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12:50 AM
@DavidCarlisle Don't tell me you miss the geocities look and feel :P
images with math with blinking icons etc.
those were the days heheh
 
@percusse :-)
 
1:19 AM
Heiko Oberdiek, bounty hunter. :)
 
 
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7:41 AM
@yo' This is somehow worse, the picture is not even inline -> latex-community.org/forum/…
 
 
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yo'
9:13 AM
@Johannes_B I think I don't understand what you mean...
 
@yo' A »Do it for me« question, i know you like them ;-)
 
yo'
@Johannes_B ah well, indeed I do.
 
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Q: useless efforts in the development of LaTeX-related tools?

plutonThis question/concern may sound like a troll but is not. I'm more and more concerned on how relevant it is to dedicate energy to the development of next generation tools like LaTeX3, LuaTex, Tikz... Some people agree that the pdf format is doomed to disappearance because of its lacks of interacti...

What do people make of this? I'm minded to comment something like 'If you go down the totally flexible route then clearly not only TeX but any idea of typesetting in advance of viewing are out'.
 
Wow, on the DANTE Mailing List the discussion Word vs LaTeX went to mention Churchill and Goebbels.
 
@Johannes_B Oops
 
9:34 AM
Read 300 pages in one trip. At this rate, I'll finish the whole Sherlock Holmes collection in the end of february. :)
@Johannes_B Oh my! :(
 
@PauloCereda I suggest Charles Dickens' complete works.
 
@egreg Uh-oh. :)
Damn those snob editors sitting in Starbucks spilling their lattes over expensive Macbooks just because the barista wrote their names with bad kerning. ♥ — Paulo Cereda 17 secs ago
 
btw: Might be fun for you guys: type.method.acJohannes_B 9 secs ago
 
9:53 AM
@egreg: Palmeiras has now an attacker with the nickname Banana. Oh my. :P
 
@PauloCereda From the trajectory of his shoots?
 
0
Q: destination with the same identifier has been already used. duplicate ignored (for figures and equations)

MaxBaetenIn my .log file I get multiple errors of the following format: pdfTeX warning (ext4): destination with the same identifier (name{equation.5.1.1}) has been already used, duplicate ignored Where if I look up these hyperref references in the .aux file I indeed see that different labels are attach...

 
@egreg No idea. :) Let's see what happens. We also have Maikon Leite (Leite = Milk), so banana + milk. :)
 
yo'
11:02 AM
@PauloCereda Expensive macBooks are I hope spillproof :)
 
@yo' Yay!
 
11:19 AM
I want biscuits. :(
 
@PauloCereda We have a very big Apfelstrudel for lunch.
 
@egreg Sounds like an apple pie. :)
 
@PauloCereda Something like this one
 
@egreg I resembles Fubá when he wants to sleep in a box smaller than his size. :)
 
11:36 AM
Look at this plagiator guy: Uses great portions of my answer to post it as a 'MWE'
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Q: How to create labels and references automatically in LaTeX?

rednammocI have defined two custom macros: \translation{ORIGINAL}{TRANSLATION} \printtranslations The first macro prints out the translation and puts the original and the translation into a list. The list can be printed using the \printtranslations macro. This is working great. However i also want to ...

 
 
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12:40 PM
@percusse On the 'novels' question, I'm thinking about a lot of what one sees in supermarkets an bookshops: novels consisting almost entirely of text. That is admittedly a subset but I would say from what I see in the shops quite a large one.
 
12:54 PM
\matrix (m) [matrix of nodes, ampersand replacement=\&, column sep = {\horizdist,between origins}] ...
I have tikz, tikzlibraries matrix and positioning
 
@percusse I'm of course not saying this is true for all cases
 
@JosephWright so not this then?
 
the error I get is ! Package PGF Math Error: Unknown function `between' (in ' between origins').
mhh solved by removing spacing
weird
 
yo'
1:45 PM
@egreg yep, looks like a štrůdl :)
 
@JosephWright It is not only about the text itself. From the cover to the introduction they just don't know anything other than publishing software. Plus if they don't use them they feel like they are not being professional.
So it's a reinforced behavior.
And of course there are lots of novels that have images and illustrations, two of them looking at me now.
 
