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2:00 PM
now at least it's in the top corner
 
Let's see how you feel about it after you keep dismissing it every 20 minutes.
 
I hope we don't get bad tags every 20 minutes :(
 
@MattЭллен i hope so, too
 
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@GraceNote Well, that isn't too bad really.
 
@MattЭллен It doesn't have to be 20 minutes of real time, as long as the frequency makes it feel like it's every 20 minutes.
 
2:03 PM
@GraceNote Aye, we'll see. I'm hoping Reg is amenable to turning it off if everyone hates it
it will be fun today, to see people's reactions :)
 
I actually kinda hope it won't be intolerable.
Though I also kinda wish that people could opt out of ticker feeds.
 
i suggested it because it seemed like a good idea
 
I think it will be fine
 
You can (semi) opt out of in-chat feeds, but not ticker feeds.
 
2:05 PM
Hey, some people manage to opt out of the entire site.
Including feeds!
 
Actually, it might be possible to opt out of tickers. I haven't actually tried it.
 
Feeds? Who what where when why how?
 
hi @Martha :)
 
@MattЭллен Greetings!
 
2:07 PM
we're trialling feeding bad tags to Cerberus
 
@Marthaª you'll see soon enough, when they come to eat you
 
But you're using -2, so I'm not really inclined to test it with this.
 
So, questions tagged with bad tags get fed into the room for him to ruminate on
 
@JSBᾶngs That's what I'm afraid of.
Hmm. Dupe, I think, but too lazy to find of what:
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Q: Canceling or Cancelling?

Scorpi0I'm confuse about the two spelling. In which context do I have to use Canceling? And Cancelling? Google returns 15.6 millions results with Canceling and 18 millions with Cancelling, so I don't know what is the good spelling. Why the two are possible, and is there other words of the same style?

 
@Marthaª it's also gen ref
 
2:11 PM
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Q: When is "L" doubled?

Mehper C. PalavuzlarSome verbs can have double "l"s in the gerund form. For example: Modeling; modelling Traveling; travelling Which form should we use, or which form is used more in the literature?

 
voted as dup
 
Okay, so a new question got posted on meta.
Where's the popup?
Well, there it is, but it's not meta's, it's @JSBᾶngs'es.
 
maybe the meta feed is slower
 
Serves him right for voting to close but not removing the grammer tag.
 
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@RegDwightѬſ道 I would thing it is "JSBangs's" instead.
 
2:20 PM
@Jasper lol ur rite
 
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@RegDwightѬſ道 You have not laughed for a while.
 
I will laugh maniacally for the rest of the day. Then we'll see.
 
Meta feed takes a while
 
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I have not cried much for a while. That is because I have cried till I have not many tears left.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 it does serve me right. dang. i just retagged.
 
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2:25 PM
@RegDwightѬſ道 grammar
 
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The owl is getting a little rusty.
 
No, the Jasper is getting completely whoooshy.
Aug 23 at 22:38, by RegDwight Ѭſ道
@JasperLoy I am not saying that I am not linking to the Wikipedia article on joke again again.
The day on which I misspell "grammar" not on purpose is scheduled way after the Mayan destruction of the world.
Another feed...
Ah! That's the meta one.
 
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@RegDwightѬſ道 That's 2012.
 
2:32 PM
@RegDwightѬſ道 So um, this time next year?
 
if it's only one Q at a time, i find these popups extremely non-annoying
 
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@Kitḫ I beat you to that.
 
@Jasper If we were racing and you actually said the same thing, then yes, but as it is, no.
 
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@JSBᾶngs This sentence is a little convoluted.
 
@Kitḫ My point is, it won't be on ELU.
You'll have to follow me to the afterworld. Where spelling will be the least of your concerns.
 
2:34 PM
@JSBᾶngs Even if it isn't one at a time, it'll still only be one popup at a time.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 May I stroke your soft feathers? You please me so.
 
I am here to be stroken.
 
@GraceNote I take it you dislike the popup?
 
@MattЭллен No, just that in a sense, the number of questions isn't too damaging on the ticker in comparison to the in-chat feed.
 
user19161
@Kitḫ No flirting in chat.
 
