Game Development

Jon

7:04 PM

apparently the picture was taken at the exact moment that lightning was about to hit them

AttackingHobo

I think one of them died.

toby

7:19 PM

Does the OGL 3.2 core profile support instanced rendering?

glDrawElementsInstanced just fails with INVALID_OPERATION for no reason

on osx btw

I'm using the GLUT that comes with OS X, and I've passed GLUT_3_2_CORE_PROFILE to glutInitDisplayMode

everything works fine, shaders compile and link fine with #version 330, except for the instanced rendering

AttackingHobo

idk sorry

Joe

@AttackingHobo much better

toby

hmm apparently it is supported

i just had a quick lookie-loo at the specs

i must be doing something wrong then

Lasse

I think it should support it

Joe

@mlm for your mesh drawing tools... ever dealt with irregular shapes?

Icy Defiance

7:27 PM

I had crazy problems with glDrawElementsInstanced too, but on Windows, and I was using OpenTK. It was complaining about some binding error. Probably less related to your problem than it sounds like, lol.

Lasse

I got no problems with instanced rendering

AttackingHobo

@Joe thanks. Rendering a 360 version of that now to look at in my Gear VR

Joe

do you use the gear in model creation yet?

or just for display

AttackingHobo

@Joe don't set cpu threads to 50 if you want a responsive computer

MLM

@Joe Depends on the shape. If it is a cylinder with weird bases, my scripts should probably do that pretty easy

AttackingHobo

7:29 PM

@Joe modeling inside the Gear VR?

No. There are no tools for that yet

Joe

@MLM im considering my possibilities for drawing a mesh plane with irregular edges from noise

Lasse

@toby any gl draw call throws invalid operations quite easily, I think it's something else than instanced rendering related, perhaps some buffer is not correctly set or something.

Joe

basically using perlin generated noise like one might draw voxels with

but instead making meshes

AttackingHobo

3000x1500 360 pano still rendering

toby

thanks, @Lasse

Joe

7:32 PM

@AttackingHobo seems like we should make those tools

AttackingHobo

Need some kind of input device

Joe

wii remote

nunchuck

or we could point a kinect at you

with the gear on

AttackingHobo

wii remote is too crappy

kinect is too jittery and low quality

Something using viewforia might work

Joe

fiber optic needle drilled into your spinal column where the arm nerves are

AttackingHobo

nerves are bioelectrical not biooptical

24 minutes remaining

on this render

Joe

7:35 PM

@AttackingHobo well looks like well have to then replace all of your nerves with bio-optics

how else are you going to get crazy hands like that

AttackingHobo

oooh that would be awesome. super fast reaction times

Joe

also probably some residual glow when you think

but its just while your thinking... or doing stuff

AttackingHobo

:D

that would be fucking sick

glowing lines under the skin

Joe

probably could justify different colors for different though processes

AttackingHobo

lasers from my fingertips

single fiber optical cameras/projectors on my fingers

Pip

7:38 PM

@AttackingHobo truetrue

noice

MLM

@Joe I think you should be able to use the ProceduralPlane script and move the edge points based on noise. Be sure to make the UV's correct as well

Joe

im shoddy with UVs at the moment but thats interesting

I had never considered rendering a mesh then reshaping it

AttackingHobo

Ewww I just noticed that the mockup I posted before got converted to jpg

2

MLM

Just move the points before the mesh is made (in the loops about line 60)

Pip

this is dope

github.com/klaussilveira/gitlist

AttackingHobo

7:40 PM

Star that one and unstar that old one. Its gross

Joe

@MLM im going to have to wrap my head around the process first... I cant picture pseudo code for identifying the "edge points"

MLM

@Joe segZ == 0 || segZ == (segmentsZ-1) and segX == 0 || segX == (segmentsX-1)

Good song. I like the part after about 32 seconds: youtube.com/watch?v=1FaRqsawrWQ

Ali.S

@everyone what about winter jam?

AttackingHobo

@Ali.S boysenberry

Ali.S

@AttackingHobo ?

MLM

7:46 PM

@Joe You will also have customize your own MeshUtils.GenerateRectFaceTris so you can pass individual points or offsets, etc

Joe

this is going to be many steps

noise is going to generate many different individual "planes"

ill have to isolate each

Pip

@AttackingHobo lol

AttackingHobo

@Pip :D

@Ali.S Fine. Strawberry. You win.