@percusse Covers are not really something TeX is right for in any case: also true of a textbook or whatever
@percusse Yes, I wasn't saying all novels have no illustrations (most of the ones I have are either very graphical to the point where TeX would be a disaster or have plate pages that would be fine)
 
@JosephWright I wouldn't want to show how colophons and ToCs of many Penguin or Norton books can be done in TeX to an outsider. That would surely drive them away.
 
@percusse As I say, I was thinking of a particular subset of novels: mass-market ones, no notes or whatever, just text. There are a lot of them when I visit the bookshop.
 
The point is that they won't learn by themselves. And learning TeX is really tough. My point is not that they can't do it. But the parts that they can't do are enough to skip TeX.
The text part can also be done in Word.
 
1:55 PM
@percusse My reading of the question is that it's really about the typesetters, not the publishers: the latter presumably read the drafts in a form that the authors are happy with, so most likely word processed
 
@JosephWright Then the question is trivial as it would be Can I type text in LaTeX?
 
@percusse To be honest, I'm not really that keen on the question. Can novels be typeset in (La)TeX: yes. Are they in general: no.
 
@JosephWright They will increase. Somebody interviewed DEK for computerphile videos and then people will jump here soon :)
it's not aired on youtube but they have a line breaking video already.
 
@percusse Interesting, but they only focus on one aspect of the issue with reflowable devices
@percusse No discussion of e.g the 'correct' typeface for different text, size of text versus margins or the idea of manual intervention/rewriting, all of which feature in classical typography
 
@JosephWright It's an intro to typesetting yet. They usually make a few videos on the same topic.
 
2:08 PM
@percusse I'm sure
 
@percusse Saw that one before :-)
 
they also talk about many subjects with the same person
I think it's a nice framework they have for interviews
 
@percusse I wasn't criticising, just saying that there are more issues than just the linebreaking algorithm
@percusse It's a general problem with any reflowable stuff even on a powerful PC, something they perhaps avoid mentioning (would people be happy if their desktop PC took several seconds or more to show content of a website when resizing?)
 
@JosephWright Yea sure, i somehow thought that you are not familiar with it. My misconception :)
 
2:11 PM
@yo' Also this one is bohemian, of course. ;-)
 
@percusse I'd only seen the DEK one before, not the line breaking one. It is pretty good: explains the reasons clearly.
@percusse Perhaps the one thing they could have added is that the algorithm used by the Kindle or whatever has to work all of the time: there is no chance of the odd manual adjustment that there is in preparing a static document
 
@JosephWright True. I have a Kobo and if I change the text size it has to render everything from scratch. It is really slow
 
@percusse Does the Kobo try to do something more complex than just a simple ragged right approach?
 
@JosephWright It has some justification
depending on the content
 
2:41 PM
Good maen
 
2:59 PM
huhu @christian
 
@Johannes_B: Ah, hallo... läuft der neue Akku? (Ich korrigiere gerade eine Mathematikarbeit ;-))
 
3:12 PM
@ChristianHupfer Still no new battery.
 
hello!!
 
@ChristianHupfer Still no new battery.
@quidstone Hi
 
i am trying to change the chapter title position in report.cls how do i do that??
@Johannes_B hey....
 
@quidstone The vertical position?
 
@Johannes_B yes...it dropped a little bit...
 
3:18 PM
10
Q: Space before chapters and contents

user1015777I am using LaTeX to write my dissertation, and I have realised that on the table of contents and on every chapter page, LaTeX leaves a lot of empty space. What I mean is that lets say in the page where chapter 1 begins, from the top of the page until the chapter title there is much more vertical...

@DavidCarlisle @JosephWright @egreg @yo' @PauloCereda @ChristianHupfer @percusse vvvvvvv
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Q: Some modification and development my graph

user67733edit legend, also all parametrs my graph under my pictures, \documentclass{article} \usepackage{pgfplots} \pgfplotsset{compat=newest} \usepackage{caption} % <---- \captionsetup{font = small} % <---- \usepackage[active,floats,tightpage]{preview}% <--- \setlength\PreviewBorder{1em} ...

 
Zangief? :)
@Johannes_B Is he our old friend?
 
@Johannes_B ah he's back:-) close as unclear.
 
@PauloCereda Yep, either it is him, or it is his study partner ;-)
@quidstone Did you see the linked question/answer above? space before chapter and contents
 
@Johannes_B Thanks. I didn't find that. Thank you very much.
 
@Johannes_B thanks for the ping. I understand thats some known user?
 
