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8:00 PM

@TheodoreBroda s/\d/#/g por favor.

@TheodoreBroda baba ji is the Indias best astrologer diseases or pests. In this branch of occult practice, spells sometimes correspond to colors, depending on the supposed effect (i.e., red-magic, which is magic concerned with combat, such as low-level curses). Black Magic!

I know that in Hindi, the word babaji is a polite term for an old man or grandfather. Clearly, you should not show such disrespect to a learned old man who can deduce your future from the stars. He is a genius!

@tchrist I am note literate in code. Please elucidate.

@TheodoreBroda What tier of genius is he? Compared to, say, those who have min-wage jobs at the Apple store.

@Cerb @terdon No, it isn’t just English that makes funny little hypocoristics; witness: “Babi is a nickname for the Greek name Charalampos (Χαράλαμπος).”

@Robusto His knowledge transcends even that of the enlightened technical wizards par excellence at the Apple store.

8:06 PM

In Slavic folklore, Baba Yaga is a supernatural being (or one of a trio of sisters of the same name) who appears as a deformed and/or ferocious-looking woman. Baba Yaga flies around in a mortar, wields a pestle, and dwells deep in the forest in a hut usually described as standing on chicken legs. Baba Yaga may help or hinder those that encounter or seek her out and may play a maternal role and has associations with forest wildlife. According to Vladimir Propp's folktale morphology, Baba Yaga commonly appears as either a donor, villain, or may be altogether ambiguous. Andreas Johns identi...

@TheodoreBroda makes the sign against evil

@tchrist What makes you think this is an exhibition?

@Robusto Because I know what you aren’t wearing.

@tchrist There are many things I am not wearing. A camisole, for example.

That isn’t one of the easier pieces in the suite, either.

I am unshod.

And unashamedly so.

@tchrist Have you played it? It's always looked so formidable I've steered clear. Concentrated on busting my knuckles on Le Tombeau de Couperin instead.

8:08 PM

@Robusto No, I have never tried, alas.

But I can play it in my head at will, oddly.

Well, I still trot out the Ravel from time to time, just to humble myself.

I figure Il vecchio castello is about my speed. :)

Lots of Great Gates of Kiev playing of late due to realpolitik.

Aye.

I hate when pop culture appropriates my private treasures.

I still see valkyries descending, not choppers.

Hojo-to-ho!

8:13 PM

To be honest, I prefer the original to the Ravel.

@tchrist The original what? Tombeau? As opposed to the orchestration?

But then, I would.

No, Pictures.

Oh, I see what you're talking about.

Yes, there's enough color in the piano for that piece.

Although I don't despise the Ravel. He was the master orchestrater/or.

But I prefer his orchestration on pieces that were conceived for orchestra, like Daphnis et Chloe.

No, I don’t despise the Ravel. But I first heard Pictures live in performance by a solo pianist, and it was just awesome.

It is that.

8:16 PM

I should say saw.

No doubt you heard it as well.

Well, yes.

Witnessed covers both acts, I'm fairly sure.

Enjoyed also.

Now I am going to go crazy until I remember the boy’s surname. It will probably take days. It was 32, 33 years ago.

@tchrist Just call baba ji; he can peer into your past and recover that memory for you by searching the records written in the planets and nebulae.

8:19 PM

@tchrist Wow. Greek wins once again!

@Cerberus And Agamemnon dead!

Agamemnon always died.

It was so ordained.

@Robusto What good came ever of the Atreïdes?

@tchrist Well, I think we got new ways of rendering lard, and some improvements in cartography.

@tchrist Also, Paul Muad'dib.

user image

Lovely.

8:25 PM

Now, I should point out that we got some great plays by Aeschylus out of that family.

From Tantalos to Orestes, it was a hard road.

@Cerberus φίλος ἄφιλος

@tchrist BTW, the Toccata at the end of Le Tombeau is where I always lose it. I mean, who writes repeated notes for piano?

If I haven't come adrift before that, that is.

Have you played the piano transcription of Albéñiz’s “Asturias / Leyenda / Legend”? So percussive.

Watch what you have to do.

My forearms actually tire.

But the repeated notes between both hands at the beginning, and later throughout, are how you do repeated notes: use two hands, not one.

@tchrist No.

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Q: appropriate usage of the word "Here"

Can we begin a a sentence with "Here"? If yes then can anyone please give an example? And a sentence like, Here,first we should know the reason of... Is this grammatically correct ? Thanks.

Seriously?

8:35 PM

@RegDwigнt Now doncha be bein a meany! Nobody will vote for you.

