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4:54 AM
New nomination: Przemysław Scherwentke.
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5:22 AM
That is an awesome name. Even better than anastasiya-romanova
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It also has the advantage of not breaking election calculation tools that don't like unicode. RECOMMENDED.
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6:30 AM
I see numbers next to first two comments on Daniel Fischer's nomination. Is it normal? (I heard that voting on comments are disabled.)
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@HatMan It means Ilmari Karonen was there.
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Nominations close in about 13 hours!
 
6:45 AM
Culprit?
 
@AhaanS.Rungta The one who voted when one isn't supposed to. (There are two votes for Arthur Fischer's comment)
 
@HatMan It could be anyone from Meta.SE testing the system; perhaps Shadow Wizard. Culprit is too strong a word. I did something similar on Meta to get a badge that wasn't supposed to be awarded.
 
@Behaviour Oops, sorry. I'm not a native English speaker.
 
7:26 AM
@Behaviour But how can Ilmari up-vote a comment twice?
 
It wasn't him voting the second time; see my previous comment.
 
Wow, hat mania must have lite up the star board in here :-)
 
8:03 AM
@Behaviour I see! I thought you only do maths.. Hmm
 
8:25 AM
@skullpatrol I see too many down-votes on questions today....
 
People get hats for down-voting @Integrator
It almost makes me want to take my hat off.
 
8:59 AM
@skullpatrol I know that. I don't ask much questions but I don't like people down-voting for hats.
@skullpatrol Maybe it's because I don't down-vote much.
@skullpatrol I close-vote !
 
The people in charge of the rules for winter bash are rewarding down-voting @Integrator
With or without leaving a comment on why the down-vote
"oh, because I wanted a hat"
>8(
 
9:25 AM
@Integrator: Right, I only cast the first upvote on Arthur's comment. The other upvote, and the one on your comment, are from someone else. If I had to guess, I'd suspect Shadow for the other upvote on Arthur's comment, but I have absolutely no evidence to back that up (except that I'm pretty sure that one was cast earlier than the upvote on your comment).
 
@IlmariKaronen don't worry someone confessed!
 
 
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2:02 PM
I am not going to vote for the candidates not wearing hats.
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;)
 
2:19 PM
What do I need to do to earn a dunce cap?
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HAHAHA @Jyrki
I'd rather cross cap though.
 
3:11 PM
Good luck to everyone in primary voting! Really excited. :)
@MartinSleziak You've been helpful with helping me edit my nomination. Do you think the fact that I did not mention my moderator-positions at edX.org and expii.com would affect me much?
 
@AhaanS.Rungta I am not sure about that. But at least people who visited this chatroom might have seen some more information on your activities.
yesterday, by Spinning Turntable
I believe @AhaanS.Rungta would be a good moderator. I've seen him doing a really great job not only as a TA on edx courses helping students, but also as a brilliant.org moderator. Someone else mentions he was also an AoPS moderator.
 
 
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6:18 PM
Random thing I noticed while looking at the election page: why is the minimum for nomination 724 rep?
 
@IlmariKaronen Because now that we've achieved the max number of nominees to go onto the primary, any new nominee must have at least as much reputation as the present nominee with the least reputation. (Only the top 20 by rep go to the primary.)
 
Gentlemen start your engines!
May the best man win.
Or woman.
 
6:33 PM
@ArthurFischer If if's at least as much, and there is a tie... how do we determine who goes into primary? Deathmatch?
 
@Behaviour "with more than 724 reputation"
 
@ArthurFischer: Ah, of course, that makes perfect sense. *smacks forehead*
 
@Behaviour I hope so! (Actually, it might be that the user who nominated themselves first would go through, at least that is how ties during primaries seem to be handled. But this means that the next nominee should have strictly more rep.)
 
