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> You will recognize the Aura UI quickly if you have been using a Chromebook.
 
@Seth ^
 
I haven't, and their screenshot looks like the way Chrome's always looked
Well, there's one major bug that Chrome 35 fixed: tabs flashing for attention no longer use a crazy amount of CPU in both Chrome and X
if that's Aura, it's very welcome
 
@Gilles heh...
amazing we don't have a dupe about that
 
@Seth Chrome doesn't have GPU acceleration?
 
12:05 AM
@Braiam ok, it's some developer thing totally unrelated to user experience. Got it.
 
@strugee I have no idea. Never cared to find out.
 
Firefox has had that for a while, at least for layer compositing
@Seth according to your article it doesn't
 
@strugee I don't think so: I like the menu button, what I want is to get back the old menu entries
 
> as well as offering GPU acceleration.
 
@strugee o_O
 
12:05 AM
I don't want small buttons, I want no buttons at all, only text
 
> appbutton on toolbars (text only)
 
@strugee the GUI didn't have GPU acceleration but the composition did... same with firefox
 
They aren't small, but they are icons.
 
@Seth I think that what Guilles want is a text only GUI (zero icons)
 
12:08 AM
not sure that's even possible. Even Chrome has some icons.
 
@Seth buttons, icons, whatever: I want to have “File”, “Edit”, …
 
Oh, the menu bar.
 
^ this right?
 
If that is what he means then I have no idea what he is talking about. The menu bar is still there, always was, probably always will be.
 
is hidden by default
 
12:12 AM
True.
 
@Braiam not quite: I'd like to get rid of the menu bar
 
??
File, Edit, etc is the menu bar... Got a screenshot of what you have?
 
this then?
wait, that's not it...
 
@Braiam ah.
 
^ this @Gilles?
 
12:16 AM
@Seth yes it is. as I said: Firefox extensions can do anything.
yeah @Gilles I just installed that addon and confirmed it.
it restores the "Firefox button".
 
That ≡ button on the right opens the menu
but it has huge icons and is missing a lot of entries like in Seth's screenshot
I want the ≡ button to open a normal menu, like Chrome and Thunderbird
 
ah
 
@Gilles @Seth - Aura is the Chrome's display manager - it's builtin.
They started shipping it for Win8's Metro v29.
Linux in general v35.
 
I would take bringing back the menu line as a less prefered option, but on your screenshots, a lot of menu entries seem to be missing
 
But it's been packaged for Linux in ChromeOS for a couple years.
 
12:28 AM
@Gilles as I said, Classic Theme Restorer will essentially restore that. the button has a Firefox icon instead of ≡ but otherwise I believe it's what you're looking for.
 
With some compile time options you can do the stable build and get the login manager and everything.
 
Oh, and can you finally open more than one bookmark editor window in Firefox?
 
@Gilles hm, like what?
 
It's also what's behind Oxygen.
 
@Gilles I don't know? I don't use bookmarks.
 
12:29 AM
no. just checked. (I don't use bookmarks that much)
there's probably an addon for that
 
Maybe it's called Ozone. But it works in the framebuffer - at 800x600.
And in Wayland...
 
@strugee last I checked there wasn't (only an extension to have a bookmark window at all!) but admittedly this was a few years ago
back when Firefox versions had a single digit before the decimal point
 
you can have the bookmark sidebar and the bookmark window at the same time... nothing lese
 
@Braiam the bookmark window being the problem... I want bookmark windowS
 
@Gilles I'm looking
 
12:33 AM
btw, firefox is in github
 
@Braiam yep. there's a bidirectional hg <-> git mirror for almost all Mozilla repositories, up to and including mozilla-central (the main one)
 
1:32 AM
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A: Is the Unix C API still on-topic?

derobertSmall amounts of certain types of programming are reasonably within the scope of what a system administrator does. Uncontroversially, writing a shell script to start a daemon, check if its running, and stop it is within scope (i.e., an init script). So is a shell scripting to automate system adm...