3:23 PM
@Johannes_B yes i saw that. Thank you!
 
@LaRiFaRi Yep, posted questions, got somme comments or even answers, deleted the Q afterwards.
 
@Johannes_B OK, will leave him then. (to be true... I was not really in mood to help there anyway)
 
@LaRiFaRi: Marco is back and we are working on v4.0 :) Soon...
 
@PauloCereda Don't know no Marco. but well, 4.0 is merrily welcome on my PC... keep on!!!
 
@LaRiFaRi :)
 
3:27 PM
@PauloCereda arara version numbers seem to go 1,2,3,4 do dull, whatever happened to 2.08, 2.09, 2e, or 1,2,3,3.1,3.2....3.14,3.141,....
 
@DavidCarlisle I am working on .NET... Can handle any possible version numbering on that planet. Even the stupidest (oh, already mentioned .NET before)
 
@DavidCarlisle I only have an integer arithmetic unit. :)
 
@PauloCereda if you have integers and macro expansion get Bruno to implement a floating point arithmetic unit....
 
I have this book. It's amazing. :) And old. :P
@DavidCarlisle: the book is almost as old as you. <3
That was rude, sorry. :)
 
@PauloCereda as expected in this chatroom
 
3:41 PM
@DavidCarlisle what else could you expect from the vim mafia? :)
 
Hi everyone!
 
Hi @andrew
 
@AndrewCashner Hello! :)
 
If you can't come up with something else to do, just ping me and remind me to stop messing with fonts and actually write. I'm losing control!
Hi @Paulo, @Joannes_B - Having a good new year?
 
@AndrewCashner In a hurry, but fine. :) And you?
 
3:47 PM
@Paulo Survived some food poisoning, now back to work. It's the bike shed problem, though---too many important things to worry about so instead I worry about fonts, etc.
 
barbara beeton's eyes are sharp like a hawk's
it's probably an illusion, but the brace appears to be positioned just a little to the right, not quite centered. — barbara beeton 29 mins ago
 
I see the "LaTeX for novels" question was closed after I answered, and I can understand why. Do people normally delete their answers to closed questions?
@egreg I've seen numerous 17th-century Spanish pieces of music where "Victor" is used as an exclamation like "Huzzah!"
 
yo'
4:05 PM
@egreg this sentence would make my (Moravian) mom unhappy :( :p
 
@AndrewCashner: It does not mean that an answer is not good even if the question was closed
 
@Christian Thanks. Though your double negatives still leave me anxious about my answer! But I can settle for it being "not necessarily not good." :)
 
@AndrewCashner: It's my German style of writing English :-P
 
@Christian Better than my English style of writing German!
 
@AndrewCashner: Prove it!!! :D
 
4:13 PM
@yo' According to Wikipedia, the strudel has Bizantine/Turkish origin.
 
@Christian Wenn die Frage nicht gut sei, es meint nicht, dass das Antwort nicht gut ist. --?
 
@AndrewCashner: That's not really bad ;-)
 
@Christian THanks. How do I say "provoke"?
 
@AndrewCashner: In German?
 
@Christian natürlich
 
4:17 PM
@AndrewCashner: Either "provozieren" (same origin from Latin --> provoke) or "herausfordern", "veranlassen", it depends on the context
 
@ChristianHupfer Eine schlechte Frage kann noch guten Antworten provozieren?
 
@AndrewCashner: "Eine schlechte Frage kann (dennoch) gute Antworten ermöglichen", for example
 
@Christian ermöglichen -- make possible?
 
@AndrewCashner: Yes, exactly
 
@Christian dennoch -- more like nevertheless ?
 
yo'
4:22 PM
@egreg That's possible. I was, however, referring to the "Czechia" vs. "Bohemia" problem :)
 
@AndrewCashner: Yes or 'anyway'
 
@yo' The poor Moravians are always forgotten. They should split, too.
 
yo'
@egreg and don't forget the Silesians! They should get a part of the Poland, too, and create a new state. However, the most important are the Lower Sorbians.
s/Sorbians/Sorbs/ I always get this one wrong in English
(it's all confusing: Slavic vs. Slovak vs. Slovenian, Czech vs. Bohemian, Sorbs vs. Serbs vs. Serbians, Cyrillic vs. Russian Cyrillic vs. Serbian Cyrillic vs. Ukranian Cyrillic [all commonly called bukvy], Latvia vs. Lithuania)
 