I see. Tiebreaker may be needed anyway, if higher-rep candidates are added later, pushing one of two equally-repped candidates down. So the time of nomination is a tiebreaker there. And the same logic works when a user tries to nominate while being tied for last place: they are a later nominee, so they are out.
> I wish @Thomas picked a more recognizable name/nickname. By my count, there are 66 users named Thomas on the site.
Compare to Przemysław Scherwentke or Anastasiya-Romanova...
 
@Behaviour: Yes ... If elected I will have to think about possibly changing my name.
 
6:47 PM
On the other hand, how many Thomas are active on meta? That would narrow it down a lot.
 
@Thomas "Fischer" seems popular.
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I think only this other Thomas ever posted on Meta.
 
@ArthurFischer: Yeah, I was thinking to go with Thomas Fisher :)
 
@Thomas The 'c' is a must.
 
@Thomas -1 spelling error
 
6:48 PM
@DanielFischer: Something has to set me apart.
 
Lost my vote. Sorry.
 
I wonder if Robert Lipshitz ever regrets the lack of c.
 
Maybe it should be a requirement that all moderators have last names that sounds the same, but are spelled differently.
@ArthurFischer: Yikes, I might as well withdraw my nomination then.
 
@Thomas Please don't! I forget who is in 21st place, but I'm pretty certain they aren't on my list of acceptable choices.
 
> Nominations close in 1 hour
Extra motivation to vote in this election: the Constituent badge is silver, and therefore grants the Werewolf Hunter hat. However, this badge will be given only in the final round, not in the primary.
 
7:27 PM
Yeah, battle of giants !
 
@DanielFischer Looking at your network reputation history it is natural to ask: did you decide to join Math because of reaching 100K on SO? And what will happen when you reach 100K here?
 
@Behaviour No, I joined because a question was deleted on Stack Overflow just as I was finishing to type my answer. A comment under the question suggested the OP asks on Mathematics, so I looked, and there it was. I copied my answer from the deleted SO question and pasted here. Then I somehow stuck on the site.
 
Nice story. Some of the best things are due to chance.
 
If you look closely at the graph, he had ~98.6k rep on SO when joining Math SE.
 
Speaking of rep, I just posted a factoid in Praise room, but it's somehow relevant here too:
in In praise of Math.SE site and its users, 14 mins ago, by Behaviour
Daniel Fischer is the only user on Stack Exchange to have at least 75K reputation on two sites (excluding Meta.SE from the study, because of its special role).
 
7:37 PM
Nominations are gonna close in 22 minutes. Hold tight!
 
7:57 PM
It's 2 minutes now.
 
1 minute and counting...
 
51 seconds!
30!
 
...and the nominations have closed
 
And Dilaton lost his bet.
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8:01 PM
And voted.
We can also downvote.
 
The visible nomination scores do not go below 0, but if you click downvote, it will show -1 for you. It is still 0 for others.
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MJD
Is the nominations page still available? I can't find it.
 
Thomas and Pedro are going to have a fight it seems.
 
MJD
Thank you.
 
8:06 PM
It's a bit annoying that all the comments made on nominations are now hidden away like that...
 
It will remain available throughout the election (and afterwards), but the default tab will switch nominations -> primary -> election.
@NajibIdrissi They are still there, on the nomination tab.
 
@Behaviour Yes I saw, but most people aren't going to see them
 
It's not like they're that hidden. I'm more annoyed that we can't (well, most of us can't ;) vote on the comments.
 
@NajibIdrissi I think this is a good practice, though. Keep the election room free of campaigners.
 
Um, who are the campaigners in that context? The candidates?
 
8:08 PM
@NajibIdrissi The commenters.
 
Okay, sorry. Yes, that makes sense
But on the other hand there were some good points made.
 
How do we vote in the primary?
 
@SimonS Go to this page and vote: math.stackexchange.com/election?cb=1
How did "Way to infinity" nominate himself 11s ago?!
 
You mean by upvoting the text by each candidate?
 
