English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

@Robusto Well, anyone who who has seen me around here for a while knows I have repeatedly been claiming to be 1) married, and 2) 39. Two reasons to assume that if I claim to be 10, not to accept that claim to be true :P

Jasper Loy

@oerkelens You also told us some interesting stories about the Indian girl.

Robusto

@oerkelens Well, but you might claim you're not a murderer at every opportunity, but if you walk into a police station and confess don't be surprised if they lock you up.

oerkelens

@JasperLoy yup. Now I have heard things from Icegirl that would not make me believe that she is 10 - and I wonder why someone would take that claim seriously...

tchrist

7:20 PM

@JasperLoy Once upon a time . . . and she lived happily ever after.

Jasper Loy

@oerkelens Anyway, you have not answered us. What did she say in the email?

oerkelens

@JasperLoy She said she was asked about her age, she replied she was ten, then her accounts where deleted after a mod said she was a child.

Jasper Loy

@oerkelens Ah, that settles it. QED.

oerkelens

Well, I would find it very strange if that were the whole stroy

Jasper Loy

What more would we need?

Account was deleted after explanation was given, end of story.

oerkelens

7:23 PM

@JasperLoy So you are suggesting that it is normal that people are looking for ereasons to kick people off the site?

Jasper Loy

@oerkelens In this case, some mod probably saw that she said she was 10 and then decided to take action.

oerkelens

If that is indeed the whole stroym I would love to get some confirmation from a moderator that this is considered normal prcatice.

Jasper Loy

They even asked her to confirm she was 10, so they have done their part.

tchrist

@oerkelens You don’t need that. It’s in the Fine Print, and on MetaMeta.

oerkelens

@JasperLoy You have that information? I can't find it anywhere?

tchrist

7:25 PM

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Q: Are moderators required to report users younger than 13?

Users younger than 13 are deleted immediately once SE is informed about the case. The reason for this is COPPA, the US law intended to protect children online. The guidelines as far as I understand them for me as a moderator are that I should report such users to SE, and they'll use a special de...

Jasper Loy

@oerkelens Hmm, I am not sure where minimum age is found.

tchrist

It's important to note that our minimum required age is a direct consequence of the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA). — Jon Ericson ♦ Jul 17 at 4:51

Jasper Loy

OK, that link settles it.

oerkelens

@tchrist But there is no actual reason to assume she is ten.

Jasper Loy

@oerkelens She said so herself.

tchrist

7:26 PM

Ipsa dixit.

oerkelens

And everything someone says in chat is the absolute truth?

tchrist

This is pointless and worse.

Jasper Loy

In this case, what she says in the email matters, QED.

oerkelens

@JasperLoy She said in the email (that I have) that she lied about being ten.

Jasper Loy

That email is hard evidence of her age as far as SE implementation is concerned.

oerkelens

7:27 PM

I do not know what email you refer to

@JasperLoy You have an email I do not know about>?

tchrist

@oerkelens Then she is an idiot.

Jasper Loy

@oerkelens The email in which she told them she was 10, as you mentioned and I inferred.

tchrist

This is simply wasted words.

All of it.

oerkelens

@JasperLoy She says that she lied about being ten after she was asked about her age in chat

tchrist

You will not get the mod team to speak of a moderation action like this. Ever.

And without knowledge, it is nothing but a tale told by an idiot full of sound and fury signifying nothing.

Jasper Loy

7:29 PM

7 mins ago, by oerkelens

@JasperLoy She said she was asked about her age, she replied she was ten, then her accounts where deleted after a mod said she was a child.

tchrist

Dust in the wind.

oerkelens

@tchrist I understand that. That is why I asked if anyone knew anything. But I am negatively surprised that it is deemed normal to remove a user-account for the simple fact that someone obviously lies about their age.

@JasperLoy Yes - that happened supposed ly in chat

Jasper Loy

Anyway, I am 32, for those interested in my age. I am also male and straight and available, lol.

tchrist

And if you get pissy about it, then that wind will inevitably turn against the pisser to leave that person all wet and smelling nasty.

Jasper Loy

@oerkelens It's not obvious, I believed she was 10.

tchrist

7:31 PM

@oerkelens We can’t know what happened.

Jasper Loy

I also think skullpatrol is a 50 year old man.

oerkelens

@JasperLoy ok. It never occurred to you that the questions she asked, the articles she was reading, even though her question may have been basic, were a bit much for a ten-year-old?