2:36 PM
@Jasper Did you fail to not be confused by my lack of unclear non-negation?
 
user19161
@RegDwightѬſ道 No flirting in chat.
 
It takes maybe 4-5 questions on the ticker to equal the size of one in-chat feed post.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 strokes soft feathers Nice owl. makes owl-y noises
 
@Jasper Hahahahahah. That from you! Best joke evar!
 
@GraceNote I see
 
2:37 PM
@Reg Want a vole? Mmm? A tasty treat?
 
@Kitḫ I'm working on a tasty logo right now, so lemme finish that one off first.
 
OK.
 
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@kit Your avatar looks very scary I must say.
 
@Jasper Valkyries are scary.
 
Pishposh
 
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2:44 PM
I hope my Mariah brightens your day.
 
Oh, my day is shining lovely bright already, but thank you.
@GraceNote ;)
Must be just me then.
 
user19161
For those who don't know the first post is up.
 
@Jasper LOL. LOVE IT.
 
user19161
@JSBᾶngs Ya, you should thank @Matt for the first post. He has made history!
 
2:55 PM
I think... the blog admin post should probably be nuked, neh?
 
congrats to @Matt
 
thanks guys :D blush you're too kind
 
user19161
@MattЭллен wonders if Matt is really blushing thousands of kilometres away
 
user19161
@GraceNote Hmm, but the info there is still relevant.
 
Not to the general populace, it ain't
 
user19161
2:59 PM
@GraceNote OK, as you see fit then, great one.
 
Don't really need to call me "great one"
Like, ever.
 
Okay, tiny one.
 
mmmm, Rooibos tea. yes, you'll do well this morning
 
Morning?
 
it's 10am here
 
3:05 PM
You've been up for like hours.
 
and therefore everywhere. i disbelieve in time zones.
@RegDwightѬſ道 but i haven't drunk any tea yet
 
A common mistake. Thankfully, fixable.
 
user19161
@JSBᾶngs Ah, I like tea too, as you know.
 
user19161
Strangely, I have not had any today.
 
@Jasper You misspelled "thee".
 
user19161
3:06 PM
@RegDwightѬſ道 True, but only partially, since I have no idea of the Rooibos variety.
 
good news, everybody! the tea crisis has been averted.
it's now hot and delicious on my desk
 
If everyone averts just one crisis today, our future will be so shiny you have no idea.
 
i'm a parent of two children under 4. i avert, like, a dozen crises every day. i'll bet @Kit would say the same.
 
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@RegDwightѬſ道 I can only imagine.
 
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3:12 PM
Not your song, Mariah.
 
user19161
 
I was thinking more along the lines of "You're so called", but okay.
I guess this one fits the bill for today.
Aug 16 at 9:53, by RegDwight Ѭſ道
Who knows what miracles you can achieve / When you believe.
Except, of course...
Mar 27 at 2:27, by RegDwight
@Cerberus I don't believe in miracles, don't believe in truth, I don't believe that anything can recreate your youth.
 
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@RegDwightѬſ道 It's even in my profile.
 
none. you can achieve none.
 
@MattЭллен Hello Vitaly, nice to see you here. Now leave Matt's keyboard alone.
 
3:16 PM
:D
 
user19161
@MattЭллен You know what he is talking about?
 
@Matt I love the blog post!
 
@Jasper I'm guessing Vitaly is bitter? Doesn't believe in miracles? I don't know exactly
 
@Vitaly doesn't believe in believing.
 
@aediaλ thanks :) I'm getting good feedback! I guess I'll have to do another!
 
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3:21 PM
@RegDwightѬſ道 Perhaps a life crisis will change him.
 
That's nothing to wish upon anyone.
 
user19161
@MattЭллен Ya, that's how they trick you.
 
oh noes! I've been tricked. More fool me
 
user19161
@RegDwightѬſ道 Initially I thought that was Vitaly's typing style.
 
user19161
@MattЭллен A fool is what I am, though the same may be said of you. We are the fools on ELU!
 