... finally, my answer to the C API question.
@Gilles @strugee @FaheemMitha I don't think you'll get notified that I added an answer to the Unix C API question, since you didn't ask the question. meta.unix.stackexchange.com/a/2967/977 is my answer.
 
@Braiam done
 
1:55 AM
that time of the day again.
 
@GIRI I have no idea of what are you doing.... really. — Braiam 7 secs ago
 
@derobert thanks
 
Is there a way to determine the IP address of that spammer?
 
@Ramesh Yeah! Spam!
@Ramesh A diamond-mod might be able to. Other than that, it'd be team@ that can.
 
@derobert, It's kind of getting repetitive. It occurs exactly around the same time daily .
And that too on user symcbean's post and that too the same particular answer. :)
 
1:58 AM
I never understood why spammers try to attack Stack Exchange... seems like a royal waste of time.
 
@Ramesh ask in meta to adjust a bit the system... I didn't even see the banner when I review it
 
I'd assume that if it were trivial to block them by IP, they'd already be blocked. Maybe it comes from a botnet, so tons of different IPs. Or tor (do we take anonymous edits from Tor? No idea)...
 
Where did my reject go? I also rejected as vandalism.
 
BTW, there should be activated a detection that more than X rejected edits from 1 rep or anonymous users disables the suggested edits for that post
 
2:00 AM
@Braiam, good point.
 
@FaheemMitha @slm wasn't it the world cup or something today?
 
@strugee tor.SE is more lenient for connections that comes from tor network
@strugee Football socer cup in Brazil
 
@Braiam gotcha
 
@strugee, yes. FIFA world cup. Brazil vs croatia which Brazil won :)
 
@Braiam yeah, that
 
2:02 AM
Ah, that'd explain why Google decided to ask me repeatedly if I was interested in it. No, Google, I'm not. You should know better. You're supposed to know everything.
@Braiam I think you crossed a few ideas in this sentence, I'd fix it, but I'm having a hard time untangling the mess: "You can't just dump some piece of information for more accurate that it may be, without spending any effort racking your brain thinking what means a tag/topic for Unix & Linux, this site."
 
@derobert he probably meant "You can't just dump some piece of information, however accurate it may be"
 
@strugee Ah! That's probably it.
 
That was meant to be read like this:
> You can't just dump some piece of information without spending any effort racking your brain thinking what means a tag/topic for Unix & Linux, this site.
missing a comma
 
"what means a tag" is pretty awkward...
 
s/a/that/
 
2:11 AM
oh my god, I have problems.
 
@Braiam let us know when you're done editing that, its still pretty awkward English...
 
look at the tab strip...
 
@strugee Indeed! You forgot to turn back on the menu bar in Firefox 29/30.
 
@derobert I did not forget.
 
2:13 AM
And your window is far too wide.
 
BTW, learn to love the Ctrl + Shift + E ;)
 
@Braiam Yes, a wonderful feature
 
@derobert no. And since he keeps coming back, he must be changing IP addresses, otherwise the spam filter would block him.
 
@derobert it should be an awkward english... I wrote it ;)
 
@derobert nope.
forgot about Panorama.
 
2:15 AM
@Gilles, why is it he? can't it be she? :P
 
breaks into @strugee 's house and steals monitor
 
@strugee wow.... I think you should make additional groups :-P
 
slm
@Braiam is that a joke awk-ward? 8-)
 
it's actually not so SE-dominated after the overflow
 
@Ramesh English lacks a proper gender-neutral personal pronoun. The masculine pronoun is used in its guise.
 
2:16 AM
 
@Ramesh Or an it, even, if a bot.
 
@Braiam looks around languidly
 
it sounds reasonable as I hardly doubt there is a person sitting and doing this edit.
 
@derobert really though. and this is only my main window. I have several auxiliary windows
 
@Braiam He'll thank you once he realizes how much easier it is to read text that's not 300 characters wide.
 
2:18 AM
@derobert excuse me
 
I was almost going to really break into @strugee house when I saw W3Schools
 
@Braiam repair his firewall, so it blocks dangerous sites?
 
was W3C memes :)
 
@Braiam don't you dare accuse me of using W3Schools
ah, there we go.
 
