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12:18 AM

Hi, I remember someone told me about xdotool probably in a reply to my question. (if not, in the chatroom). How can I do a search to find it out? is it possible to use my userid and keyword "xdotool" to do the query? Thanks

12:31 AM

Do you know what user suggested it?

because otherwise it is quite a bit harder..

sorry, I don't remember.

hmm.

Is it possible to do a query given teh question is asked by me, and a reply contains some keyword?

I suppose I could write a script to do it, but AJAX and APIs aren't my speciality, so no promises.

do you mean a script run in data.stackexchange.com?

12:34 AM

@Tim It's easy enough to search if you know the user.. I'm not sure about all questions by a user though. Lemme see if someone's already done it.

@Tim no I was thinking directly off the SE API. I'm even worse at SQL!

What role does AJAX play here with SE API?

nope I don't see anything on data.se

@Tim Oh I was thinking I might have to use it to retrieve API info.. I'm not really sure at this point.

Thanks. Can xdotool automate the following task in in Firefox: "clicking a link in a page -> Ctrl-s to save the new page completely with a distinct and ordered name -> clicking a link in the new page -> Ctrl-s to save the newer page completely with a distinct and ordered name -> ..."

or shall I ask on the main site?

12:51 AM

@Tim If you can get away with a set of mouse coordinates than yes.

But I think it would make a good question for the main site.

what do you mean by "get away with a set of mouse coordinates"?

After clicking a link and go to the new page, I don't need to move my mouse for clicking the next link

@Tim I mean if the link is always in the same place on the screen.

xdotool is dumb. It can move the mouse, but only based on x,y coordinates.

Would it be possible to automatically rename each page for saving them in the same directory to avoid overwritting, and also the name order represents the time order in which they are saved?

@Tim Something like "pageX" should be really easy, yes.

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11:18 AM

Is there a reference explaining when the files in /etc/*.d/ are read?

11:45 AM

@Tim Do you remember on what site it was? (SE, U&L?)

maybe U&L, (if not, ubuntu; if not, superuser). If not on the main site, then in the chat room. If not addressing my question, then someone else's. @Fabby

:D That's a pretty broad search! Sorry, but as each site has its own SQL server from an infrastructure POV, I'm not even going to try... (different user IDs, ...)

most likely U&L, a reply to my question. :D

12:32 PM

hello, Terdon

please consider looking over my edited answers:

unix.stackexchange.com/questions/161745/…

unix.stackexchange.com/questions/195079/…

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3:54 PM

@Tim I vaguely recall it being here in chat...

Apr 1 at 1:47, by Gilles

@derobert or xdotool windowmap gnome-terminal

... that says @derobert, but it's actually mostly to you. Look at the bit of history before it.

Does anyone notice that @mikeserv was suspended?

4:16 PM

@cuonglm what, again?

@FaheemMitha: I don't know, access his profile show suspension

@cuonglm huh

I'm curious about the reason

@cuonglm Hmm. He's had some interpersonal conflicts with gilles in the past.

Oh, I know that

But I think both of them have solved the conflcts

4:23 PM

@cuonglm might be something else. dunno.

And no, I don't think it has been "solved". Gilles doesn't want him commenting on his answers etc, but my understanding is that he does it anyway.

@derobert So, we are coming up to a new Debian release. Do you have your parties planned?

:-)

@FaheemMitha No, I've never had a release party.

4:39 PM

@derobert Time to start a new tradition? I wasn't suggesting you have your own party - you could go to one that is already planned.

Hmmmm, not sure if the Debian DC group has planned one or not. Haven't seem them in a while.

Unpacking replacement libxrender1:i386 ...
Preparing to replace libxrender1:amd64 1:0.9.7-1+deb7u1 (using .../libxrender1_1%3a0.9.7-1+deb7u1+b1_amd64.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement libxrender1:amd64 ...
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libxrender1_1%3a0.9.7-1+deb7u1+b1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
 trying to overwrite shared '/usr/share/doc/libxrender1/changelog.Debian.gz', which is different from other instances of package libxrender1:amd64
Errors were encountered while processing:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/libxrender1_1%3a0.9.7-1+deb7u1+b1_amd64.deb

.... lovely security upgrade this morning :-(

@derobert How about something a little closer to home? Even Bombay has one planned. :-)

@FaheemMitha DC is the closest big city.

