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user116848
3:00 PM
Maybe it is wrong ^
 
Anonymous
@Arrowfar Because "non-land mollusk" is likely to be interpreted as "marine mollusk" or "freshwater mollusk" or even "sky mollusk"
 
user116848
yeah
 
user116848
@snailboat I had a book of mollusk when I was a kid. It had some very nice photos. Like that in National Geographic magazine! :D
 
user116848
Someone had given it to me.
 
user116848
I also had a book of whales.
 
user116848
3:07 PM
I used to compare whale sizes with buildings in my mind.
 
Whales are sure big!
 
user116848
Yes, they are!
 
user116848
I am 27-28 now. I don't think I'll look good doing any parkour moves :-)
 
user116848
But I can do the ninja roll.
 
user116848
Yay!
 
user116848
3:10 PM
I tried doing handstand. But couldn't.
 
Ninja roll? Sounds delicious!
 
user116848
haha
 
user116848
I think parkour is mainly teenagers stuff
 
user116848
I am too old for that.
 
user116848
Or maybe not young enough.
 
user116848
3:12 PM
But running is ageless.
 
user116848
What should I write instead of 'ageless'?
 
Anonymous
I dunno. :-)
 
Anonymous
Running is something you can do at any age!
 
user116848
Yeah, that!
 
Oh, I was tricked into trying to come up with a single word!
 
user116848
3:14 PM
@DamkerngT. where?
 
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. I tried, but only for about half a second before I gave up
 
user116848
Oh, here. I see.
 
@Arrowfar In place of 'ageless'.
 
user116848
So, when I googled 'ageless' I found this LOL:
 
user116848
 
3:15 PM
Oh, I guessed right!
 
user116848
haha
 
(It kept spinning for a few seconds before the image came up. :-)
 
user116848
@DamkerngT. LOL
 
user116848
Should I delete that image?
 
user116848
It's okay I guess.
 
user116848
3:17 PM
It says: "Ageless" :-)
 
I guess so. :-)
 
user116848
I think it is from some anti-aging cream.
 
user116848
Enough of this! :-)
 
Very popular, and very expensive!
 
user116848
yeah.
 
3:21 PM
Wow, finally, we have the deleted answer undeleted in the bounty question!
Oh, we now have two bounty questions. Whatever, I'm sure we all know which question I was talking about.
 
Anonymous
Only one had a long-deleted answer!
 
Anonymous
:-)
 
It's a long long-deleted answer!
> A sentence is the maximum chunk.
I don't like to think like that. I think there are bigger chunks than sentences.
 
Anonymous
Probably.
 
Anonymous
Sentences are actually kind of imaginary.
 
Anonymous
3:25 PM
In speech, we don't necessarily divide things that cleanly.
 
Anonymous
If two different people transcribed the same speech, it's possible they could come up with a different number of sentences :-)
 
@snailboat I find that very often!
 
Anonymous
I'm probably going to give the bounty to that answer, but I'm going to wait and see how they edit it
 
Anonymous
Very long answers, in my experience, usually require some revision
 
I still haven't read it through.
I'm not sure if the term "Intonational Phrases" is standard; I hope it is.
 
Anonymous
3:32 PM
It is.
 
Anonymous
It's a modern linguistics term, not a traditional one.
 
Anonymous
But it's in rather widespread use.
 
Anonymous
Even by me!
 
Anonymous
Sep 11 at 10:44, by snailboat
@DamkerngT. I think they'd typically be part of the same intonational phrase
 
@snailboat Oh, indeed!
It's strange to me that they choose to name it intonational phrase.
 
user116848
3:34 PM
It's OK to write "Because" after a period, right?
 
user116848
Because I write it.
 
I think it's like and, or, or but.
 
user116848
People use "And" after a period though.
 
However, I think I would avoid knocking a because-clause out of its main clause in formal writing.
 
user116848
I mean, like here:
 
user116848
3:36 PM
in English Language & Usage, 49 mins ago, by Arrowfar
@Mitch Yeah. So I used to like doing sprints, but I lost that habit. Because sometimes it was too crampy afterwards if I didn't stretch properly.
 
Anonymous
@Arrowfar Yes. That doesn't mean you should always divide things up that way, though.
 
user116848
@snailboat I see
 
Anonymous
 
Anonymous
 
Anonymous
See, Iwasaki introduces the term Intonation Phrase, but then goes on to call it an Intonation Unit, and he sticks with that term for the rest of the discussion
 
3:39 PM
Oh, I found a typo in there! "Figure 5. Different phrasing patters"
 
Anonymous
Every single book I have on Japanese has typos.
 