Jasper Loy

@oerkelens She could be very smart. I guessed she was 16 at first.

tchrist

Bah.

Jasper Loy

Anyway, you can always tell her to create a new account now.

oerkelens

7:32 PM

@tchrist Correct. It is, however, the assumption that an obvious lie is justly punished with immediate deletion, that makes me feel strange.

Jasper Loy

@oerkelens Obvious to you but not to others.

oerkelens

@JasperLoy Well, I guess I am a freaking genius in guessing age. Something new learned every day.

tchrist

@oerkelens We do not know that that is truly the sum total of all that happened or what the reasons or thinking was, nor can we. Speculation is destructive.

Jasper Loy

Ah he left suddenly.

user116848

Hi! folks

Jasper Loy

7:36 PM

Hello @marantou welcome to this chat.

tchrist

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Q: How do I use Stack Exchange if I'm under 13 years old?

I was just reading the Terms of Service, and noticed something: Subscriber certifies to Stack Overflow that if Subscriber is an individual (i.e., not a corporate entity), Subscriber is at least 13 years of age. No one under the age of 13 may provide any personal information to or on...

discussion faq-proposed legal terms-of-service age

user116848

@oerkelens Hi there. Have you met icegirl, I mean personally?

oerkelens

@tchrist It has nothing to do with speculation. It is the very black and white ïf you say you are ten you deserve punishment that sickens me.

tchrist

@oerkelens Then go post something on metameta to that effect. This is Not Constructive.

Jasper Loy

@oerkelens Well, I don't see it as a punishment. It's just the law trying to protect children online.

oerkelens

7:39 PM

Except of course, in the case that I am really the only one that does not believe she is ten based on her history on ELL, ELU and chat.

tchrist

If you must take someone’s word that they are of age, you must also take their word that they are not. End of story. Waste of air.

oerkelens

@JasperLoy Applying that law when someone lies about their age feels like punishment and is the same as punishment for all intents and purposes.

Robusto

@tchrist No one can prevent them from reading it. That is how to use it.

tchrist

@oerkelens Please move this discussion to Meta.SE where it belongs.

oerkelens

@tchrist ok, clear. So why not take her word for her studying as a translator. Why not take her word (in publicly accessible chatrooms) that she just came out of a 5-year relationship?

Jasper Loy

7:40 PM

@oerkelens The conclusion then is that she should not have lied about her age. The solution is to ask her to create a new account or say she lied and try to restore the old accounts.

oerkelens

Anyway, you are right, too much breath wasted.

better things to do now.

bye

Jasper Loy

@oerkelens No, it is not wasted. It is a reasonable discussion.

Robusto

So is "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?"

Jasper Loy

1 min ago, by Jasper Loy

@oerkelens The conclusion then is that she should not have lied about her age. The solution is to ask her to create a new account or say she lied and try to restore the old accounts.

That is all I have to say. QED.

Robusto

Why QED in that instance? Why not LOL?

Jasper Loy

7:42 PM

Because this is serious, LOL.

tchrist

@Robusto He’s been lolligagged.

Robusto

ouch

If @Martha were here, she'd THWACK! you.

Jasper Loy

I think I will go take a shit and a shower.

Robusto

Thanks for sharing.

marantou

7:55 PM

@JasperLoy: Hi! I keep barging in here when heated discussions going on ...nasty habbit

tchrist

@Robusto He forgot the other two matinal sh- rituals.

@marantou Isn’t that Gollum said? :)

> Then presently he heard, not far ahead, a hissing murmur. ‘Fissh, nice fissh. White Face has vanished, my precious, at last, yes. Now we can eat fish in peace. No, not in peace, precious. For Precious is lost; yes, lost. Dirty hobbits, nasty hobbits. Gone and left us, gollum; and Precious is gone. . . .’

marantou

....Habit!...habit...I stand corrected:) I 'm not sure what Gollum said about nasty habits...

tchrist

Dirty ones, too.

He’s saying that all dirty habits are nasty habits, not clean and sweet like his precious fisheses.