@yo' :) A student of mine is Romanian, but he came to Italy as a child; his parents speak Hungarian, at home.
@yo' So many languages.
 
yo'
4:37 PM
@egreg and all of them understand Slovakian to some extent ;)
damn, I would have never thought that I'll spend 2 days on composing my CV :(
 
@yo' plain tex CV: Dear sir, can I have a job? If you want to know what I've done, use google like any normal person.\bye
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@yo': Did you use Word or VI(M)? ;-)
 
4:52 PM
And having read this, i am going to get me a beer.
Johannes i wrote on my post latex community about crosspost. Better you help to correct — user67733 13 mins ago
 
@yo' Are you sure they want it in the form of a musical composition? :-P
 
@Johannes_B: Eine kleine Nervensäge, hm? ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Banana squared.
 
@Johannes_B: Only squared? I thought it's e^{Banana^2} ;-)
@Johannes_B: Fill in the math mode yourself :-P
 
yo'
5:12 PM
@ChristianHupfer TeXworks :)
@AndrewCashner LOL! I've finished one of the intonations
 
@yo': fie :D
 
yo'
@ChristianHupfer ?
 
@yo': Nevermind ;-)
 
yo'
@ChristianHupfer ok
 
@Johannes_B: I have not been on LaTeX Community for a month or even longer, I believe
 
5:19 PM
@ChristianHupfer I was there just a few minutesa ago. Had a mail about a private message.
 
@Johannes_B: Your are moderator of LC, you should be there ;-)
 
@yo' Would love to see it
 
@ChristianHupfer Right, i should :-)
 
@Johannes_B: So do your duty... serve your community, be online...come on, come on :-P
 
@ChristianHupfer I was online every day for the last two weeks, even if it were just ten minutes. But what do you expect sitting in front of the library with \SI{-8}{\celsius} and a crappy battery? :-p
 
yo'
5:33 PM
@AndrewCashner I'll send it to you :) But I'm still thinking of adding a small bit, but I'm not able to think it out
 
@Johannes_B: Excuses, excuses :-P
 
@ChristianHupfer
OP: bla bla
Me: Read the [important notes](golatex.de/…)
OP (four minutes later): Here <code snippet>
 
@yo' thanks! In bar 9 do you really mean that? (G half diminished triad over B?)
 
yo'
@AndrewCashner in which score?
 
5:47 PM
@Johannes_B: Yes, that guy is stubborn ;-)
 
yo'
@AndrewCashner oh it's B augmented!
 
@ChristianHupfer The classes and packages have a big red box ini the docs: Do not copy from a pdf to a file, use the distributed example files
@ChristianHupfer Not sure how those people are driving a car. Stop sign? Red traffic lights? Don't need it.
 
@yo' Sorry that was my dumb mistake. (Technically it's G augmented; B augmented would have an F double sharp.) But I see, you're using the augmented on the dominant -- why not if you like it!
 
@Johannes_B: Don't tell me -- tell the other one!
 
@egreg spotted a space.
 
yo'
5:52 PM
@AndrewCashner for the transition it's fine :)
 
@ChristianHupfer If i would tell them Mach de Glotzen off, du Arschkrampe they would be offended. -> youtube.com/watch?v=QYoMTpXUkKk
 
@yo' I like the rhythmic pattern in mm. 9--13
 
yo'
@AndrewCashner I love that one, I can't resist playing it whenever I sit in front of the piano :)
 
@yo' The augmented over the flat seven (D) in the bass in m. 8 is pretty out there. (which can be good!)
 
@Johannes_B: Wahrscheinlich ;-)
 
yo'
5:56 PM
@AndrewCashner yes, it is, but it's really just a transition; the theme changes completely there
 
@yo' If you like funky modulations, you might like this organ mass by Liszt, one of his very late, strange, and contemplative works: javanese.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/6/60/…
@yo' The Sanctus especially
 
@ChristianHupfer Day two after taking a week off ... And i am back to my usual stress level.
 
@yo' It's not too hard to play, and will transport you to a strange and different world of harmony. (Also interesting because Liszt literally sets every single word of the Latin mass in the organ music.0
 
@ChristianHupfer Q: Do you want to change the font for all xy? A: I want another font.
 
@Johannes_B: I've just read it ;-)
@Johannes_B: Week off? Urlaub?
 