3:24 PM
Indeed
 
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Blessed are those who believe, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
 
I've averted a crisis today too! And drunk some tea! And I'm ALWAYS shiny!
I'm so shiny, they call me "Mister". Or, well, I do, at any rate.
 
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For without faith, it is impossible to please God.
 
user19161
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Yes, tea is good, though bucketwise is not wise.
 
unless God starts pleasing me, I'm gonna ignore him
 
3:26 PM
It's tough to be a god.
 
user19161
It's tougher to be God.
 
Anyone here ever watch "Mr. Deity"?
 
user19161
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Never even heard of it.
 
worthless omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient deity. If I achieve something it's my doing. If I mess up it's my doing. No point believing in something that can't help you.
 
3:28 PM
@Jasper It's on youtube, it's basically a spoof about god.
 
Vitaly! Quit it!
 
or, "God" if you will.
 
user19161
@MattЭллен I wouldn't say everything is our doing. Yes we play a part but there are many things beyond our control too.
 
user19161
That's why we have life crises.
 
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That's why we have Mariah.
 
3:30 PM
@Jasper that's true. still no reason to believe in god
anyway! I'm meant to be a fool. Why am I being so dower?
 
@MattЭллен Does arguing with believers ever get you anywhere? It doesn't get me anywhere.
 
user19161
@MrShinyandNew安宇 I was under the impression that you were a church worker of some kind.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 It's gotten me nowhere. I don't think of it as arguing, merely drowning them out.
 
user19161
But anyway for the record, I have no official religion.
 
dons tricorn with bells on
does a little dance
makes fun of the king
 
3:34 PM
@Jasper nope.
I am a software developer.
 
@MattЭллен When you were widowed, you weren't left with enough?
 
When I was a child/teenager I was an altar-server in my church though. It was a way to pass the time.
 
@aediaλ bah. I just looked it up. :p I was widowed by a poor man, with no money or property, just the smile on his face
I guess that's why I'm so dour
 
user19161
Yay, I now have 7500 views for my ELU profile!
 
user19161
Mariah is doing a great job inspiring people with her message.
 
3:38 PM
is her message "free beer and a burger"?
that would inspire a lot of people
 
user19161
@MattЭллен Nope. It is "There can be miracles when you believe".
 
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@MattЭллен I would take the burger but I prefer wine to beer, though Reg would love vodka bucketwise, which is not wise to Mr Shiny.
 
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Q: Meaning of "angry letter"?

TimI wonder what "angry letter" is? When do people write angry letters? For writing to some authority for complaint, or just writing to oneself for vent of anger, or something else? Thanks!

 
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@RegDwightѬſ道 LOL!
 
3:41 PM
I don't mean to be a nark, but...
 
Jun 21 at 11:59, by RegDwight
I am still waiting for "what's the meaning of 'meaning'" and "what's the etymology of 'etymology'".
 
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@RegDwightѬſ道 Ah I remember this one, but I must say that the first is actually a very deep philosophical question while the second is a trivial historical one.
 
@Jasper what the hell, how do you get thrice the views I have?
 
@Jasper Hi! Which question is deeply philosophical?
 
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@RegDwightѬſ道 This is what I have been wondering and trying to figure out. I can think of some reasons, details omitted.
 
3:44 PM
@Jasper Well, stop spamming it on the FB homepage.
 
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@Cerberus Use the left arrow.
 
I have 700 views!
 
ITS OVER 9000
 
Almost, yes.
 
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@cerb Oh ya, genesis asked about "level out" again just now and I said I agree with you o great one.
 
3:49 PM
Good!
I am honoured.
 
@Jasper You misspelled "encouraging people to click through to my profile".
 
@GraceNote: has the algorithm for the FAQ tab changed? I see only crap there.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 I do not know
 
Mkay...
 
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Yay, I closed the "angry letter" question!!!
 
3:55 PM
woohoo
one down
 
It used to have actual FAQs. A vs an, Oxford comma, collective nouns in AE vs BE... Now it's "Plural of 'learning'", "What would you call a person who farts a lot?", and "Just how offensive are the terms 'retarded' and 'gay'?"
I mean, come on!
 