Gollum, the sashimi connoisseur.

marantou

:D

user116848

tchrist you watched The Hobbits?

tchrist

8:04 PM

@Arrowfar I try, but they are elusive to the unclever eyes of us Big Folk.

user116848

haha

user116848

marantou you know oerkelens?

tchrist

I keep reading Manitou.

user116848

:)

tchrist

Discuss:

Thank you for your time.I saw consist with in some English Philosophy books.Besides, if I was an English native speaker, I wouldn't post any Q here. — user85588 2 hours ago

No fewer than five minor things are of note there, and at least one major one.

AnotherUser

8:21 PM

Is Meta a good place to ask if a specific question is on-topic?

Jasper Loy

You can always post the question on main and hope it does not get closed. That saves time.

AnotherUser

It's about a question that I posted already, that got closed

That I think is actually pretty on topic

tchrist

@JasperLoy But not pain.

AnotherUser

@tchrist Well said

tchrist

@AnotherUser Then yes, it is right for you to post about it to ELU.meta.

Jasper Loy

8:23 PM

@AnotherUser Ah, then you should raise a request on meta for it to be reopened.

AnotherUser

Alrighty then.

Any specific tags for that, or should I just let the mods retag it as necessary?

Jasper Loy

What is this alrighty indeedy thing? It sounds gay.

AnotherUser

It's just a thing that people say, LOL

Jasper Loy

OKy, lol.

AnotherUser

Though you're right, I don't think I would ever use "indeedy" :0

Jasper Loy

8:25 PM

A girl I liked used email addy.

AnotherUser

What's that supposed to mean?

Jasper Loy

Email address.

AnotherUser

Why do we let regular people use English? ....they'll ruin it eventually :(

tchrist

@JasperLoy It sounds casual, not metrosexual.

It is probably illegal in your country.

Jasper Loy

@jez How is your dating experience?

Mitch

8:30 PM

@JasperLoy It's from Ace Ventura (Jim Carrey) He used it a lot.

Jez

meh. im seriously cynical about most women on dating sites tbh. ive been reading how many use those dates to get free meals.

Jasper Loy

@Mitch His movies are usually not funny, just stupid.

@Jez Haha. Time to make girls pay for dates.

Mitch

@Jez OMG! best idea ever!

@JasperLoy They're hilarious if you're a 13 year old boy.

Jez

@JasperLoy yeah right, good luck with that

tchrist

@JasperLoy With or without coconut glazing?

Jasper Loy

8:31 PM

@Jez I still have never ever dated, lol.

Jez

@JasperLoy probably for the best. western society is totally gynocentric anyway

Mitch

@tchrist mmm... so good...

@JasperLoy get out. make friends first.

tchrist

Libera me, Domine

@Mitch make out. get friends first.

Mitch

@Jez I read that as 'gonorrheic'. pretty cynical either way.

Jasper Loy

@Mitch I am also still a virgin, lol.

tchrist

8:33 PM

@JasperLoy Once, twice, or thrice?

Mitch

@tchrist make first. get out friends.

Jasper Loy

@tchrist Always.

tchrist

@Mitch get friends: first make out.

Mitch

@JasperLoy There's something to be said for arranged marriages. also for tribes warrrig each other in the Amazon whose sole purpose is to kill the men in the other tribe and abduct their women.

Jez

the sad fact i've realized is this: men like Quagmire both have by far the most fun with women, and they're the kind of men women want (on average)

Jasper Loy

8:36 PM

@Mitch I still like this girl I met on SE, but she already has a stead, maybe even married...

tchrist

Here comes another three-hour misogynist rant.

Matt Эллен

@Jez you are a card.

Jez

@tchrist didn't know you did them

tchrist

@MattЭллен And a perfectly predictable one at that.

Matt Эллен

indeed

Jasper Loy

8:38 PM

indeedy

tchrist

@MattЭллен We seem to have three digits here; I don’t imagine you’d be interested in taking one off our hands?

Jasper Loy

I am now drinking water.

Matt Эллен

@tchrist sorry, I'm not getting what you're alluding to

tchrist

@MattЭллен Fahrenheit.

Matt Эллен

oh! wow, that sounds hot

tchrist

8:41 PM

Hence my offer. :)

Matt Эллен

it's hot and humid here, too

tchrist

I know you can’t down a hot offer.

Matt Эллен

I am one of those who likes it hot, it's true

tchrist

Well, the humidity is down to 20%. I’d much rather it were 4%.