6:04 PM
@ChristianHupfer Urlaub? Dead battery and no internet connection at home ;-)
@ChristianHupfer I have Winterdienst as well.
 
One desperately after the self-answer badge?
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Q: Organiser Refills/Inlays using LaTeX

smoneckEvery year I need to refill my beloved organiser. But the refills on simple A5 paper are sold for incredible prices around $20. Is there a way to create organiser inlays using LaTeX?

 
@Christian We're okay with sharing knowledge this way, right?
 
@AndrewCashner: For sure ;-) It sounds a little bit funny anyway... and there is no sign of 'I'll propose something';-)
 
@Christian I guess it's nice when something is still left for the community to fill in. It's a do-it-for-me question where the OP does it for her/himself.
@Christian What if someone develops a new package? Is there a legit way for them to promote it to the community here?
 
@AndrewCashner: I don't think so as it copies the design of that inlays, and his most probably copyrighted by some company (the manufactorers of such inlays)?
 
yo'
6:16 PM
@AndrewCashner it seems beyond the abilities of me and my small organ :(
 
@AndrewCashner: The OP of the Inlay question is a German, I'll leave some note to him ;-)
 
@yo' Oh, it's a very odd work to actually perform. But it's interesting to study. Wish I could play through it for you. Maybe I will figure out how to make a recording. I used to have nice equipment but sold it a long time ago when I needed the money.
 
yo'
@AndrewCashner I think that YouTube FTW :D but not now, I gotta do something
 
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Q: How many mosquitoes would it take to "drain" enough blood to put a person into shock?

stuntstoolI'm just curious, how many mosquito "bites" (mosquitoes which have removed blood from a person) would it take to remove enough blood to put a person into shock? (Putting aside all reasons why it wouldn't happen, how many would it take?)

 
@yo' You might try that Kyrie sometime, I think it's easier to play than the music you sent me. Yeah I need to get going too. Take care.
 
6:26 PM
The things you can find out on the internet. :)
 
@Alan Will be looking up "Regulation of blood meal size in the mosquito"
Take care, everyone.
 
yo'
@AndrewCashner thanks and bye!
 
@AndrewCashner: Bye
 
@AlanMunn I wub teh interwebz. :)
So mosquitoes. Very blood. Wow.
 
@ChristianHupfer Just wrote a private message at golatex: 567 words.
 
6:37 PM
@Johannes_B: Wow! That's 560 words more than the German average ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer It was to the user i linked above. »Why can't you read the notes?«
 
@PauloCereda Of course a more relevant question is how many mosquitoes does it take to get dengue or malaria or any other potentially fatal disease. A: 1
 
@AlanMunn :) We cannot even win a war against a mosquito. :(
 
@ChristianHupfer LOL I hadn't seen that one before.
 
6:50 PM
@AlanMunn: "I like animals ... therefore I'll kill them" ;-)
@AlanMunn: It's an Australian accent, isn't it?
 
@ChristianHupfer Yes. it is.
 
@AlanMunn: Awful (sorry) :D
 
@ChristianHupfer "Why don't you use bug spray? Where's the sport in that?"
 
@AlanMunn: :D
 
@DavidCarlisle But it didn't require a %
 
6:54 PM
Long time not seen
 
7:07 PM
@egreg yes a bit advanced for you.
 
7:36 PM
@DavidCarlisle Interesting approach. I doubt it will catch on, though.
 
Good maen
 
I hope this isn't blasphemous, but I've come to think that Monty Python isn't really that funny.
 
@Faheem: It's blasphemy... burn him!!!!!
 
@ChristianHupfer burn who?
 
@FaheemMitha: Make an educated guess ;-)
 
8:05 PM
Any way of adjusting \sqrt's rule in a similar way one can adjust \frac's rule via \genfrac?
That is remarkable, I checked it with Photoshop CS6 and it found a different color (#231f20), is that zoom too? Is the same sort of command like \genfrac possible for square roots? — I.L. Polak 3 mins ago
TeX By Topic (section 21.3 Radicals, p 194) mentions:
 
Hello all, what iare LaTeX3 commands to append and preppend stuff to macros defined with \DeclareDocumentCommand? similar to \appto from etoolbox?
 
@michal.h21 Huh?
 