Ali.S

@AttackingHobo i think I'm just starting to get it... forgive me, I'm not used to english puns enough :P

AttackingHobo

@Ali.S The word Jam can also mean Fruit Preserve. So like Strawberry Jam. Or Boysenberry Jam. lol

Ali.S

7:50 PM

yep, I actually got it after all :D

MLM

Strawberry is the best. Here is the sandwich I made yesterday:

Nate Kerkhofs

What's on the right side? peanut butter?

MLM

Perfect peanut butter and jelly sandwich. It even has a Jelly gutter

(hollowed out bread slightly on one side)

AttackingHobo

@MLM Advanced Sandwich Technologies

Nate Kerkhofs

I want to discuss algorithms for an addon that optimizes Garrison followers for WoW

where would be the best place to do that?

WoW = World of Warcraft

MLM

7:54 PM

@NateKerkhofs Depends on the problem. Path finding stuff right?

Icy Defiance

mods are technically on topic here, but not many of us have a lot of knowledge about it.

that said, we are good at algorithms for the most part

Nate Kerkhofs

no, not pathfinding

Ali.S

but really, and where is @john anyway?

Nate Kerkhofs

the new WoW expansion has a feature that allows you to send followers on missions

each mission has a set of challenges and each follower has 1 or 2 challenges it can counter

Icy Defiance

so WoW is now an RTS game. cool.

Nate Kerkhofs

7:56 PM

a mission can have anywhere from 0 to 6 challenges and requires 1-3 followers

Jon

i guess you should just ask

and possibly someone could provide some insight

Icy Defiance

he's working on that :P

Nate Kerkhofs

I'm trying to figure out an algorithm that assigns followers in order to counter the most missions fully

so what I have is a list of missions and a list of followers. a mission has a level, a list of challenges and a follower count

a follower has a level and 1 or 2 challenges it can counter

Where would be the best place to ask a question on that algorithm?

I'd rather do it through a question than through chat

AttackingHobo

@NateKerkhofs thats not really game dev

Nate Kerkhofs

because it's easier to explain

AttackingHobo

8:00 PM

Thats more gaming.stackexchange.com

Nate Kerkhofs

What would be a better place then? I'm looking for the best place to ask first

ARqade doesn't do in mod development

Icy Defiance

programmers.SE might be good. their tour specifically mentions questions about algorithms being good.

AttackingHobo

This is a mod?

Nate Kerkhofs

yeah, I'm developing an addon for WoW to optimize these

I'm without a job, so I need something to fill my time with.

Icy Defiance

if it's a mod, it's on-topic at gamedev.SE. not sure if this or programmers would be better...

I'd just choose one and make the question. Worst thing that will happen is it doesn't get an answer.

MLM

8:02 PM

I think the mod part doesn't really matter and is just down to the algorithm to optimize based on the parameters. Programmers.SE sounds good based on what Icy said

Icy Defiance

Just don't post to both. That's pretty frowned upon.

Nate Kerkhofs

I think I'll ask it at programmers

MLM

@NateKerkhofs link it here when you are done

Nate Kerkhofs

will do

Icy Defiance

so today I decided to learn rust, and it's really freaking strange

semicolons don't end statements in rust. they turn expressions into statements by discarding the return value of the expression and returning () instead...or something like that

MLM

8:06 PM

@NateKerkhofs You could brute force every combination and use the best outcome. How many missions and followers do you have to manage?

Nate Kerkhofs

you can have 20-25 followers and there are on average 25-30 missions per day, each with 1-3 slots for followers

actually, there are more missions, but you only get those after you complete some

AttackingHobo

@Joe @Jon pano done

Nate Kerkhofs

but I don't want to optimize for future missions because you can't know which ones are there

Joe

nice

but, now the floor light reflections look surreal to me

AttackingHobo

@Joe yeah. its an equirectangular projection. They are going to look weird

MLM

8:12 PM

@NateKerkhofs Do you have to fill each mission full with the specified amount? If you don't, then just use the followers that can counter the most first. And then stack the followers that can do less on top until you get the proper number to complete all of the challenges.

Nate Kerkhofs

Yes, you need to fill each mission full

you can't send 2 followers on a mission for 3 followers

MLM

@NateKerkhofs Do the rewards vary for each mission?

nvm, you just want to counter the most amount of missions (quantity)

Nate Kerkhofs

There are various rewards, yes

but I just want to go for maximum coverage on ability counters

If I want a specific reward, I will start that mission manually first.

AttackingHobo

@Joe check it 360cities.net/image/room-test