There are valid reasons to visit W3Schools, though. For example, you want to know what kind of harebrained advice led to a HTML question.
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2:21 AM
aw man, it seems to have disappeared.
 
'bout time w3fools took its stuff down.
 
@Seth how do you mean?
hi and welcome to Stack Exchange! this question was downvoted because (since we're all volunteers) we expect people to show minimal effort before posting a question here, and you clearly have not. I advise you to read up on what, exactly, kexec is and then try again later. — strugee 2 mins ago
 
BTW: Is it just me, or should the answer to Is asking “What license should I use” on topic? be simply No.
 
opinion: too harsh?
 
@strugee nope
 
2:26 AM
@Braiam \o/
 
at least I don't feel offended, I read the /about and instead of digging up a bit more information about the topic I decided to ask with a slate blank mindset
 
@strugee I'd have phrased it nicer (I'd reserve that for someone with a history of similar questions)... but I don't have any objections to that wording, either.
 
@derobert ok. it seemed especially poor to me, so I worded it a bit harsh, but I was worried I'd gone too far. hence, asking here.
 
welccome to SE before conveying the point makes it not harsh.
 
2:28 AM
No, pretty much anything that tells the OP "you haven't even put minimal effort into this" is at least somewhat harsh.
 
ahaha over in The Comms Room...
in The Comms Room, 4 mins ago, by Journeyman Geek
At one point, you weren't allowed to use a router according to their TOS
in The Comms Room, 1 min ago, by Wesley
"Running an IRC server on our ISP?" Suddenly SWAT team! "Ohai I hear you like ur ass beat."
 
The only problem is with being rude. Stating the truth is never rude, just that some people aren't willing to accept it
 
@Seth k, reading
 
@Braiam yes, stating the truth can be rude.
But that doesn't really apply to this case.
This truth wasn't rude. The way the present that truth is not only not the entire truth, but it is extremely rude, or worse than rude, malicious.
 
@Seth the problem with W3Schools is that if they can't keep up, then they should let the community edit it. turn it into a wiki.
they're abusing their position as #1 in the search results by not doing so.
say you're the people behind W3Fools. for a while, there was no way to get in touch with W3Schools. now there's a tiny feedback link.
from your perspective, going public is the best option.
 
2:33 AM
Yeah, let's replace one problem with another shall we? Do you really think the folks who run w3fools would try to fix it if it was a wiki? They may not have the resources to keep everything tip-top, but they don't have the resources to manage a wiki either.
 
@Seth I really don't know what you are talking about... I'm referring to strugee comment in the kexec question
 
if W3Schools refuses to change then sending something to them will do nothing. making a public statement will perhaps help convince them to fix things.
@Seth yes, I do think so.
 
@strugee By all means, create a website pointing out the problems if you can't contact them, but the way they did it was ridiculous.
As the blogger says, being rude doesn't accomplish anything does it?
 
@Seth from their perspective, W3Schools is an active source of harm for the web. remember, W3Fools was created by people who are involved in the W3C and in browser engines. they wanted to do whatever they could to get people off W3Schools.
 
I don't care what their perspective was. Their tone did much more harm than good.
And trying to support that attitude is silly IMO. We all agree w3schools was not up to date, but the way they chose to point that out was inappropriate.
Anyway, I've got to run. Nice talking to you :)
 
2:47 AM
you too. goodnight!
 
What is all of this? - the w3/school/fool thing? @strugee?
 
@mikeserv a web development thing
 
I assumed that. But everyone seems to have strong opinions on it. Recent I guess?
 
3:19 AM
@strugee - well, I don't blame you for not wanting to discuss it. Those dwarves need attention. Probably one has taken a fey mood and barricaded his workshop demanding more and more materials for his masterpiece. I always let him starve though.
 
3:42 AM
@mikeserv not recent
it just got brought up in the conversation
@mikeserv nah, I just stepped away for a little while.
 
but you do df, yeah? I haven't for a couple years now. Anything exciting happened to df lately?
 