Jez

screw hot, give me A/C anyday

Matt Эллен

8:42 PM

I think we could manage a few more degrees, the sun's gone down

Mitch

a hot one

tchrist

The rule is that temperature plus humidity should sum to less than 100 for optimal comfort. You can subtract your speed from that if driving with the windows rolled down.

Jez

oh this is hilarious

Jasper Loy

I think I will probably be single this life.

Jez

►

Crazy Russian Hacker invents room cooler that is a suicide machine

Mitch

8:43 PM

@Jez what latitude are you at?

Jez

lol

@Mitch erm, not sure, whatever central England is

Mitch

SO ho win god's name do you want A/C instead of heat?

Matt Эллен

the outside temp is exactly Very Pleasant

Jez

@Mitch i didn't know your federal government took requests

@Mitch it's pretty hot and humid here at the moment, we've been having thunderstorms as a result

Mitch

@Jez direct supply. From the .. suppliers.

Like the Ukrainian plane-shooter-downers.

@Jez fans and screens. you only need A/C one or two days out of the year.

user116848

8:46 PM

When someone is teaching us something, and we don't get what they just explained can we say: "No I didn't get that"?

user116848

Or any other good phrases?

tchrist

@Mitch Funny how shooter-uppers and shooter-downers are the same in this case.

Mitch

@Arrowfar To your teacher? Maybe a "Sorry, I didn't follow'

tchrist

@Mitch What are you screening?

Jez

@tchrist just like beating people up and down

tchrist

8:47 PM

Huh?

Mitch

@tchrist bugs.

tchrist

What?

user116848

@Mitch Thanks. Any other good phrases?

tchrist

I don’t get it.

I missed that.

Mitch

@Arrowfar Yeah: "I gotta go see a man about a dog"

user116848

8:47 PM

What? :D

tchrist

@Mitch Buggery should be crime. I need no screens.

Mitch

@Arrowfar ha ha. it's a good phrase, just not for what you want.

tchrist

Répétez s’il vous plaît ou bien même s’il ne vous plaît pas.

user116848

@Mitch Yeah. That's what I thought :D

Mitch

Here's another: "You can't have your cake and eat it too"

or "Chiggers can't be boozers"

user116848

8:50 PM

@Mitch So "No I didn't get that" is also okay, right?

Mitch

Sure. The 'no' might be a little strong to a teacher. Unless they are asking directly "Did you understand that?" Then it's perfectly fine.

tchrist

@Mitch You used the che-word!!! Don’t you know how unPC that is now? The preferred term is now jigger. Besides, it drinks better that way.

@Mitch Never ask someone whether they’ve understood something. Ever.

user116848

So "No I didn't get that" type sentences are expressions or phrases or just sentences?

tchrist

Ask them what they’ve understood.

Mitch

@tchrist WHy not? because they'll explain?

tchrist

8:53 PM

Otherwise people will just say yes because they think that’s what you want to hear.

You must ask them a question that provokes a response which demonstrates their understanding.

Mitch

@tchrist Oh. Yeah. But sometimes it language is just to make everyone feel better that they're responding.

tchrist

@Mitch So, lying.

user116848

@Mitch "No I didn't get that" type sentences are expressions or phrases or just sentences?

tchrist

@Arrowfar Define each of those three terms, and you will find that you already know the answer to your own question.

user116848

Let me look up....

tchrist

8:57 PM

This is the kind of answer that demonstrates why they poisoned Socrates.

Jasper Loy

I think they should not say SE is a place for "experts", lol. It's just like any other site on the internet.

tchrist

@JasperLoy Yahoo.

user116848

It seems it falls in all of the three categories of expressions, phrases and sentences

tchrist

@Arrowfar It is a declarative sentence, complete with subject and verb.

It is not a phrase nor an idiomatic expression.

user116848

So a simple 'sentence' then. I see.

tchrist

9:00 PM

The shortest possible equivalent response is: ?

That is, a facial expression that indicates questioning confusion.

There exist a virtually infinite number of equivalent longer expressions.

Single-word responses include Eh?, Huh?, and What? at the very least.

Double-word responses include such things as Come again? and Say what?, not to mention I’m confused.

Alexandre Dumas could doubtless devise an equivalent response comprising a sentence spanning an entire page.

user116848

An entire page sentence?

tchrist

@Arrowfar That’s what I said.