NARQ

GA

I don’t know.

Some questions are just so WTF you don’t know what to pick.

@tchrist the guitar piece is a transcription. The piano piece is the original.

@RegDwigнt shamed

Have you played it? I rather like it.

I played the guitar piece. I don't have the sheet music for the piano. Was meaning to download, then forgot. The usual.

I actually don't know if Albéniz played guitar at all. I am somewhat certain he was just a pianist.

Too lazy to google.

Then again, as a Spaniard I guess he was under a certain obligation to at least hold the damn thing the right way up or something.

> Isaac Manuel Francisco Albéniz y Pascual (Spanish pronunciation: [iˈsak alˈβeniθ]; 29 May 1860 – 18 May 1909) was a Spanish pianist and composer best known for his piano works based on folk music idioms.

They seem to have left out most of his name in the IPA. :)

And like five people in the entire history of mankind noticed. And like zero of them cared.

8:41 PM

> At age seven, after apparently taking lessons from Antoine François Marmontel, he passed the entrance examination for piano at the Paris Conservatoire, but he was refused admission because he was believed to be too young.

I assume that's wiki, of course.

Of course.

Then yeah, if anybody cared they'd have fixed the IPA.

I know I for one am going back to football.

BBL

> Fête-dieu à Seville (F-sharp minor – F-sharp major) (alternative titles sometimes found: "Corpus Christi"; "El Corpus en Sevilla"), describing the Corpus Christi Day procession in Seville, during which the Corpus Christi is carried through the streets accompanied by marching bands. Musically, this piece consists of a processional march that eventually becomes overwhelmed by a mournful saeta, the melody evoking Andalusian cante jondo and the accompaniment evoking flamenco guitars.

Nice keys, lovely keys.

From Iberia.

Iberia (Albéniz)

Iberia is a suite for piano composed between 1905 and 1909 by the Spanish composer Isaac Albéniz. It is composed of four books of three pieces each; a complete performance lasts about an hour and a half. It is Albéniz's masterpiece and his best-known work, highly praised by Claude Debussy and Olivier Messiaen, who said: "Iberia is the wonder for the piano; it is perhaps on the highest place among the more brilliant pieces for the king of instruments". Stylistically, this suite falls squarely in the school of Impressionism, especially in its musical evocations of Spain. Technically, Iberi...

In fact, he has all kinds of fun(ny) keys there.

> Jerez E Phrygian – E Major

Make mine an amontillado.

I know why I called it a transcription. Because I first heard “Asturias” done by Andres Segovia on guitar, and only later sought out the piano sheet music myself. That’ll learn me.

Here it is:

And no, I don’t know why that piece goes by two different names (Asturias versus Leyenda).

Oh my, do they having him playing at the Alhambra?

Sure looks like it.

8:58 PM

Hola.

hej

@KitFox Buenos días, zorra.

Buenos noches.

To clarify, I mean the literal sense of zorra, as there are some (unsavory) slang meanings as well.

That's a vixen, right?

9:08 PM

@KitFox Sí.

Probably similar to the English meanings then.

@KitFox Or so the Wiktionary entry for zorra suggests.

I don't actually know Spanish.

Salutations, @AndrewLeach. Care to join our scintillating conversation?

<3

@MickLH Hello, clockwise-rotating epicyclic gearing. Glad you can join us (I address chat users based on what is depicted in their profile pic, if you haven't already guessed).

:D

I am fresh off producing this post, and feel "amped" in some way :P

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A: How can I remove the peel and pit of an avocado without the whole thing turning into mush?

After 4 years... the classical spoon based method for avocado processing is obsolete, and no longer recommended by the California Avocado Commission. The new algorithms are based on this insight: The Triptych Peel Method This method combines a well known algorithm to remove the seed, with a sch...

I haven't written a paper about anything in years and am itching to, I think my post reeks of it

9:21 PM

@MickLH Awesome! Now I will no longer be forced to make guacamole due to mutilated avocados.

^_^

@MickLH ~~is it ok to have it in halves?~~ nvm was gonna suggest the same

@MickLH You have the most detailed documentation, and as you mentioned, the first post details an outdated and ineffective method. I would up-vote you, but I am not on that SE site. I believe that the California Avocado Commission (a rather intimidating, almost dystopian name for an association of avocado farmers) needs a call to clarify things.

@snailboat Greetings, gastropod!

Thanks for the confidence! One day I might try to implement it industrially as I've been receiving much positive feedback about a particular (garlic-based) variation of the guacamole recipe.