@mikeserv df?
Dwarf Fortress?
 
yeah
 
I don't play
I tried it for like 40 minutes once
I've been meaning to play again
 
oh. you need 40 days just to get a feel for the keyboard shortcuts.
 
3:46 AM
@mikeserv haha ikr
 
it's an acquired taste
 
@mikeserv indeed.
 
there's a df multiplexer built on tmux actually.
 
@mikeserv no kidding
 
running your own server is as simple as allocating a pseudo terminal. not to mention exorbitant cpu time. every one of those little dwarves is a learning evolving thing and every turn means consistently reevaluating its ai.
 
3:49 AM
I know
it's insane how much CPU it uses
 
the story behind the game is cool - which is why I started playing at all. but dwarves are fucking whiny
 
 
3 hours later…
6:22 AM
@derobert I didn't get notified, so thanks for the ping.
 
hey @FaheemMitha I'm trying to debootstrap
I've just done:
sudo debootstrap --arch i386 wheezy /home/alex/Development/Debian/wheezy-amd64/ http.debian.net/debian
but all I get in /home/alex/Development/Debian/wheezy-amd64 is debootstrap and var directories
do you know what I'm doing wrong?
 
6:57 AM
@strugee not off the top of my head. what guide are you following?
And what are you trying to do, exactly?
 
I'm trying to create a fully-functional Debian installation that I can chroot into
worth asking a question on Unix & Linux?
 
@strugee Dunno. I'm about to eat lunch. If you can wait a bit, I'll take a look.
The wiki stuff is usually relatively reliable. What system are you running on?
 
@FaheemMitha that'd be lovely. have a nice lunch!
 
Arch?
 
@FaheemMitha Arch, of course :)
 
7:09 AM
@strugee Ok
 
7:56 AM
ah, I got an error.
gpgv: Signature made Sat 26 Apr 2014 02:27:41 AM PDT using RSA key ID 46925553
gpgv: Good signature from "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy) <ftpmaster@debian.org>"
gpgv: Signature made Sat 26 Apr 2014 02:40:30 AM PDT using RSA key ID 65FFB764
gpgv: Good signature from "Wheezy Stable Release Key <debian-release@lists.debian.org>"
stdin: not in compressed format
tar: This does not look like a tar archive
tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors
in wheezy-amd64/debootstrap/debootstrap.log
 
8:22 AM
@strugee You still there?
@strugee How big is this log? You could stick it somewhere public if you wanted.
@strugee I'm running this command here. Seems to be proceeding normally. Downloading loads of stuff.
This wiki page is full of bad english.
"Check the chrooted system the presence of /proc if the chroot is not likely to be fully operational." Not sure what is meant by that.
 
9:23 AM
@strugee the debootstrap command completed successfully here.
 
 
2 hours later…
11:49 AM
sanity check: is useful? Is part of bind already so I don't think it is relevant (we don't have to create a tag for each piece of software out there)
 
12:13 PM
@Braiam I'd agree, I don't see any reason does not suffice on those questions.
 
slm
12:45 PM
@Braiam I concur
 
12:55 PM
done
 
 
1 hour later…
2:18 PM
;wo
(Oops, wrong window: trying a tiling WM)
 
@Rojo Which one?
 
@Caleb i3
 
@Rojo Spiffy.
 
@Caleb I guess most of the weirdness I feel is doe to it being a tiling WM (my first) and not particular to i3
 
I'm an awesome user myself but mostly because of my history with it. From what I hear i3 is probably where I'd land if I was just starting with tiling managers today.
 
2:31 PM
@Caleb Glad to hear that I started with a good one :)
 
@Rojo The buzz is generally that i3 has less weirdness that most. Tiling is a whole different paradigm than most folks are used to. Once you get used to it it's hard to go back though!
 
@Caleb You use it because it is more productive or because you have slow hardware / small screen?
@Caleb Yes. I think I might get used to it and love it. But I will miss a few things
Perhaps it would be best, given that I have 2 screens, to try to have i3 in one and something "standard" on the other, for the time being. But since I don't know how to do that, I'm sticking to i3 for now :P
 
@Rojo Both. I have fast systems and it makes them more productive. It's nice that it makes old systems faster too.
 
