Yeah it is a forgery. The new edition took it out cmpletey nitei gavriel says so. But there is still the tashbatz

@Nafkamina which Tashbetz?

I guess on purim but I don't have it with me now. But look at the Rema who bases his yarbeh bseudah ktsas on this tashbetz

You probably know this but the Tashbetz is a book of responsa. He does have a tshuva regarding the sueda of purim חלק ג סימן חצר. i dont think it is relevant to drinking at night. What did you hear in the name of Tashbetz?

in a sefer called chayav inish libesumei who qoutes the tashbetz to say that there may be in inyan to drink at night just like we read the megilla at night

@Nafkamina He doesnt say where it is? I can say with a fair amount of certainty that it isnt in the responsa. Also in all of the discussion on the topic i have never seen it quoted. Highly shady. Even if it were in Zohar Harakiya (his sefer hamitzvos) I would think I would know it. Best of luck finding it.

@Nafkamina BTW I also know that it isnt in contemporary editions, but does NG provide any evidence it is a forgery?

I don't have the sefer with me. I don't remember the NG bringing a proof I think he bases it on the absurdity of the machzor vitri.

@Nafkamina Not the greatest argument: The Seder Hayom, and M'chir Yayin are also absurd, but not to my knowledge forgeries. The legend of R' Salanter in Emek Bracha is even stranger as it pretty much contradicts an explicit gemara.

Its a white sefer I found randomly in a beis medrash near where I live (e'y)

But it was an entire sefer with all the mekoros on drinking on purim

@Nafkamina is that "eretz yisrael"?

Yup

If you live near Sanhedria Murchevet and you go to the Yeshiva Toras Moshe you will find that many bachurim posses a kuntres on the topic entitled Shsiya kadas that has many, many, many sources. (Dozens of Rishonim and more). If you are interested I suggest you check it out.

Well I found this sefer at chafetz chaim over there

Who wrote shsiya kdass

A bachur who did his research. most sources are quoted in full so even if it was written by a monkey it is still useful.

Ok wonderful. Isn't the remah qouting the tashbetz? Marbeh bseudah ktsas?

If I recall that was the Sefer Haminhagim (Tirna perhaps). Even if it is a tashbetz that doesnt mean to drink necessarily.

Coupd be but.I think in the context of purim its assumed bseudah means some accompanment of drinking. Maybe not ad delo yada but still drinkig

I checked its a tshuva of Mahari Brona.

Where is this Rema I cant find it

Begining of OCH 695

Bli neder when I get a chance ill find the mekor and get hack to you. Right I'm home sick and am limited to whet I have at home as well as a memory on cold medicine

@Nafkamina Refua Shleima. I would greatly appreciate any and all sources on this prat and the whole sugya. Regarding equating simcha with drinking note that the nighttime meal doesnt seem to be a formal institution but rather a nice minhag that developed (we dont find it in the Rambam). Thus as it is not a formal thing, the "din" wouldnt automatically apply. there is no readon to assume it means anything different from simcha any other time e.g. yom tov.

@mevaqesh @DoubleAA amen.

Good question vis a vis drinking and simcha I guess it extends to that famous sugta if bzman hazeh we say win simcha elah bbasar uyayin. Although that's by yom Tov. Tzarich iyun if there is a chiyuv of simcha on purim the emek bracha discusses this

Have been sick the last week that's why my mi yodeya activity hes been on hyper drive

I know the EB but his approach isnt present in Rishonim and on the contrary they dispute it. He assumes ad dlo yada= mishte v'simcha of dozens of early sources I haven't found rishon to even insinuate this. Some like Maharil write the opposite explicitly.