they are less buggy.

Lollipop is still riddled with bugs, I read everywhere.

Even stock Lollipop.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus CM lags Google Android by months.

Cerberus

Even on Nexus.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

4:07 PM

@Cerberus Well, I have it, and I like it. I'm not seeing these bugs.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Isn't that good enough? They fix more bugs in the mean time, before upgrading to a new Android version.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus No, it's not good enough.

I'm not that happy with CM.

They are understaffed.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I rarely see bugs anyway, in any ROM.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

There are only a few bugs I've noticed with my phone and they don't appear to be Lollipop-related. Probably hardware.

Cerberus

You know what's funny?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

4:08 PM

1. the 5GHz wi-fi just doesn't work at all. 2. The screen has a dead touch zone

Cerberus

I rarely notice any bugs, but I never update immediately, and most bugs I read about, and the most serious ones, are in x.0.0 or x.x.0 versions of stock OSes.

So why on earth would I want to update immediately and suffer the most and the most serious bugs?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

You are free to make your choices.

Cerberus

As are you.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I update immediately and rarely if ever encounter any of the bugs people wail about.

terdon

@Cerberus why don't you just get an iphone? That has great battery life and no bugs.

prepares the popcorn

Cerberus

4:11 PM

But, if all you care about is the Google's latest version of Android as soon as possible (as opposed to other ROM makers' latest versions), then what other choice is there than Nexus?

@terdon ...

!!!

terdon

:)

Cerberus

1. It is full of bugs, every OS update has people wailing.

2. It has mediocre battery life, not great battery life.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus It isn't ALL I care about. But it is important.

terdon

You really are something. Despite knowing perfectly well that I'm trolling you, you still can't resist :P

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I also care about not having annoying arbitrary manufacturer crap installed, like half of the stuff in Touchwiz which is just annoying.

Cerberus

4:13 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 OK OK, but it is to you the only distinguishing feature among the most popular Android phones.

OK OK, and no Touchwiz.

All of that points to Nexus.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus It is an important distinguishing feature. And it certainly discourages buying a G2, which is getting old.

Cerberus

@terdon Of course! I also know that the chocolate is taunting me, but I still cannot resist cramming it into my mouth.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus yes, it does, and there isn't a good nexus choice right now.

Cerberus

Not the Nexus 6? The Nexus 5?

I personally think they're overpriced, but you can get what you want?

Do you want to be able to keep your phone in your pocket?

Robusto

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Q: It's too cute! But what is "it"?

Sometime on the Internet we see some cute cat doing some cute things: And because of that, an English speaker will say: It's too cute. Because I'm French, and in French we have no good equivalent for 'it', I wonder... Does the 'it' stand for: The cat. The situation (what the cat is actuall...

Someone is trolling with cat pix.

Cerberus

4:16 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Otherwise, you might consider using a tablet as your phone.

Robusto

Don't we have a canonical for indeterminate "it"?

Cerberus

@Robusto Sure, it's trolling...but of the good kind. I like it.

Robusto

Bah, humbug.

tchrist

Stupits.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Nexus 5: too old. Nexus 6: too big.

tchrist

4:21 PM

Let’s for –100:

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A: New profile pages are out - bugs and feedback master list

The grammar is incorrect for object pronouns: The correct singular object pronoun should be him/her/them (if shared accounts are to be recognized). I'm one person, so 'them' is incorrect in this context (even if it does appear 'awkward' to some). The convention to use 'them' as a singular ge...

Dumpster.

Airlock.

Peever corral.

terdon

@Cerberus :P

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist I've done my part

Cerberus

4:37 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Mm what is the 5 too old for?

tchrist

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Thanks. Peevers with no research background just bug me. There is a reason it is OED sense #2.

Cerberus

@tchrist He is right.

+1

terdon

@Cerberus Et tu Cerbus?

tchrist

@Cerberus OED#2 HTH&HAND

terdon

Also, @Cerberus how can you defend someone who distinguishes between convention and "proper grammar"?

Robusto

4:44 PM

We must burn the heretics!