@Caleb I see. For my laptop it will definately be a productive boost (after I stop typing in the wrong windows)
 
I don't know how i3 handles this, but you can probably mix and match floating and tiling paradigms. I know AwesomeWM can do both and for a few programs (and/or virtual desktops) I have floating stuff setup.
 
2:36 PM
@Caleb Yes, in i3 you can make a window floating, and stays on top.
 
I have a fast desktop (8 core, 32 gig RAM, 4 Gig video with a good chipset, 3 large HDMI monitors) and awesome makes managing that much space and speed effective. The ability to have multiple virtual desktops on each monitor with various arrangement with some windows being in more than one arrangement is indispenisble.
I also run it on a handful of Raspberry Pis and an old Pentium-90 laptop with 32 megs of RAM.
So that's a bit of a range :)
 
@Caleb Hehe, that makes sense. Mainly if you are a multitasker
I still don't know how/if to do some of those things in i3
(having the same window in multiple workspaces, saving arrangements...)
One little thing I'll miss that was productive is the following. I used to use Guake on gnome, which is a terminal that drops down half a screen instantly, on a key press (and is by default semi-transparent), and goes back up on that keypress
Furthermore, I need to find a good replacement for a gnome extension for todo.txt todo list
 
@Rojo Along the lines on a quake console...ya that's a common thing. I have one in Awesome, I'm sure you can rig one up in i3.
 
@Caleb Really? I imagined (based on my 5hr long experience :P) it couldn't be done with the tiling paradigm
@Caleb How do you do it?
 
I do it with a modified version of this: awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/Drop-down_terminal (and yes it can overlay a semi-transparent drop down console over other full screen or tiled arrangements). I'd be shocked if there was NOT something similar for i3 out there.
You might follow some of the links here: faq.i3wm.org/question/671/kuake-like-behavior-with-urxvt
Or ask on U&L!
 
2:48 PM
@Caleb Thanks a lot. I honestly didn't have the time yet to google in depth; but I was slightly hopeless in anticipation. I'm very happy to know I was wrong :)
 
@Rojo Naw it's going to be possible to rig up, it just might take some tinkering the first time (which is kind of par for the course with tiling window managers). Figuring it out takes more time up front as it isn't designed to be "obvious" it's meant to be "out of your way" and flexible. But by flexible, pretty much anything you can imagine can be done if you care to set it up.
 
@Caleb Great. I guess I was under the impression that the low memory footprint came with a price, but if the price has nothing to do with productivity, perfect
 
3:12 PM
@Caleb It all works :). Transparency seems to not be straightforward, but I don't care much about it, I'll try another time
 
hello guys
I tried setting up reverse ssh tunnel. and it just doesnt work//
ssh -R 631:localhost:81 root@someforeighhost.com
i already enabled portforwarindg on someforeoghnhost.com by /etc/sysctl.conf:
net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1
 
3:35 PM
@strugee did you see my earlier comments?
 
3:52 PM
@Rojo Actually it's surprisingly easy. But whether the properties are set via the window manager or the individual programs (some terminals like URXVT can set this as part of their internal preferences) you need a composite manager to actually render the output.
Check your distro and/or i3 guys for a recommendation, but compton is probably a good bet. Just install and run it and any window manager or apps that set the Xorg properties that tell a window to be transparent will start showing up.
 
@Caleb Let me see that
I started using Linux about 2-3 weeks ago, and the amount of new stuff is overwhelming (in a good way). Add that to my real life
Poor real life, I'm ignoring it a little :)
 
@Rojo Geez, ya going to a different OS and jumping into tiling wms it a couple weeks. You're either brave, crazy or both.
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@Caleb I just like to avoid doing what I have to do
so I need excuses
 
@Rojo I feel you there. That's how I ended up being a Linux consultant. I was a draftsman, but was so vocal about how the software should work I ended up programming CAD software. Then I was so vocal about how the software development process should work I became a systems admin. Then I was so opinionated about infrastructure that my ISP gave up trying to please me and let me rebuild their network. Now I don't know what I am.
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@Caleb O_O
 
4:05 PM
Hahah
Star
My liking of this tiling WM is growing rapidly
 
From my SE profile:
> I transitioned to programming from other work because I was too busy automating my own work environment to actually do the other work.
 