Yeah, that is how it should work
 
I asks all of those questions everyday
"Questions with the most links" - interesting
 
user19161
@MattЭллен ask
 
@MattЭллен are they perhaps counting external links? i can see how some really stupid question would be linked often from elsewhere on the internets
everyone knows that internet people are stoopid
 
3:58 PM
@JSBᾶngs I think they mean inter-question links
 
Well, that's how it used to be, yes.
 
I believe it was inter-question links, aye
 
but that wouldn't make sense
because they don't have that many
 
But obviously something has been changed.
This is like MultiCollider on drugs.
Cause it's permanent.
On the MC, when a rubbish question floats to the top, it also floats down after a few hours.
 
user19161
Thursagen just got suspended again. I noticed!
 
4:00 PM
In the tab, this rubbish stays up forever until they change the algo again.
 
user19161
What, T is suspended for three years! I might be dead by then.
 
see you lovely people later
 
CU Vitaly Matt.
 
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@MattЭллен See you!
 
user19161
@RegDwightѬſ道 Have you heard of eraser or correction fluid?
 
4:03 PM
@Jasper My correction fluid is all over my monitor, but is it all over yours?
 
Bye @Matt!
@Jasper Yay!
Any idea what prompted it?
 
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@Cerberus Er, to my death?
 
Poor guy.
 
Wait, what? He says "I might be dead by then" and you say "Yay!"??? ಠ_ಠ
 
@Jasper Think. You can do it.
 
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4:04 PM
@Cerberus Ah, so I tell you to use the left arrow and you tell me to think, very interesting!
 
He has invested so much time on this site... I almost feel bad for him, though I am still glad he is gone.
@Jasper I replied with joke to joke...
 
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@Cerberus Yes, I am not stupid.
 
Now everybody cool down.
 
No one saying "cool down" ♪
 
Yo, I saw in a meta Q about some issue with Kosmonaut that was not resolved amicably. Can anyone fill me in on that?
 
4:06 PM
ARgh
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 The "Jeff comes to English" debacle.
 
Nooo not that.
 
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@MrShinyandNew安宇 Not again!
 
I always get mad when I think back about it, so I will remain silent.
 
Jul 14 at 18:10, by nohat
I'm guessing this has something to do with this meta question about questions about jokes
 
4:07 PM
I was sure you were present for that.
 
Start reading there.
 
Yeah just read the meta question.
I gave poor Rebecca a bit of a hard time when she brought up Jeff's "apology", my bad.
I know she didn't have anything to do with the issue.
pulls back cuffs, yanks, changes topic There.
 
We don't really get that kind of a comprehensive vibe.
 
A comprehensive vibe?
 
Robusto's tone didn't help either, but that's a subject we're past now, neh?
 
4:09 PM
Only incomprehensive vibes allowed in this room, sorry.
 
@GraceNote Yup it's past! I don't think anybody's tone helped. Mine least of all.
 
You weren't even around. You were in France.
 
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I was not involved in the Kosmo incident at all.
 
Now can we please change the subject?
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 True, thank God. But afterwards.
 
4:12 PM
If Mr. Shiny has follow-up questions, let him ask.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 I already changed it!
 
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@Cerberus I didn't know you are so religious!
 
3 mins ago, by Cerberus
pulls back cuffs, yanks, changes topic There.
@Jasper Amen!
 
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@Cerberus Hallelujah!
 
Does anyone have any idea why my bread doesn't turn out as airy as I want it?
It is a bit brick-like.
It's still quite good when fresh; but I really like airy, light bread, not heavy bread.
 
4:15 PM
@Cerb i have the same problem. maybe let the dough rise more? but i haven't found a good solution myself
 
Ok, I guess it's somewhat clear though the actual conversations mentioned in the chat log and meta seem to be gone, or maybe i didn't see them. Still, it's annoying. My curiosity is satisfied.
@Cerberus Do you have enough yeast? Does your flour have enough gluten?
(or too much gluten?)
 