Those who do not think like us must fall!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus The 5 is already almost 1.5 years old. It is reaching the end of its Google-promised-update-lifecycle.

terdon

@Robusto Damn straight. That's all that's left us now that prescriptivism is passé

tchrist

@terdon Propriety notwithstanding, although but english grammar has is is it no no not of of rules same that that the this true unlike violation.

terdon

@tchrist Yes, but which of them is not a convention?

tchrist

By convention depends guess I mean right that what you.

terdon

4:52 PM

I mean "something that was, more or less arbitrarily, agreed upon by the people involved".

tchrist

I think that now I’ll turn to verse: it might be better and can’t be worse.

terdon

@tchrist Speak for yourself.

tchrist

If my lines no longer scan I’ll have to seek a better plan.

Cerberus

@terdon You need to work on your vocative!

tchrist

I’m done with playing whackamole, it’s time to plumb the rabbit’s hole.

Cerberus

4:56 PM

@terdon I cannot defend that bit.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Right, right.

You're handicapping yourself quite a bit!

@tchrist Is it working yet?

terdon

@Cerberus Work on it? I wasn't even trying! My wit extended only to making your name rhyme with Brutus's. No more.

Cerberus

Well, it is Brute, not Brutus.

And besides in was not his name that was used, but "son".

And, besides, Caesar said it in....wait for it...Greek!

terdon

@Cerberus Oh, well. There I go, demonstrating my ignorance again.

@Cerberus He what? Really?

Cerberus

He did.

At least according to Suetonius, he said: kai su, teknon.

He is, I believe, our only Ancient source claiming that he said anything.

terdon

Huh. So Shakey made that up did'e?

Cerberus

5:02 PM

So he may very well have said nothing, but tradition says it is kai su, teknon.

Yes.

terdon

Can't call you son though, we're basically the same age.

Cerberus

Well, teknon you can call me.

After all, I was born, was I not?

terdon

True but very literal.

Cerberus

Uhuh.

Robusto

@Cerberus Well, but he was writing ~150 years after the event in question.

Cerberus

5:10 PM

Yup, maybe he said nothing, as Plutarch writes.

Robusto

If I could use time travel for one thing, I think I would go back and see if I could prevent the Library of Alexandria from burning down.

Or at least back it all up onto a flash drive.

The entire library in digital form would have fit on a thumb drive.

Cerberus

@Robusto I might do the same thing!!

It was probably plundered and damaged several times over the centuries.

Robusto

5:34 PM

Yeah. But it would make a fun idea for a sci-fi/historical novel.

terdon

@Robusto Yeah, and then you get back to our time only to find that the EM field generated by the wormhole fried the pendrive.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto Your digital camera or scanner would run out of power or break down in the dust before you could scan it all

Robusto

5:51 PM

@terdon I don't want to live in a world where time travel would fry your thumb drive.

Mitch

@terdon bury your flashdrives out in the desert (desert then and now so people won't be expected to dig there), and pick them up when you return.

Robusto

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 So we've solved time travel and still can't make a long-lasting battery?

Mitch

@Robusto think of wormholes as a lotech way to microwave hotpockets.

Robusto

If you have wormholes in your hotpockets I don't think time travel would be your biggest problem.

Mitch

What's worse than finding a wormhole in your hotpocket? Finding half a wormhole in your hotpocket.

Robusto

5:54 PM

I saw that one coming. Like, hundreds of years before you were born.

Anyways, gotta commute while the commutin' is good.

Mitch

The worse thing about timetravel is meeting your older self and realizing, holy crap, that guy doesn't look so good.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto your electronic devices will waste their power trying to get a cell signal

Mitch

@Robusto Watch out for potholes in your wormholes!

@Robusto If I don't laugh at a joke it's because I've laughed well ahead of time in anticipation.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

6:07 PM

Amazon product review of a lego kit

> Pieces too small and very hard to put together. We threw it in the trash. Buyer beware. Have a good weekend.