I would really love to never have to write a line of code for money again in my life

Anonymous

@TheodoreBroda Oh, hello there!

9:32 PM

@snailboat I meant ahoy! You, after all, are a snail boat.

Anonymous

sails

Hi

hi

Salamu Alikum

@Noah wa alaikum as-salaam

9:33 PM

How is everyone doing

(I'm slightly manic)

@Noah We are doing quite fine, I believe.

@Noah I usually address people using the name for what is shown in their profile picture, but I do not know what to call a jet-black square (other than jet-black square).

But I have a name. I am not a black box.

That's more like a dark representation of me

@TheodoreBroda

@Noah A picture is worth a thousand names.

If that's the case then a black picture should be worth a WORD, at least.

1000-999=My Name.

9:39 PM

@MickLH At least you're not slightly depressive.

@Noah No arithmetic permitted. This is not Mathematics.SE chat.

Who says that?

@Noah Everyone. It's a general consensus. I already discussed this with Jasper Loy.

Anonymous

My picture is my pet snail Bean eating a slice of banana.

@snailboat Aww! I think he bit off more than he could chew.

Do you think Jasper Loy is our president? He is a user with a hidden agenda.

:)

So what do you guys think of this year's elections?

9:44 PM

hello everybody

@Noah ...A hidden agendum. Please use the singular with the indefinite article. This is an EL&U chatroom; we have a reputation to uphold.

@fahdijbeli Hello Fahd

I m very poor in english and if i will stay here I will be able to learn it ?

@TheodoreBroda usage: Although agenda is the plural of agendum in Latin, in standard modern English it is normally used as a singular noun with a standard plural form ( agendas). See also usage at data and media1.

the ODE

@TheodoreBroda Yay!

Very good.

9:47 PM

@fahdijbeli This is not the best place for learning English. I would recommend ell.stackexchange.com if you have a specific question about English usage.

I am sure we are not here to reconstruct Old English.

@Cerberus Whenever a Latin or Latin-derived word is in dispute, it seems to summon you.

@Cerberus Usage rules out grammar.

@TheodoreBroda ok thanks ;)

@TheodoreBroda I felt a disturbance in the aether.

9:49 PM

@fahdijbeli My pleasure. Good luck learning English!

@Cerberus congrat on the 5pa1n

Huh, what?

Is that a chemical formula?

@TheodoreBroda Jasper Loy is a spy from Mathematics! I said it!

@Noah !!

@fahdijbeli you are welcome to stay here 24/7. You can chat, respond to peoples comments, and post a question on the website. If it's a basic one, ell.stackexchange.com is the right place.

@Cerberus 5-1 The Netherlands- Spain

FIFA 2014

Brasil

yes of corse I will do ;)

9:53 PM

@fahdijbeli In this chat room, you can also talk about subjects other than learning English.

@MickLH Thank you

@TheodoreBroda ah good ok :)

@Noah Ah, that.

Which country do you support, if any?

@TheodoreBroda Such as Latin.

Yeah. Now don't tell me you don't watch soccer.

@Noah *football

9:56 PM

@JohanLarsson Ahem.

@JohanLarsson *soccer

@Cerberus Whoever wins.

@TheodoreBroda As in, put a sock on it.

@TheodoreBroda Football=Soccer=/ American Football

@TheodoreBroda Look at it like this: Football makes sense > the English say football > it makes sense that the English guys know stuff about English.

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9:57 PM

what a stackXXXX is the strongest website than facebook :)

XXXX={overflow,exchange, etc ...)

lol

@fahdijbeli Yeah we are better than many guys out there, including Mark Zuckerberg

StackPorn is currently in beta

@JohanLarsson finally

hahah yes ;) @Noah

@JohanLarsson oh lol

@Noah Haha, you opportunist.

@Noah I don't watch football, no.

10:01 PM

@Cerberus "opportunist" you mean what ?

@JohanLarsson You cannot tell a native speaker what their language is. @TheodoreBroda is a native speaker speaking his native language. Q.E.D.

@JohanLarsson Let's compromise; will you be willing to agree on "association football"?

@TheodoreBroda don't understand it :)

@Cerberus Umm. That's okay. You can google the results right at the end of the games.

It’s just typically overrighteous transatlantic bashing, and serves no good purpose, only evil ones.

10:02 PM

@tchrist ok Americanlish

@JohanLarsson No. English.

I was joking

@JohanLarsson No worries. You can joke about English, we joke about them all the time.

I think if you total up the native speakers of English in North America compared with those in Europe, you will see where the balance lies here. I’ll be generous and even let you count England as being part of Europe for these purposes.