@snailboat Eh?
 
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. I don't know. I think people who write books on Japanese are bad at proofreading. :-)
 
That's weird. :-)
 
Anonymous
Right? I have no idea why :-)
 
3:41 PM
Long time no see! :) My father recharged my internet just now!
 
Hi!
 
@DamkerngT. hi!
 
@snailboat It would be nice if they included pitch contours like Figure 7 in ELL books!
> Notice as well, that I said nothing about any pauses between the clauses. There is not likely to be a pause after sons in example (2). Sure, we could put a pause in there, but in actual fact, it's rather unlikely. It is most likely to happen if the relative clause is an afterthought.
I guess I don't agree with this part.
On the other hand, I'm not very sure they were making a case for that specific example or making a case for non-restrictive clauses in general.
> The pitch will usually drop considerably so that the relative clause is said at a much lower pitch than the rest of the sentence. This makes it clearly separate in some way from words surrounding it. However, this will not happen in sentences (1) or (2)!
I also doubt this.
Oh, I just realized that the question might not be symmetrical. I mean, if we asked what intonations in real speech will result in the two example sentences, we might get one kind of answers, but if we asked what intonations people would use when reading the two sentences, we might get another kind of answers.
All in all, I like his last conclusion.
 
4:24 PM
Lots of typographic terms inside!
 
 
1 hour later…
5:40 PM
I stumbled upon this sentence: Many patients worldwide continue to have typical influenza symptoms and full recovery within a week. It was used as an error correction problem. I think there was no error, but the poster said full recovery within a week wasn't good; they said it should read ...and fully recover within a week, which of course, sounds better.
They explained that the sentence needed another verb after and because it joined two clauses. However, I think it joined the two noun phrases, typical influenza symptoms and full recovery. I looked up CGEL on coordination; it did talk about asymmetric coordination which implies that one coordinate takes place before the other, e.g. he had breakfast and got up (cf. he got up and had breakfast).
It doesn't mention this kind of case in particular. So I wonder if such coordination works in this case, where and joins two noun phrases, too? Or does and have to join two clauses for this to work?
 
Anonymous
6:03 PM
You can coordinate all sorts of things.
 
Anonymous
> have [ typical influenza symptoms ] and [ full recovery within a week ]
 
Anonymous
> [ have typical influenza symptoms ] and [ fully recover within a week ]
 
A-ha
 
Anonymous
@Arrowfar You made your icon cute! :-)
 
Anonymous
I think it's General Reference that in such contexts, should refers to things you ought to do/have done, or that might happen/have happened (but there's always at least a possibility that what should have happened didn't actually happen). On the other hand, must denotes things that cannot be otherwise (if you must do something, you simply don't have the option of not doing it). — FumbleFingers 21 mins ago
 
user116848
6:05 PM
@snailboat Thanks! :D
 
Anonymous
It's a small thing, but I wish we could keep "General Reference" out of ELL
 
Anonymous
We do have "Basic questions on spelling, meaning or pronunciation are off-topic as they should be answered using a dictionary. See: Policy for questions that are entirely answerable with a dictionary"
 
Anonymous
But it's not the same thing as GR.
 
Anonymous
I don't really like the GR close reason on English.SE
 
Anonymous
I would rather not see the same sort of thinking on ELL
 
Anonymous
6:06 PM
I think in that comment FumbleFingers was using "GR" as shorthand for "Entirely answerable with a dictionary"
 
Anonymous
So I'm quibbling over details . . . but still
 
I thought it might not be possible to do that just because the coordination is asymmetric. I guess that's not the case. Thanks!
 
Anonymous
@Fantasier In what way is it asymmetric?
 
@snailboat Well, one can't have recovery before symptoms, right?
 
Anonymous
Coordination in English often has a weak ordering implicature
 
Anonymous
6:09 PM
"I went to the store and bought some donuts." ← It is very unlikely that I bought donuts and then went to the store
 
Anonymous
"I got really tired and came home from work." ← It is very unlikely that I came home from work and then got really tired
 
Anonymous
The unmarked order for coordinates in sequence is in time order, A and (then) B
 
Ah... I see.
 
user116848
6:22 PM
You guys wanna hear a funny sounding song?
 
user116848
 
user116848
It is in Spanish.
 
user116848
It sounds funny to me.
 
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