Lyle's Mug

6:50 PM

I just asked a really short question, please let me know what I can do to make the question better for the community here

0

Q: How do you denote written slang?

I want to use the slang term to make the sentence rhyme, but want it known that I know how to spell correctly. example: Tennessee is where I wanna be.

grammar pronunciation-vs-spelling

Robusto

8:00 PM

I wish our git repository didn't try to be "helpful" by giving times as "36 minutes ago" or "7 hours ago." That isn't helpful in general, except to people who can't do mental math, and specifically because if you leave a page open for a time all that information becomes obsolete. Whereas putting a real date/time stamp on something never goes out of, well, date.

tchrist

Minnesota Gov. Mark Dayton issued an executive order Wednesday to restore the two small pronunciation marks above the 'o' on the sign outside of Lindström. The dots were removed from the city limit signs recently due to changing federal guidance for signage.

Washington also hates Cañon City, Colorado.

Denver refuses to recognize Washington in this.

For one thing, if you MUST respell Cañon, it must be Canyon not *Canon.

But mostly we just don’t want to put up with idiots trying to tell somebody else what they are allowed to call themselves.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

8:28 PM

is it two punctuation marks, or one punctuation mark with two parts?

I've never heard anyone describe the :, ;, ?, or ! as "two marks"

tchrist

Yes, well.

crl

9:04 PM

I'm often tempted to write !, or ?,

Johan Larsson

9:47 PM

@Robusto where do you see that?

Cerberus

11:05 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You're right.

@tchrist Gosh, I never realised canyon was a rendering of cañon!

I thought it was some Indian word.

tchrist

11:20 PM

@Cerberus Which one?

Cerberus

Canyon.

What else?

tchrist

@RegDwigнt I see that your next badge is Illuminator. Let me know how that’s working out for you.

@Cerberus Canyon is just the English spelling of Spanish cañón. Did you not know that?

Cerberus

15 mins ago, by Cerberus

@tchrist Gosh, I never realised canyon was a rendering of cañon!

I don't see how I could have expressed myself more clearly.

tchrist

Acutely.

Acutelyly.

We also have piñon jays. Guess the other way to spell their name? :)

Answer: Gymnorhinus cyanocephalus.

Of course, you won’t know what it means spelled that way. It’s in a furry language.

Blue-headed girlnose, or girl-headed bluenose, or something like that.

Blueheaded nosegirl.

Noseheaded bluegirl.

They’ll eat all your pine nuts if you let them.

Cerberus

It should be bare-nosed blue-head.

A gymnasium is where you are naked.

tchrist

11:27 PM

As in gymnosperm.

Nekkid seed.

Cerberus

As in gymnosperm.

Ferns?

Mosses?

tchrist

Pines.

Cerberus

Oh, those.

tchrist

Lots of things are not angiosperms.

Cerberus

Piña nuda.

What did you do to my s's?

That's GFS Bodoni Rg.

tchrist

11:32 PM

Cubbies?

For angion?

Something else.

Streptophyta

Streptophyta or Streptophytina, informally the streptophytes, is an unranked clade of plants. The composition of the clade varies considerably between authors. One common definition includes the land plants, the embryophytes (bryophytes and vascular plants) and the green algal group Charophyta, which includes the Mesostigmatales, Chlorokybales, Klebsormidiales, Zygnematales, Coleochaetales and Charales. Other authors place the streptophytes within the charophytes rather than vice versa. == Classifications == The composition of the Streptophyta and similar groups (Streptophytina, Anthocerotophyta...

So gymnosperms are mainly conifers, angiosperms flowering plants. Moss are briophytes. Ferns are monilophytes / pteridophytes.

Liverworts are marchantiophytes, hornworts are antheocerotophytes, horsetails are also pteridophytes just like ferns. The fancy name for conifers is pinophytes. It is somewhat muddled.

There upon a time were seed-bearing ferns, not just spore-bearing ones. Those were pteridospermatophytes, but they’re pushin’ up daisies now.

*bryophytes

Which was a spelling mistakes. However, for some of these, they’ve moved them around since I was a lad.

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