8:13 PM
@SimonS Yes
 
@Najib I go to that page but do not see a mechanism to cast my vote
 
Ok. I have to say, this isn't entirely obvious. Thanks for helping.
 
Congrats to Daniel Fischer on being the first candiate to hit 100 votes
 
Daniel just hit 100
 
NOT OBVIOUS AT ALL
 
8:13 PM
@DanielFischer centuried.
 
I do not think this chat has to become a livechat about watching numbers grow bigger.
 
Seems like it would be simpler to do it from this page elections.stackexchange.com/#math.stackexchange
 
We are bored off watching our clocks, @MikeM :P
 
@JohnD, yes I agree. That page the more helpful info imo
 
@MikeMiller I wasn't planning on making it so
 
8:14 PM
 
@JohnD But that's just a semiofficial statistics page, put together by two SE users.
 
@JohnD @SimonS
 
MJD
Ho hum, the winners are going to be the people with the most reputation, as always. Why even bother to have an election?
 
@DanielFischer I was showing how to vote; besides you can click on the score to see the split
 
@MJD Primary voting just started, it's far too early to jump to conclusions
 
8:16 PM
:19082117 Ah, so much for not reading far enough upwards.
 
Any idea how many candidates pass through the primaries to the actual election or how that will be decided?
 
@J.W.Perry Top 10 candidates advance to the final round (and most importantly, get SE swag)
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(I leave that comment in case it's helpful to someone)
 
@Behaviour Thanks. :)
 
@Behaviour Any intentions on running for mod in the future?
 
MJD
8:17 PM
It's not too early; the available data includes the last two elections also.
 
@Behaviour An SE coffee mug? Clearly I should have nominated.
 
Wasn't there a thread at some point showing that the results were exactly correlated with reputation? (ie most rep = 1st place, 2nd most rep = 2nd place...)
 
An SE donut would also do @MikeMiller
Homeomorphically speaking
 
As much as I love hearing that joke again, I can't drink coffee out of a donut.
 
@MikeMiller I think it's a t-shirt, a hat, a coffee mug, and some stickers.
 
8:20 PM
@Behaviour Hmmmm... when I won I got a T-shirt, a cap, a sticker, and an option for business cards.
 
@ArthurFischer I don't really understand why you would be a moderator if they don't even give you a coffee mug. Ask for a raise.
 
MJD
Business cards for an se moderator seems pretty much useless.
 
@ArthurFischer Thanks, I was mostly guessing based on remembering various threads in various places. Maybe coffee mugs were added recently.
 
I remember a discussion on whether one should have black coffe mugs because the whit ones stain when left with coffee residue. Might have been on MO though.
 
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Q: Mugs, Stickers And Shirts - Now With 100% More MathOverflow!

Tim PostThe MathOverflow Foundation has given Stack Exchange permission to print and ship (at our expense) free gifts for outstanding users of the site that want them, or that will be attending conferences where the items can be used to help promote the site. I'm very pleased to announce the immediate av...

But Top User swag and Moderator swag might be different?
 
8:25 PM
@MikeMiller It's all about reading deleted comments. Lots and lots of deleted comments.
 
@ArthurFischer Good point, but considering all the time you're spending reading them, you need some coffee too.
 
Well, I guess the would give me an MO mug if I would ask nicely. So I can play a mathematician at parties.
 
@Behaviour Could be. We also didn't get a unicorn painting.
 
@ArthurFischer That's more of a Jon Skeet thing than a 200k rep thing, as Joel Spolsky said in one podcast.
 
The most surprising thing for me when I became a mod was that there were no surprise. Exactly those people were troubling that I knew were trouble all along.
 
8:27 PM
@MichaelGreinecker There had to be some new ones. Or resurrected ones.
 
@Behaviour Yeah, there are more subtle ones. But my impression is that we have a bit less drama now. There is more small trash to take out though.
 
@MichaelGreinecker I think we were all surprised about a year ago.
 
