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2:28 AM

@PeterTurner That doesn't align any version of history I'm familiar with, in particular I find it impossible to reconcile with the Wikipedia article on The Holy Roman Empire. Ignoring the academics is just not credible - England's clerics were overwhelmingly trained in England, so when it came to the Church, the direction that Oxford took on these matters, England would eventually follow.

with regards to Tyndale, perhaps you're not familiar with the fact that with regard to his "The Obedience of a Christian Man [: when it] fell into the hands of Henry VIII, the king found the rationale to break the Church in England from the Roman Catholic Church in 1534." - source

3:15 AM

Hey guys!

howdy

How popular is the subject of evolution on this site?

Daи

3:27 AM

@TRiG interesting edit + purge ;)

@bruisedreed I think the power of the Catholic Church has always been in the fact that the common man is the one who keeps her traditions. A good and Godly priest I know said he'd rather my wife and I raise our children to raise more Catholic children than prep them for religious life.

and I think it's within my rights as a internet citizen to question the abundance of "David Daniel" links on that wikipedia site. That guy is obsessed with Tyndale, probably thinks he invented pants as well.

@J.Musser the topic certainly gets a run from time to time

yeah, the top questions are on evolution I think

@PeterTurner "probably thinks he invented pants as well." - lol!

I'm a creationist, from the Gardening and Landscaping site. But I only wondered, because all answers posted on Biology, from a creationists point of view, get deleted. :(

3:34 AM

@J.Musser generally you're not supposed to even ask a question that could have a creationist answer and a... regular (for lack of a better term) answer.

I used to participate a lot on the gardening site. Is it ever going to get out of the beta?

@PeterTurner Questions like 'why is this animal this way?'

@PeterTurner If only it were so - but just how can the 'common man' really keep the tradition of the church when the liturgy is actually incomprehensible to him - at best he's only satisfying some superstitious impulse and acting the best he can according to his conscience (maybe this last explains why it's a good idea - he doesn't necessarily follow the example of hypocritical clergy)

Now questions that promote creationism get closed as 'primarily opinion based', and then get deleted.

@J.Musser yeah, that's what the powers that be would call a "Truth Question" and those are quaesitum non grata

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@PeterTurner Yeah, I have 14.8k there, and am hoping that it graduates soon. Most of the initial supporters are gone, 24 off the front page, leaving 13.

J. Musser, Lancaster, Pennsylvania

14.9k 6 23 77

I counted you as gone, cause you really aren't doing anything. The worst is bstpierre, who doesn't do anything either.

@PeterTurner There should be a real biology site.

3:40 AM

@J.Musser I think if the question said "According to proponents of Y.E.C. why are dogs so friendly" you'd be OK (as long as the answer can include tobit)

Yeah, I'm a bit of a bum, my garden is just doing really good (except for the Japanese beetles)

@bruisedreed I'm not sure that people found Christ so incomprehensible then as they find Christianity incomprehensible today.

@J.Musser you mean like an intelligent design site?

@PeterTurner Well, a biology site for those who need the real explanation. It seems a lot of biology has to do with evolution, on the regular site.

4:10 AM

@PeterTurner or @MattGutting ... I'm still not sold on the necessity for Catholics to believe in a literal Adam and Eve. Fr. Barron (of word on fire / the Catholicism series) heavily suggests on more than one instance that Genesis is not to be taken literally... The implication of which is pretty directly extended to Adam and Eve.

Are there any sources you're aware if that make the statement dogmatic and binding?

... I'm poking both of you because I seem to recall you both gave answers and comments on recent questions to the effect of the belief in a literal Adam and Eve being binding.

Anonymous

4:28 AM

Is there anybody who writes about Christian ethics for non-believers? Not that people would ever do such a thing, but still... if it's possible for Buddhists to share Buddhist ethics or thought process, then maybe it's possible for Christians to share the same and provide a way to deal with life.

@svidgen, me neither. I've been thinking it and I'll possibly utter heresy here (don't tell your children this). But if God made Adam in His Image and what this means is God made our Soul in His Image (he has no physical body, so it's not like God pulled His reflection out of His mirror and created man.)

So the heresy I'm pondering is, could it mean that God created human nature in Adam and Eve, and the people with Immortal Souls are their descendents. There were others, but they've gotten absorbed into the fold though marriage.

I was thinking about this yesterday and it probably is why some people thought women didn't have souls, but that's not a necessary conclusion...

But it's definitely why people would doubt as to whether pygmies have souls. But that's not a necessary conclusion either.

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@anonymous have you ever read E.F. Schumacher (A Guide for the Perplexed)? He as a Jew who converted to Catholicism before his death (much to the consternation of his family and friends). But his books have as much Buddhism as they do Christiantiy.

@PeterTurner ... Pygmies?!

@svidgen missing the plugin on my linux computer, hopefully I can make it out from the comments....

4:38 AM

@PeterTurner blasphemy!

@svi yeah, well you'd wonder if a group was never touched by civilization whether or not they were descendents of Adam and Eve. That would be Objection #4 if I were writing a very bad summa.

Gah ... Children are awake! Someone make my children go back to sleep..

@svidgen oofta, it's pretty late for wee ones. Hey barring sickness or general business, we'll probably go to the All Saints Party in Pine Bluff this year, hopefully I'll see you and your family there.

In the meantime, I really want to find the answer to that question.

@PeterTurner I'll look into it. (The party.) I'm not one for parties myself. But the wife might motivate me to go!

Bruce Alderman

4:56 AM

@J.Musser Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution -- Theodosius Dobzhansky, who was a world-class entomologist and a Russian Orthodox Christian.

Oops, that link just goes to a paper discussion Dobzhansky's talk. Here's a link to the original‌.

catholic.com/tracts/adam-eve-and-evolution

Meant to tag @Peter on that link.

5:19 AM

And then there's this. catholicreview.org/article/work/…