@tchrist But I like bashing British English speakers. It's so much fun criticizing their misuse of words like "chemist".

10:05 PM

@TheodoreBroda No transatlantic bashing of native speakers in this chat.

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why so grumpy?

Soccer.

@Cerb you're missing out...

@fahdijbeli Do you know dictionary.com?

On nothing

Tweened again!!

Anonymous

10:06 PM

@Cerberus @fahdijbeli I often use onelook.com

@tchrist People say football in England, you know.

haha

@Cerberus So what? Are you in England?

@TheodoreBroda Never! See what you've made me do? I'm defending football, even though I couldn't care less about it!

ok ;)

10:08 PM

Well, neither are we. You can’t “correct” an American for saying soccer without expecting a fight out of it.

So please stop that nonsense.

Americans should call football soccer and then call soccer European soccer.

or handfootball & football?

In general, “correcting” native speakers is looked on in a very bad light. When it comes from nonnative speakers, it is significantly worse: utterly out of place.

@tchrist What if I use apophasis? I promise that I won't criticize ridiculous British usage of English, like their misuse of the word "pudding".

@tchrist genuinely mad?

10:10 PM

No, it would be better if we agree on calling American Football, elongated foot ball.

@TheodoreBroda You know, Puddinghead, you’re not helping.

what does the oed say btw?

Yeah handball and European handball. But in Europe they play this thing called handball that is like soccer ... Er .... European soccer but instead with hands and running but no foot/ball action. What should that be called?

I will admit, "football" is a logical appellation for a game that is primarily played with the feet.

@JohanLarsson So, you don’t intend to give up insulting Americans? I really recommend that you reconsider that position.

10:12 PM

>football |ˈfʊtbɔːl|
noun
1 [ mass noun ] any of various forms of team game involving kicking (and in some cases also handling) a ball, in particular (in the UK) soccer or (in the US) American football. [ as modifier ] : a football club. a football match.

What if you have short feet?

@Mitch Then you make up for it with a long ton.

@JohanLarsson Why is the OED the premier dictionary for English? I say consult Merriam-Webster, the ultimate dictionary for the English language.

Anonymous

Incidentally, is everyone here saying people are "misusing" English words like football and chemist joking?

@snailboat They sure don’t act like it.

10:14 PM

@Mitch Then you probably need a giant on whose shoulders you can stand.

@TheodoreBroda I use neither, never have, just seen oed quoted often here.

You'd play elongated foot ball with an elongated foot ball ball and shortened feet and play with short foot elongated foot ball...balls

Just call it lacrosse and be done with it.

@snailboat flags?

Otherwise people will become cross.

10:15 PM

@tchrist are you serious?

Anonymous

@JohanLarsson I don't understand your question

@JohanLarsson Yes, actually.

He said 'are you serious?.

@snailboat Was something flagged?

Anonymous

No, I was in this chat just idly reading

10:17 PM

You are never going to convince 300 million soccer moms that they don’t speak good English, and it is offensive to try.

@tchrist ok, I'll stop instantly then, never meant to insult anyone and kinda surprised what I wrote could be read like that.

Anonymous

I don't do much chat moderation, especially in rooms I don't frequent, since there's always the possibility that something is appropriate in one room but not another, and it can be hard to evaluate flags outside this sort of context

Anonymous

I'm just chatting.

That these complaints are coming from people who are not even native speakers makes it chafe all the worse.

@noah I'd see much further if there weren't so many midgets standing on my toes.

10:18 PM

@snailboat Have the people who are saying that people are "misusing" English words like football and chemist ever given any indication of being serious? I think that the people in question generally post sardonic posts.

Anonymous

@TheodoreBroda I find it easier to ask than to mind-read

Anonymous

The latter has never been my strong suit

Poll: how many of you found the discussion insulting in any way?

@snailboat The latter is the strong suit of baba ji. He can read your thoughts with perfect clarity.

Me. I don’t like non-Americans telling Americans how Americans should talk.

10:19 PM

Ha ha I think. I have no idea what that refers to!

@tchrist Are you a nationalist?

Especially when it is something as commonplace and accepted as this.

@Noah I don’t know what that word means.

But I assume you mean something evil by it.

@tchrist Yeah! 'Mericans are free to speak how they damn well please!

So no, I am not evil.

@tchrist Good.

10:21 PM

How can someone do that? It takes all my concentration just to sit on the toilet. To commit murder seems like kind of a lot to juggle at the same time.

@Mitch Game of Thrones.

@Mitch You’re putting the cart before the horse.