The elections page says 24 candidates, I only count 20 including the self nomination of 15 minutes ago. What's that all about?
 
Only the top 20 nominations advance to the primary phase
 
@J.W.Perry It says 20/24 candidates. The four with the least reputation aren't counted.
 
8:30 PM
@J.W.Perry They only keep the top 20 candidates sorted by rep
 
Presumably one of the top 20, the one that somehow nominated past the nomination phase, will be bumped.
 
Ah ok.
 
@NajibIdrissi That's a very handsome crab.
 
Thanks!
 
@MikeMiller I think that candidate is as eligible as they rest. They must have clicked "nominate myself" button before the deadline, and took a long time to type. They are in the running; it's unlikely SE would do anything special about that candidate.
 
Is it possible for a candidate with a non-positive score to advance to the election? Right now there are only 9 candidates with a positive score.
 
(It's so unlikely that one of the candidates he bumped off the list would have been elected, it's not really a big deal anyway)
 
I wonder who Way To Infinity bumped.
 
@JimmyK4542 I think so. The actual score (even negative) is kept by the system, you can find it by looking at the vote split. So it can be used to order all candidates.
 
Hi everyone! So, maybe silly question - I just landed from Mars: How many votes can we cast in the primary phase that is ongoing now?
 
8:35 PM
Is there a grace period after which your vote is binding (as is the case for normal Q&A votes), or are you allowed to withdraw/change your vote until deadline?
 
"After 4 days, the top 10 candidates based on primary vote score proceed onward to the election phase."
 
You can vote once up/down for each candidate
 
@stef It's in the election phase that you have a limited number of votes (3)
 
Ok, thanks @Najib @Jimmy. So now we have one possible for each candidate!
 
@NajibIdrissi I prefer to describe it as a single vote that can be transferred between 3 candidates (1st 2nd and 3rd choices). Single Transferable Vote, as it's called.
@DanielR I think you can change your vote any time during the primary phase.
 
8:40 PM
@Behaviour Interesting, I didn't really think about how it worked (just looked at the wiki page)
 
So far we have only nine candidates with a positive score. If this pattern holds, we'll have someone with a nonpositive score move on (and possibly get gifts from SE), right? That seems a bit silly.
 
The election has been going on for 45min... It's a bit early to tell
 
@epimorphic Imagine what would happen if we could downvote in large political elections.
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I was a bit surprised to see that the voting results were open during the primary. Is this also the case in the election phase?
 
@DanielFischer Shame Did didn't get any cash out of it.
 
8:49 PM
@MikeMiller True.
 
@Behaviour From here it seems like you can change your primary vote within a 3 hour window (unless the candidate edits their nomination). It is a bit old, but I couldn't find anything more recent.
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9:08 PM
@Thomas But then. Afterwards it seems almost irrelevant, as then you would have a diamond as distinctive feature.
@ArthurFischer huh? I never would have thought that as the actual votes can be changed indefinitely.
OTOH these are visible so it makes some sense.
 
@quid: I am sorry, I don't understand?
 
@quid As I said, my reference is a bit old, so perhaps changes have been made. But, yeah, if there weren't some sort of lock users could start trolling the primaries pretty hard.
"Let's all downvote Jyrki Lahtonen!!!"
and then change in a couple days.
 
@ArthurFischer I will quote that out of context some time ;)
 
@DanielFischer What? What? What did you see? Nothing to see! Move along! Move along!
 
@DanielR No, in the final round we don't know the results until the election is over.
 
9:28 PM
@Thomas If you are elected, you will be "Thomas♦" There will be no other Thomas with a diamond.
So then you are easy to identify anyway.
@ArthurFischer Yes. Thinking about it I guess it makes sense. But in the moment I was "huh?" Actually I should check if I am really sure about all votes I already cast.
 
Ah, politics is as much fun here as it is in the real world :)
I have a really dumb, dumb question. Where do we vote?
 
@TedShifrin There's a link to the election page on top of the sidebar. There.
 