> The control sequence `\radical` is followed by a <24-bit number> which specifies a
small and a large variant of the left delimiter as was explained above. Joining the
delimiter and the rule is done by letting the delimiter have a large depth, and a height
which is equal to the desired rule thickness. The rule can then be placed on the current
baseline. After the delimiter and the ruled expression have been joined the whole is
shifted vertically to achieve the usual vertical centering [...]
"the desired rule thickness" seems to be some adjustable quantity... Yes?
 
@michal.h21 The xpatch package is what you want, I think.
 
@JosephWright I want to append tex4ht hooks for inserting html codes to existing macro defined with \DeclareDocumentCommand
"Although this package has been written with the experimental L A TEX3 macros, the
commands can’t be used to patch commands defined with the xparse interface, in general."
 
8:16 PM
@michal.h21 Oh well, I guess not then...
 
@michal.h21 You can't do that (or at least are really not meant to)
@michal.h21 Document commands are intended to create interfaces: the 'payload' should be handled separately
 
@JosephWright so this is the reason I can't find anything :)
@JosephWright so maybe I should take a look at xtemplate?
 
@michal.h21 Of course, 'can't' is a relative term: you could modify either \foo or \foo code (if the latter exists)
 
@JosephWright But isn't that true independently of LaTeX3? So the need will surely arise...
 
@michal.h21 No, doesn't help here as most document commands are not templated
@AlanMunn The problem with patching is it's a mess. What should happen is that defined changes should be made using clear mechanisms. Of course, the problem is that this is a 'work in progress'.
 
8:20 PM
@JosephWright this is a command created by me, I am making some example for this question:
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Q: TeX4ht and LaTeX3 - Do they go togther?

mh378I'd like to add TeX4ht support for my package, which is written in LaTeX3. Is it safe to switch \ExplSyntaxOn inside a .4ht file? Should I switch it off at the end? If it was NOT safe, how should I proceed to redefine (in classic syntax) a macro that has a LaTeX3 name (with underscores)

 
@michal.h21 I'd seen that
 
@JosephWright Yes, for sure. In an ideal world no patching should be required. (Not a criticism, just truism.)
 
@michal.h21 It's David's fault. :)
 
@AlanMunn My point is that a 'well designed' command created with \DeclareDocumentCommand should basically just pass all of the (now required) arguments to some code-level interface, so it's at that level one should be altering behaviours.
 
@JosephWright as I haven't used LaTeX3 yet, I am not sure that my example will be good, but I will hopefully show that they work together :)
 
8:23 PM
@JosephWright Yes, I understood.
 
@michal.h21 Well some expl3-based code already works with tex4ht, so I know things can go!
 
@PauloCereda of course, it was never other way :)
 
@michal.h21 The team (currently) encourage something like
\DeclareDocumentCommand \foo { o m }
  {
    \IfNoValueTF {#1}
      { \foo_code:n {#2} }
      { \foo_code:nn {#1} {#2} }
  }
 
@JosephWright I suppose \ExplSyntaxOff set catcode of : to value it had when \ExplSyntaxOn was called?
 
@PauloCereda you forgot a @
 
8:28 PM
for commands created with xparse: the idea is that and changes to behaviour not interface should happen in those two code-level things. (Frank has in the past wanted another level of abstraction: not sure if that is still the case but it's certainly not what people do!)
@michal.h21 Yes
 
@michal.h21 oi don't encourage him
 
@michal.h21 \ExplSyntax... is designed to be 'well-behaved'
 
@JosephWright great, so it should be fine to use in in .4ht files and I don't need to test it :) I was thinking it is done in this way
 
8:41 PM
@ChristianHupfer @JosephWright @PauloCereda I have to be honest with you, i am standing in the students club, and i thought this would work out of the box now.
Installing the CTAN-package containing the font and just run the code. Works for me. Why is metafont called here? I am not completely sober right now ...

http://latex-community.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=25485&view=unread#p86897
 
@Johannes_B: I have not much experience with fontspec stuff, sorry
 
@Johannes_B XeTeX is a bit picky (depending on OS): best to use the file name
 
@Johannes_B The name in the fontspec command has to be the name as it would appear in e.g. a regular app, not the filename. So perhaps "Free Serif" is the name?
 
@ChristianHupfer This is were i live (hometown and students club) -> club.tu-freiberg.de/… :-D
@JosephWright @AlanMunn If i understoof that correctly, you both are saying the opposite. As far as i know, XeLaTeX will find the name (not file name) if the font is system installed.
 