Surely VA will not be behind?

@derobert Well, Ok. So small cities can't have release parties?

@derobert This is jessie? Great ad for upgrading.

That's wheezy

4:42 PM

@derobert Oh, I didn't see anything.

You need both the 32-bit and 64-bit versions installed for that to happen

Ah, now I'm seeing it. Yay.

Preparing to replace libxrender-dev:amd64 1:0.9.7-1+deb7u1 (using .../libxrender-dev_1%3a0.9.7-1+deb7u1+b1_amd64.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement libxrender-dev:amd64 ...
Preparing to replace libxrender1:i386 1:0.9.7-1+deb7u1 (using .../libxrender1_1%3a0.9.7-1+deb7u1+b1_i386.deb) ...
De-configuring libxrender1:amd64 ...
Unpacking replacement libxrender1:i386 ...
Preparing to replace libxrender1:amd64 1:0.9.7-1+deb7u1 (using .../libxrender1_1%3a0.9.7-1+deb7u1+b1_amd64.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement libxrender1:amd64 ...

wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartyJessie seems to say the closest isn't DC, it's Sweden or Greece.

@derobert I know you already posted that, but I just felt like experiencing some cross-continental togetherness. :-)

@derobert That would be a bit of a trip.

@derobert suggestions for a fix for that breakage?

@FaheemMitha haven't looked into it yet. Probably the fix is for the security team and/or maintainer to fix it. Workaround is likely a --force option

4:48 PM

@derobert I hate --force options.

ah, well, that explains it. The changelog entry:

libxrender (1:0.9.7-1+deb7u1+b1) wheezy-security; urgency=low, binary-only=yes

  * Binary-only non-maintainer upload for i386; no source changes.
  * Rebuild against fixed libx11 for DSA 3224

 -- amd64 / i386 Build Daemon (x86-grnet-01) <buildd_amd64-x86-grnet-01@buildd.debian.org>  Tue, 14 May 2013 19:28:26 +0200

... which is going to be, unsurprisingly different on amd64

bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=782505 ... and already reported.

Joy. Now I get to go run a dpkg -i --force-overwrite on a bunch of machines to fix (work around) it.

@derobert yes, I see. Are you going to go with the --force option or revert? I think I'll go with revert.

@derobert you can't just revert it. Someone had a recipe in the bug. Looks a bit complicated.

trying to find the DSA first, to see what the actual security bug was

Wonder how this slipped past. Shouldn't the autobuilders have caught this? Or is this a bad multiarch interaction?

@derobert ok

bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56508 ... fun. So I'm guessing the security team gets to rebuild a lot of packages for that one.

lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2015/msg00112.html

5:05 PM

I'm puzzled. This looks like it was discovered in 2012.

And fixed in 2013. No idea why the DSA is only now...

Quite.

5:17 PM

@derobert I did the

sudo dpkg --path-exclude=/usr/share/doc/libxrender1/changelog.Debian.gz -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libxrender1_1%3a0.9.7-1+deb7u1_i386.deb

thing. I didn't even know there was a --path-exclude option to dpkg.

Seems to have worked.

I'd forgotten about that option too. Just trying to figure out if I want to do something like that, or just remove the README from the deb, up the version, and push it to our internal repo

Or just wait for them to fix it...

@derobert that might be an option.

Removing the README and upping the version will prevent an accidental upgrade and recurrence of the problem.

But the fix will presumably be out soon, so one could just wait...

5:46 PM

Oh joy. The Comcast connection at the office has just gone Comcastic.

@derobert I assume that is a euphemism.

6:00 PM

@FaheemMitha At one point Comcast decided to use 'Comcastic' as a marketing slogan.

Somehow they thought it'd be a positive term.

Of course, everyone else decided it is decidedly negative.

@derobert It doesn't sound terribly positive, actually.

352/265 packets, 24% loss, min/avg/ewma/max = 24.899/317.526/273.202/4285.823 ms ← less Comcastic than before! Half as many packets lost now!