@JSBᾶngs It seems more yeast won't help. I am having it go through two rising cycles already. I heard that so called bread enhancer might help, or extra gluten.
 
@Reg, apropos of nothing, is there a Slavic word that you know which is the likely source of Romanian hrib (a kind of wild mushroom)?
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 I suppose I could try adding extra gluten (I am using regual flour now).
 
@JSBᾶngs How about гриб, meaning... mushroom?
Грибы́ ( или ) — царство живой природы, объединяющее эукариотические организмы, сочетающие в себе некоторые признаки, как растений, так и животных. Грибы изучает наука микология, которая считается разделом ботаники, поскольку ранее грибы относили к царству растений. Понятие о грибах как об отдельном царстве сформировалось в науке к 1970-м годам, хотя выделить это царство предлагал ещё Э. Фрис в 1831 году, а Карл Линней высказывал сомнения, размещая грибы в царстве растений в своей «Системе природы». Во второй половине XX века окончательно сформировалось и представление о полифилетизме г...
 
4:19 PM
@Cerberus More yeast might help, or a different kind of yeast.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 that's probably it. but the correspondence g ~ h is unexpected... unless the ultimate source is actually Greek?
 
@JSBᾶngs g ~ h is totally expected.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 not for Romanian. Ro /h/ never reflexes Latin or Greek /h/, but usually Slavic /x/
 
Lots of Hs are transliterated as Gs in Russian.
@JSBᾶngs Check out Ukrainian, then, which is closer to Romania and in which г is pronounced as [ɦ].
 
if we posit a Greek rhibos, and assume that the inital R was devoiced and then interpreted as a cluster in an early borrowing into Slavid, then it could probably be hrib ~ гриб
@RegDwightѬſ道 actually, this is almost certainly it.
 
4:23 PM
Гриби́ () — царство еукаріотичних безхлорофільних гетеротрофних організмів, які живляться переважно осмотрофно, і більшість з яких здатні розмножуватись за допомогою спор (хоча деякі втратили цю можливість і розмножуються вегетативно). Більшість з них протягом всього життя або на певних стадіях розвитку мають міцеліальну будову, а деякі — дріжджі — одноклітинні. Сьогодні описано приблизно 70 тис. видів грибів, проте їх очікуване різноманіття, за оцінками різних авторів, становить від 300 тис. до 1,5 млн. видів. Хоча гриби переважно ростуть в ґрунтах, вони також поширен...
The и is pronounced as [ɨ] in Ukrainian, though.
So, ɦrɨp.
 
interesting that it was borrowed as a name for a specific species. the generic term is ciuperca, from bulgarian!
> ciuperca, Din bg. čepurka
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Hmm, really? I already added 80 % more yeast the second time: didn't help. I read that more yeast doesn't help: you just need a minimum amount to be able to use the gluten strands properly, and anything over that just doesn't help.
 
@JSBᾶngs When we were in Italy watching TVRi, I was rather surprised to see so much Slavic influence in Romanian.
Mama e forte bolnava.
Or something like that.
 
dex agrees that it's from Uk: dexonline.ro/definitie/hrib
 
Well, that was easy.
 
4:26 PM
@JSBᾶngs Why Greek rhibos? It doesn't seem to exist.
 
@Cerberus that was random speculation without the aid of a dictionary
 
@Cerberus yeah then you probably need more gluten, or maybe more sugar
 
Doesn't g-/h- often come from labiovelar g(hw)-?
 
we could ask where the ukrainian word is from now, but i don't feel the need to go back that far
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 I also added more sugar, in fact twice as much as the previous time... so probably gluten!
 
4:28 PM
@RegDwightѬſ道 correct, except for a missing diacritic and the word foarte rather than forte. but only one word there is slavic.
 
@JSBᾶngs Of course, but that's one word too many.
 
(Or maybe from g(h)-)
 
> Происходит от праслав. формы, от которой в числе прочего произошли: укр. гриб, словенск. grȋb, чешск. hřib, словацк. hríb, польск. grzyb, в.-луж. hrib, н.-луж. grib. Из слав. заимств. лит. grỹbas, диал. griebas.
So Protoslavic, according to Vasmer.
And now I gotta commute. Laterz.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 most of my favorite romanian words are actually slavic in origin. or turkish.
 