Thanks, @Behaviour. I was already there ... I don't see anywhere that says "Click here to vote." :P
 
@TedShifrin The votes are the up- and down-voting arrows.
 
Ohhhhh ... duh ... So all votes are publicly viewable. Makes sense for here.
 
9:35 PM
This is only the primary though. Voting in the actual election is different.
And secret.
 
So is one limited to a certain number of upvotes or downvotes?
I would guess not ...
 
@TedShifrin No, you can upvote or downvote anyone there.
 
Thanks, @Mike and @Behaviour.
 
@TedShifrin It gets limited in the final phase.
 
@TedShifrin In the primaries, you can up or downvote every candidate. In the actual election, you have one vote, which you can assign to three candidates, if your first choice doesn't need your vote, it goes to your second choice, if that doesn't need it either, to the third.
 
9:37 PM
Thanks, @DanielF. I sure wish all this were made explicit on that page.
 
@TedShifrin It is explained somewhere, I'm sure @Behaviour knows where.
 
@DanielFischer In the sidebar of the election page. Which changes with the stage of election.
 
Ah, which changes. Thanks @Behaviour.
Before the secondary election, will we have a televised debate?
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@TedShifrin Fortunately not. I would have to shave for that. Ugh.
 
According to GraceNote "users are able to change their vote at any time in both the primary and election phases. ".
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9:42 PM
Not at all, @DanielF. You can appear as grumpy and scruffy as you like :)
Thanks, all!
 
So, first we had informal pre-nominations and could vote on those. Then there are actual nominations, and we vote on those. Then there are candidates' answers to the questionnaire and we can vote on those too. Will anyone have energy left to vote in the actual election?
 
@Behaviour Shhh... don't reveal the secret of our monarchy here...
@MichaelGreinecker We can be thankful that we are out of those phases ;-)
 
@MichaelGreinecker though it seems more like a passing remark. I would not bet on that being the case.
 
10:14 PM
Wouldn't it be better if the voters can't see who has how many votes?

This would remove the positive bias effect, that is so often misguiding people.

Thanks.
 
10:29 PM
Or better yet, just pick a random integer between -1000 and +1000 for each nominee's score every time the page loads.
 
No. I'm going to make it even worse with a bookmarklet that scrapes the primary page and shows the candidates ordered by current score. Mwahaha.
Not bothering with ajax requests to fetch the negative scores. At the moment, 9 candidates have positive score.
 
@Shog9 That would be a possibilty, but I think it is unneded. It could bias people towards choosing the +1000 people without thinking that much. That would mean that the votes will be spread out based on a random process, and not their competency.
 
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Q: Do not show the score for users during primaries

badpI believe that showing the post score for nomination posts during primaries is a bad idea. When I loaded the primaries page during the election, the first thing I saw was a post voted -1. This immediately colored my impression of the post. Reading his post didn't indeed make me wish he was a mod...

 
@Shog9 A thread with no reaction from SE whatsoever.
 
Responding might skew the voting
 
10:39 PM
Well maybe this just reflects my dissatisfaction with all election systems I have encountered yet. It is really sad that such a important thing has such an awful implementation.
(not in this case, sorry about the off topic)
:D
 
9 users with positive scores so far... Daniel Fischer : 350 // Jyrki Lahtonen : 265 // Pedro Tamaroff : 212 // Thomas : 133 // Jack D'Aurizio : 131 // Ilmari Karonen : 128 // Arkamis : 106 // Shaun : 23 // mookid : 14
 
Cool.
Interestingly, the ordering does not agree entirely with reputation.
 
Something to keep in mind: the primary phase isn't intended to be particularly accurate or unbiased. It's only purpose is to get the number of candidates down to something manageable - anything better than "pick the top 10 users by reputation" is good enough.
 
MJD
Do the top 10 candidates advance to the election even if some of those 10 have negative scores in the primary phase?
 