@derobert Hooray?

Thankfully we have a backup Internet connection.

@derobert Is this at work?

6:18 PM

@FaheemMitha Yep.

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8:53 PM

@derobert so, you looking forward to the release, or is it meh, another release <yawn>?

It means I'll have more upgrades to do :-(

Some crazy kid who wants to be SO mod.

Raghav Sood, New Delhi, India

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Crazy Indian kid.

I feel like telling kids like that - go out, get some sunlight, chase some girls. You'll be old before you know it.

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edward torvalds

hey guys can brasero be used to make windows8's bootable DVD ?

... even crazier?

8:58 PM

@derobert how so?

@edwardtorvalds I don't see why not.

It just burns the image you give it.

edward torvalds

ok thanks

i mean will it make boot loader also?

Oh, you mean because he is 15?

@FaheemMitha yeah, and has written his platform as "I'm not qualified..."

@edwardtorvalds Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean.

edward torvalds

will brasero make grub/boot loader of windows or just simply copy the contents of iso?

9:00 PM

@derobert I think he is trying to be humble. That is sometimes the Indian (and Chinese) way. If he actually means it, one would have to wonder why he is standing.

edward torvalds

actually i want iso burned urgently and its4.7GB file will take llong tme to burn on dvd : /

hmmm, they've taken rep off that page. How am I supposed to know who to vote for now? (just kidding)...

@edwardtorvalds Sorry, I don't think I know enough to say anything helpful. Probably it will work for you. Why not try it and see. Are you saying you are burning a Windows 8 installation disk?

Actually, I'm not voting there because, well, I'm not active enough on SO to know anything about those folks, or much about what issues SO is currently facing.

edward torvalds

yes

9:02 PM

@derobert I know Peters, and upvoted him. No idea who the others are.

@derobert Sounds reasonable.

@edwardtorvalds if you have an iso, you generally just want that put on the DVD bit-for-bit.

edward torvalds

yes and it taks a long time to burn

@edwardtorvalds Ok, I think Brasero will produce a usable disk for you. I'd just try it and see. If it doesn't work, you can reconsider and regroup.

@edwardtorvalds Oh, how long?

edward torvalds

so was hoping you can give me a sure answer

it is burning around 2mbps

@edwardtorvalds well, Anthony thinks it will work, and he is generally right.

edward torvalds

9:03 PM

size is 4.3gb

Close to 100% in my experience, really.

edward torvalds

ok

thanks

I don't think my attempt at humor was appreciated.

Wait two weeks and install Debian jessie instead. :-) — Faheem Mitha 10 mins ago

@edwardtorvalds something is wrong there. A DVD burn should go faster than that.

Unless you have a really ancient DVD burner.

Also, I'd suggest verifying the burn (which will unfortunately also likely take a really long time). The Windows installer will not be happy if it can't read some random sector on the disc.

I had a really nice Plextor burner once. I miss it.

There are a surprisingly large number of Indians among the applicants for SO mod.

@derobert I remember my first unaided Linux installation. In 1999. It was quite thrilling.

9:18 PM

I don't remember mine... Though it was probably only a year or two before yours.

@derobert My first Linux installation period was in 1998. But I had help with that. I had a friend visiting from the UK.

I had no (in-person) help on my first one. Took a week to download the ISO, burnt it, and then somehow managed.

Funny story. The friend used Debian at the time, but we couldn't get hold of a DVD burner to burn Debian version whatever to a CD. :-) So we wound up buying Red Hat 5.1 at Best Buy or something, and installing that instead.

That should have been CD burner, I guess.

@derobert a week? Must have been a slow connection.

@FaheemMitha Yep. Dialup modem.

Only at night, when no one else was using the phone.

@derobert I see. I remember those.

9:35 PM

@FaheemMitha do you know if the Jessie installer can install wheezy? Not sure, but if it can, that might work for unix.stackexchange.com/questions/196027/…

@derobert No idea, but I don't see why it would.

@derobert he could just use the jessie installer to install a jessie snapshot.

I seem to recall if you run it on priority low it'll ask what you want to install, and stable is an option. But I don't have time to test that now...

@derobert Oh, really? Interesting.

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