Jasper Loy

I am going to sleep in 1 hour.

tchrist

@JasperLoy You meant to type that into your Facebook Status.

Jasper Loy

@tchrist I have no FB, lol.

tchrist

9:08 PM

@JasperLoy We prefer not to be given Too Much Information regarding your Buck Fuddies.

user116848

So when chatting, while someone is explaining can I say: "I am listening"? Or is it wrong to say "I am listening" since I am reading. But I'd prefer "I am listening".

Mitch

!!notify 60 @JasperLoy This is a reminder that you said you would go to sleep now.

Jarvis the Bot

@Mitch All signs point to yes

tchrist

@Arrowfar You can process two separate verbal streams simultaneously?

Jasper Loy

I like to announce my activities in this chat. It is my log book.

user116848

9:10 PM

@tchrist Sorry What?

Mitch

@Arrowfar 'listening' is right. 'reading' sounds weird.

ha ha. it would sound weird to say it 'reads' weird.

tchrist

@Arrowfar You have the input stream of language from the text you are reading crossing the input stream of the speech you are hearing. I don’t know how to do both at the same time.

user116848

@tchrist Yeah that.

Jasper Loy

Yesterday, I was sad that I am mad. Today, I am sad that I have no gf.

Mitch

Some people can write two different languages simultaneously, one with the right hand, the other with the left.

@JasperLoy you could be mad that you are sad.

tchrist

9:12 PM

@Mitch Which one was broken?

Jasper Loy

@Mitch That is a bad thing to say.

tchrist

@JasperLoy Sure, dad.

Jasper Loy

Quiet, lad.

Mitch

@tchrist ha ha. I can't right. Its so obvious.

tchrist

Only a cad would so pursue such a fad.

Better a tad of your wad than the other way around.

Mitch

9:14 PM

Tack it down with a brad

tchrist

There’s only one left.

Lilies.

►

Mitch

@tchrist Well, not exactly, just truth or accurate information dispersal is not always the primary goal. Allows bullshit.

tchrist

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Q: i have a problem saying a few words i want to remove them from vocabulary what are my alternatives ?

alternative suggestions for verb replacement to use in positive reenforcement I rather not imply that my client cant do something while for today she can not but a year from now she possibly could, i would rather not tell her don't do that, i just dislike no altogether. I am looking for alternat...

verbs

wtf?

Jez

Why's the bot called Jarvis now?

Mitch

@tchrist behavior modification via avoidance operator conditioning.

tchrist

9:24 PM

@Jez Because Jeeves was taken.

Mitch

punch yourself in the face every time you get the urge to say that word.

Jez

what was wrong with kitsox?

tchrist

@Jez Accusations of Eliza-effect deception.

Groundless ones, to my mind, but since I wasn’t the aggrieved party, that hardly matters.

Jez

@tchrist so naming it a human name removes the eliza effect more than naming it a non-human one?

tchrist

@Jez Trust me: I am not the one to fathom this.

But you have provoked an intriguing meta question from me.

And I daren’t post ere the morn, or it will go unnoticed.

There are three variants on how usernames are presented in chat: black roman for normal users, blue roman for moderators, and black oblique for room owners.

Wouldn’t it make sense to indicate bottiness using something along those lines?

Perhaps courier for bots.

Something like that.

Jez

9:34 PM

im guessing there's no way to recognize a bot

tchrist

I was thinking that that might be part of it, yes.

Jez

its code just interacts the same way as a browser with stuff typed into it would. it's emulating a human.

tchrist

Which is where the rub is, I believe.

Cerberus

9:46 PM

Exactly.

tchrist

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A: Why was this question closed as "not clear what you're asking"?

First off, the “pairs of nouns” you present are not actually pairs of nouns: Type-1 Noun Type-2 Noun ------------ ----------------------- New Yorker lives in New York diabetic person with diabetes author writes books But even within a given column there is no commo...

Cerberus

I feel the same way about the question. Upon reading it (I haven't looked at the comments), all I'm thinking is, "what does the question asker want?". Perhaps he should define his two categories of words and phrases. It is no doubt clear to him in his mind, but not to me. — Cerberus 30 secs ago

tchrist

I think he probably wants to know when and why the “is-a” relationship is to be shunned over the “does-a” or “has-a” ones, but good bloody luck getting that out of him.

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