@Cerberus Have you been to cooking.se yet?
 
4:32 PM
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Yeah I have read most questions on bread-making.
I think the only things I could try are extra gluten and bread enhancer.
The latter is very hard to find in a real shop nearby.
 
but what is "bread enhancer"?
 
Ehh it is a combination of foodstuffs that bakers normally add to their dough. It usually contains vitamin C, lysticine, and possible several other substances.
 
@Cerberus I just googled one and its main ingredient is "gluten" :)
 
Right!
 
I wonder what the vit C does to the bread
 
4:35 PM
I'm not sure about "main", but I heard they often put gluten in it, yes. So that sounds good.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 I forgot. Something good!
Perhaps make it go stale not as quickly?
 
My main bread-maker problem is that the loaves are often misshapen. It's annoying. The loaf is nice and round after the first kneading + rising, but when the machine kneads again it often all goes to one side and the loaf is really oddly shaped. Still tastes fine though.
 
Huh that's odd.
Do you have one or two paddles?
 
4:51 PM
@Cerberus two
 
Woah--rule violation suspension on 3I?
 
@simchona this is surprising why?
 
@jsb--I didn't recall seeing him do anything
 
@simchona ah, well, i assume that somebody did. sock-puppetry seems to be one of his hobbies
 
@jsb that would explain why his answers got +1 immediately
-1
Q: Can we say this sentence is a paragraph?

Nazm This book has 60 units. Each unit has 2 pages. Does the definition of paragraph restricted in a short part of text(one or more sentences) beginning on a new line?

The sentence doesn't make sense
 
5:05 PM
@simchona no it doesn't.
vote to close, make him start over. maybe invite him into chat.
 
How do you invite low rep users!
That should've been a question. Sorry, I'm on an iPhone
 
@simchona i dunno. good question. i suppose you could engage in comments, if you're up to it.
 
@jsb I left a comment asking for clarification; I've yet to hear back.
Pretty sure the OP is an NNS who doesn't understand the SE network yet. His answers aren't very good
 
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5:33 PM
@simchona You will spoil your eyesight if you do that too often.
 
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@JSBᾶngs But we aren't sure if that is the reason this time.
 
Poor Thursagen.
 
user19161
@drɱ65δ You really think so?
 
OK, bad Thursagen.
@Jasper No
What does he think he's doing?
It's ironic that he was a "trusted user" privilege-wise.
 
user19161
@drɱ65δ There are many ironic things in this world.
 
5:39 PM
Was Thursagen Third Idiot before?
That would explain "3I".
 
user19161
@drɱ65δ Yes, and before that Ham and Bacon.
 
Don't you mean after that?
He was HB when I got here, and changed to Thursagen after his first suspension.
I never saw him as 3I
 
user19161
@drɱ65δ My bad.
 
Oh well, I suppose it's not worth bothering about.
People will be people
Or idiots, more often than not.
 
Aaaah! What is this wall of text?
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Q: Using proper tense when talking about the events of the past and referencing a dialog therein

crazyyyyyyyyyI was writing a small synopsis to my friend and realize that I might have messed up my verbs. I would appreciate if you suggest a fix as well explain it. It's a bit long. I broke up with Kate, for good -- she left me. She came to the apartment last Thursday w/ intent to have a serious discu...

 
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5:41 PM
@drɱ65δ I would not call him an idiot though, that's too strong.
 
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And I'm not sure what happened to trg, he might even be dead.
 
user19161
@aediaλ You call it off-topic.
 
@Jasper I suppose he is only the Third Idiot.
@Jasper OK, so the play on words was corny :)
@Jasper Who's trg?
...were you talking to me?
 
user19161
@drɱ65δ A user. Talking to everyone.
 
Are we not supposed to use usernames in chat? Everyone's using shorthand.
 
user19161
5:50 PM
@drɱ65δ You can use whatever you want.
 

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