Oh. So just out of the news.

In which Tyrion Lannister is a midget and kills his father.

While standing on his toes? Well that's talent for you.

10:23 PM

@Noah No, Tyrion’s a dwarf, and he kills his brother’s father. Tyrion’s brother Jaime killed Tyrion’s father. That way there was no kinslaying let alone parricide, as they each slew each other’s father, not their own.

How are they brothers?

@tchrist Wow, I didn't know that. Haven't read that part. Probably in later chapters.

@JohanLarsson I regarded this discussion as robust and a bit animated, but not insulting.

Do you mean half-brothers?

Anyway, Tywin was a dead man shitting, because he had already been fatally poisoned by Prince Oberyn at breakfast. That’s why his corpse rotted so terribly.

@Mitch Yes.

10:25 PM

Animated? Heated? Lukewarm?

@Mitch It’s a bit more than that, since their mother was her husband’s first cousin.

_ calculates_

@tchrist Does Prince Oberyn reappear? Or is he dead forever?

5/8ths?

They all die at the end.

Kinda like Hamlet

Or life.

10:27 PM

@Mitch Valar morghulis: all men must die.

As much as hamlet is like life

Trying to figure out how Jaime and Cersei’s children are related is kinda crazy. It’s like 13/16.

They should have looked like each other.

Very much like each other.

Wow you know Klingon.

@Mitch Q&S: Q Valar, the gods; S morgûl, black sorcery.

@tchrist But how do they know they were from Jaimie. Didn't the king(Cercie's husband) sleep with her?

10:29 PM

@Noah Hair color.

Every mating of black-haired Baratheon and golden-haired Lannister throughout history has been documented to produce black-haired children.

@Noah Brown of hair, brown of hair, brown of hair, ...golden-haired.

@tchrist Cool. So that is mentioned in the books, right? Probably have missed that part.

> Shadowbaby Baratheon: black of air

@Noah Yes. Ned didn’t. Neither did Jon Arryn. Or Stannis the King.

@tchrist ok I'm not sorry cos I didn't mean it like that, I'll stop cos you are my friend.

@tchrist It's English.

10:32 PM

@Cerberus So is soccer.

@TheodoreBroda Oh, come on. MW is nothing.

@tchrist And so is football.

@Cerberus Started by the English, improved by the Americans.

@JohanLarsson When did this chatroom become a social hub?

@Cerberus Just stop, will you?????????????????????????????

@Noah It's been a social hub for as long as I have been chatting here (which isn't that long).

10:34 PM

@Noah ^

@TheodoreBroda Corrupted.

@tchrist sticks out tongue

@Cerberus Don’t point that thing at me unless you plan to use it.

@Cerberus *sticks out three tongues

@tchrist points at you with long pole

@TheodoreBroda I saved the other two for...an emergency.

@Cerberus You should be so plucky.

10:37 PM

@Cerberus You have committed lexicographical blasphemy! You should be stoned! Oh, wait; you probably are already stoned, you live in the Netherlands ;-)

@TheodoreBroda You mean lapidose. But that happens everywhere.

@tchrist It is discouraged in Texas, though, where a teenager who sold pot brownies is now facing life in prison. Ahh, the American justice system; it could use a few improvements, unlike American English, which is perfect as is.

@TheodoreBroda Come to Colorado, where the air is higher.

Everything in Texas is discouraging.

That isn’t true, but you wouldn’t know those places.

@tchrist Exactly. Even the president was discouraging.

@tchrist I'm a hellhound!

@TheodoreBroda Haha, very droll.

10:43 PM

@Cerberus become a bulldog and americans will like you

@tchrist Denver isn't called the "mile high city" for nothing. I would like to visit Colorado again though. It is a beautiful state.

@Noah A cause of major depression, in fact.

@Noah Ugly!

@Cerberus hellhound might be useful in Hawaii

@TheodoreBroda Denver is down in the oxygen cesspool. Come to South Park for Two-Mile-High Stadium. Much more authentic.

Trust me, by 13 or 14 kilofeet, no adulteration is required for you to feel utterly high and completely stultified.

Even 12 can be dizzying for flatlanders.

10:47 PM

@tchrist Sounds like good travel advice (incidentally, thanks for the tips about visiting the USVI). I am particularly prone to acute mountain sickness. I have to go eat dinner, though; I will return shortly.

He’s only five foot two; he always returns shortly.

good nigth

@fahdijbeli Good night to you. It's day time here

Need to edit this: A few months ago his backpack got lost. Someone had broken into his car and broken a window.

@Cerberus

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