Cautionary tale. In recent Server Fault election, the primary results were as follows. Sven : 535 // Ward : 363 // HBruijn : 346 // Falcon Momot : 285 // HopelessN00b : 89..... Those in bold were elected.
Way to infinity is out:
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A: How did a candidate nominate themselves after the deadline?

Shog9Apparently there's a grace period on the nomination cut-off. I'm also inclined to consider that a bug, albeit one we haven't really had to worry about much. For the time being, I've left the nominee a polite "better luck next time" and removed him from the running, as strictly-speaking he should...

 
10:48 PM
Hi everyone
I was looking at the up and downvotes and notices most people have more downvotes then upvotes.
This was a bit shocking to me.
I got more downvotes then upvotes !
First I felt insulted but it seems normal ...
 
@MJD Yes. In the Server Fault election that I mentioned (it was just a couple of weeks ago), 8 candidates had positive scores in the primary. 10 went into the final round. The negative scores are kept and used to sort the candidates, even though they are not displayed on the page by default.
 
MJD
You shouldn't feel insulted; you were obviously unqualified.
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@MJD But apparantly most are unqualified ....
makes it a bit absurd not ?
 
MJD
Next time there will be slightly stricter standards on who can be nominated.
 
Since anyone can nominate themselves, its easy to have more than half the candidates be unqualified.
 
10:53 PM
But how do you know Im unqualified ??
It is said its not a matter or reputation and math skills ...
But when I look at the votes the correlation of rep and skills is strong !
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more rep = more upvotes
 
MJD
If you wanted to do the work of a moderator, you could have been doing it already, by raising flags and patrolling the review queues. But you didn't do that.
 
I did about 80 reviews i think ... not much , but not none
I understand that " activity " is an argument for moderator , but perhaps if someone is a moderator , it will stimulate them to be " active ".
Haha @MJD : noting is a clever thing to say + active on chat :p
:)
 
I don't elect my prime minister on the off chance it'll give him the enthusiasm he needs to rise to the challenge.
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@AméricoTavares goodevening
@DanielRust what is your pic ?
 
@mick Good evening!
 
11:02 PM
@mick It's a 2d projection of a 3d slice of a 4d Julia set.
 
@DanielRust I thought so. But of what function ?
 
@mick I can't remember. It's been a while (~6 years) since I made it.
 
AND .... is it famous ? :p
pity
 
The voting has started. Out of curiosity, does anybody know why I have -7 votes despite the fact that I am a much stronger candidate than many of those who have 0? Also how did some people get 300 votes in just a few hours? :o
 
@AhaanS.Rungta Perhaps their stronger point is humility.
More seriously, nobody has exactly 0. Click on the number to see the actual count of votes. The page does not show negative counts by default.
 
11:18 PM
Im underrated !! :)
goodbye
 
11:35 PM
@AhaanS.Rungta I have bought my voters with sandwiches and videos of cats.
 
11:47 PM
Phew, questions answered. Now I can finally go to sleep.
 
@Behaviour Thanks for the response. I didn't mean to be immodest. Rather, I was wondering about how votes are done.
@PedroTamaroff Funny. =P
How do @PedroTamaroff and @JyrkiLahtonen have negative votes? People expressing jealousy and foul play? Wow.
 
@AhaanS.Rungta Some people might disagree with our postulations. That's fine.
 
@AhaanS.Rungta Sorry, but this remark lowers my opinion of your nomination even further. A moderator (and not only a moderator) should be able to understand and accept that someone may disagree with the ideas and people dear to you, without ascribing foul motives.
 
A candidate does improve his/her chances of winning (very slightly) by downvoting everyone else. Also, I'm sure there are plenty of trolls who have the 150 rep needed to cast a vote. That said, it is possible that someone believes PedroTamaroff and/or JyrkiLahtonen wouldn't make a good moderator for some reason.
 
MJD
I downvoted all of them, just to keep anyone from getting a swelled head.
 

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