@Johannes_B: Ähm.... nett ;-)
 
8:51 PM
@Johannes_B @JosephWright is right. I'm usually using LuaTeX these days. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/11888/finding-a-font-for-xetex/…
 
@AlanMunn Full file name should be reliable all-round
 
@JosephWright Sure, but just knowing the font name is so much more intuitive... But I typically use system installed fonts anyway.
 
@AlanMunn Certainly
 
@JosephWright @AlanMunn I have the font multiple times on my system, so i guess it's possible that XeTeX picked up a system font (i haven't checked).
 
I am writing an algorithm in latex and I want to change the line because I wrote a long comment and it is cut from a point. What can I do?
 
8:59 PM
@evinda Hi. To be honest, that was a bit like »My red sock has some difficulties with the toaster«. Can you give us some more information? What package for algorithms do you use? What line do you want to change iin which way?
@evinda This might be a good question for the main site. Maybe there is already a question on that by another user we could find.
 
I write a code in sharelatex.com.. @Johannes_B
@Johannes_B I wrote two long sentences and instead of the rest of the line being under the first line where the first part finishes, it is cut...Do you have an idea what I could do?
 
New job, new computer, and I have no idea how to use Windows. Does anyone here care to recommend TeX Live or MikTex?
 
@Gregory Both have advantages
@Gregory If you go for MiKTeX and it's a single-user machine, do a single user install not a multi-user one
 
@Johannes_B it presumably works for you because you have the font, that makes a difference
 
@JosephWright It's a single-user machine. I think I'll go for Mik
MikTeX
 
9:09 PM
@evinda it is best to ask questions on the main site with an example document, but presumably you wrote the text into a construct that does not linebreak eg \mbox or a tablular c column or ....
 
@DavidCarlisle I used \begin{verbatim} and \end{verbatim} to write the code.
Can we change the line using the command \mbox?
 
@Gregory as far as i can see miktex tries to be more "like a windows program" but texlive (which I've used since before it was called that) is a straight port of unix tex
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes, might be. But how to know? In my condition? ;-)
 
@evinda that is the whole point of verbatim, you get a verbatim copy of what you type
 
So if I use verbatim, I cannot write a long comment, right? @DavidCarlisle
 
9:12 PM
@evinda I think package listings can do some magic here. It can break lines.
 
@Johannes_B So what can I do to include this? @Johannes_B
 
@Johannes_B if a font can't be found, kpathse's last ditch attempt to find it is to run metafont and hope it makes the font. time was that would work for most fonts used from tex but if it's a system truetype font it just causes lots of confusing spurious errors before it finally gives up and says the font can't be found
 
@evinda Have a look at the package doc ;-) listings treats your text some ind of verbatim.
 
@evinda verbatim will just reproduce the lines that you type. perhaps listings is what you want or just \texttt{...} hard to know, as I said at the beginning it is best to make a small complete example and ask a question on the site, you can not format code here
 
@Johannes_B I included listings and now the line changes and there is the whole long comment but the last word of the lines is cut.. What could I do?
 
9:19 PM
@evinda As @david already pointed out, hard to know. But listings is not magic, you still have to adjust some code so listings knows what to do.
 
@evinda make a small complete document that shows the problem and post the entire document in a code block in a question on the site
 
@DavidCarlisle Thanks for that insight into the difference between TeXLive and MikTeX. From what I read here: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/175121/… I don't think it'll make a big difference to me as a basic end user. Unless TeXLive is easier to use with Cywin, which is how I'm trying to come to terms with Windows.
^Cygwin
 
@Gregory ah I am a big cygwin user and texlive has cygwin implementations (which is what I use myself) this differs from the native windoes tex live port in that it knows the cygwin file path structure etc
@Gregory you can edit just hit uparrow
 
9:37 PM
@DavidCarlisle. TeXLive it is, then. Thanks!
 
@Gregory note there are 4 distinct texlive versions for windows: 32 and 64 bit windows and 32 and 64 bit cygwin, pick the right one:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle @Johannes_B I wrote it on the main
 
@evinda are you using A4 per or US letter paper?
 
I downloaded it from sharelatex.com @DavidCarlisle
 
@evinda no the physical paper you are printing on
 
9:45 PM
@DavidCarlisle I don't want to print it... I want to send it online
 
Oh, my. I can narrow that down to two choices easily enough as they gave me a 32-bit machine. Is there a package manager for cygwin that'll install a complete TeXLive package for me?
 
@Gregory cygwin comes with tex but as with linux distros it's better really to go to tug and just get the texlive installer from there
@evinda i just answered, you know all I did is type texdoc listings and then searched the manual for break until I found the option for linebreaking
@Gregory but just to get started you could use the cygwin package manager tex if that's easier, just run the usual cygwin setup program and select tex.... you only need the one from tug if you want the bleading edge 2014 release of everything
 
Thanks a lot @DavidCarlisle
 
@evinda note listings has lots of options, if you tell it what that language it will syntax colour the source etc...
 
@DavidCarlisle Does the cygwin package manager tex come with pdflatex and XeLaTeX?
 
9:52 PM
@Gregory hm definitely pdftex I think xelatex but Ive used the tug one for last few years can't be sure;-0
 
I need the latter for a package that prints phylogenetic trees, but I use pdflatex for pretty much everything else out of habit.
 
@DavidCarlisle I am writing pseudocode, so it won't exist an other colour, right?
So is this better that verbatim? Should I use at all the code listings instead of verbatim?
 
10:07 PM
@evinda if you are writing pseudocode you may instead want one of the algortithm packages (there are several algorithmix, algotrithm2e etc that give a far more "typeset" presenttaion that listings/verbatim/
 
@DavidCarlisle Could you maybe tell me which commands I have to change?
 
@evinda they are very different verbatim as its name implies is versy simple and just turns off all latex special codes and prints the text verbatim. listings has a 60 page manual just for that package and it does lots of stuff
@evinda you don't have to change any commands it's up to you, the input using an algorithm package would be completely different looking more like normal latex input than a code section see the example on site eg:
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Q: algorithmic, arbitrary names for algorithms

ashimThe question is advanced version of my previous one. I need to name algorithms (package algorithmic) with arbitrary names so it appears like: Algorithm MyAlgo and \ref{...} will appear like MyAlgo. Next code is (by cmhughes) puts A in front of a number: \documentclass{article} \usepackage{a...

 
But I could also use listings for pseudocode, right? @DavidCarlisle Or does it look better with algorithmic?
 
@evinda they look very different typically, listings normally looks like code (even if you add some colour and font changes) the algorithm packages typeset pseudocode looking more like math typically
 
10:39 PM
@cassiodoroVicinetti see what I mean: I give you the working document and then mail Frank, then you give him the tick for saying it's hard to fix:-) — David Carlisle 19 secs ago
 
@DavidCarlisle Conspiracy. :(
 
10:58 PM
@DavidCarlisle Now I found a missing %
 
11:09 PM
@egreg 2015 same as ever then
 
@DavidCarlisle :-)
After two weeks, I've finally managed to finish the translation of ONE Fortran function code. Man, ain't they smart those numerical analysts.
 
@percusse how much slower is it?-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Around 3.5 times. Mainly thanks to the cython boost
But to be fair this is not a central library (slicot) so I don't think it represents the BLAS or LAPACK amazingness.
I didn't have to fiddle with memory pointers etc. which I can imagine that the core Fortran routines go those extra miles.
 
@percusse not too bad. I wrote the original convertor that I showed earlier as fortran to c# as for some classes of function it can be a lot faster to convert (even though the code is slower) than to have a wrapper as there is a high cost of marshalling data from .net to the compiled library especially in quadrature routines where it spends forever marshalling the ages then a millisecond taking an average of a few function evaluations then forever marshalling all the data back...
@percusse the core blas routines are written in assember and re-written for each generation of chip instruction the pure fortran implementations are the "slow" ones:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes I can imagine. I've also talked to a few closer-to-the-metal people and they also mentioned similar things. I don't know anything about it but seems like the bottleneck indeed.
@DavidCarlisle Ah I didn't know that. But FFT stuff is just crazy. I'm really amazed.
 
11:23 PM
@DavidCarlisle New Year's Resolution #3: find as many missing % as possible.
 
@egreg don't forget #4: be nice to David
 
@DavidCarlisle Unfortunately I forgot that one, maybe next year.
 
11:39 PM
@egreg perhaps
 
@DavidCarlisle Remember to remember me.
 
11:55 PM
@egreg done:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle A year is long, I'll probably forget. :P You know, memory… What were we talking about?
 
@egreg don't worry google will send us a reminder 10 days before
 

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