@Caleb question, is there something useful about hardlimit the network speed instead of just allowing the maximum speed allowed by the technology used?
 
@Braiam Ya. That's what QoS is all about. I've used tc a lot with Linux routers, but there are several systems out there. OpenBSD actually has some pretty nice QoS/firewall related stuff these days. The Linux stuff is kind of baffling to untangle although it works well once you get it all right.
 
@Caleb Haha, it is always pleasing to find someone that shares your bugs
 
And enev if you aren't actually routing, you can still make QoS happen by sticking a transparent bridge in the pipeline and enforce QoS rules on it.
 
4:09 PM
@IvanMatala Please ask questions on the site, not here.
@IvanMatala it makes them visible to a lot more people, and keeps them around so future folks having the same issue can find it with Google.
 
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Q: get cpu by user

Pol HallenWorking with monit I need create an alert that get cpu usage of system users, so: top -b -n 1 -u user1 | awk 'NR>7 { sum += $9; } END { print sum; }' seems a good solution but I'm not sure about reliable because when I do above command, every time change (obviously) the value. So, I need an "e...

Is this a dup of this question?
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Q: How can I monitor CPU usage by user?

AmgadI need to monitor CPU usage by users of two servers' (Ubuntu and CentOS). For example: user1 5% user2 10% ... Is there a tool similar to top or htop that can do that?

 
@Ramesh No. One seems to me monit specific. Good cross reference but not a dup.
 
@Caleb I'm more interested in the technical aspects of why would my ISP limit my downstream to 1mbps when the technology allows more
 
@Caleb, thanks. I will just give the reference to that question to the OP in the comments then.
 
@Braiam Oh sorry, missed the point of your question.
 
4:17 PM
But the OP needs some command solution, as he posted right? So if that is the case I don't see why it is not a dup of another one.
 
@Ramesh that the same answer applies doesn't mean that all that questions are duplicated
I love the hammer example: you can introduce nails and screws with a hammer, but that doesn't mean that you will use a hammer on all screws
 
@Braiam, fair enough :)
 
Yes and no. Absolutely the overall quality of service to each user AND the way it shares is much much better if you run each link at a touch under the hardware max. You cannot even do sane QoS filtering if you don't throttle back from your total enough to give your queues something to compute. But you're probable talking about something else.
In the case of giving your 1 MB vs. whatever the hardware could run at it's mostly a financial thing. They can either charge you for higher levels of service or sell to more customers without overloading the system.
ISP's usually oversell their own bandwidth. If they have 100 MB coming in, they sell 1MB to 1,000 (or even 10,000) customers. You never have everybody on at once so no customer ever sees their own speed go below 1 MB like they are paying for. But if you sold them all 10MB service (or let them run at whatever speed the line supported which would be even faster) they would quicky start seeing varied rates depending on how loaded up the network was that minute.
 
How is it that it may make sense to sell free software, if after the first guy buys it he can share it for free? What am I missing? (a lot, I know)
 
And the complaints would start piling in. Even if you sold a 1MB service level and let it go up to 5 when you had bandwidth to spare, your customers would all mutiny after they got used to having 5 during the day then only got 1 in the evenings.
@Rojo There are a lot of different models. Is there a project in specific you have in mind?
 
4:28 PM
@Caleb No, just a general wondering. Any specific model would answer my doubt. Perhaps free software doesn't mean you can redistribute it to anyone other than your friends and neighbours?
Or it mostly only makes sense for software that you continuosly develop?
Or you have to live on donations
?
 
@Caleb yeah well, they don't even guarantee the 1MB either
 
I'm just wondering if free software could fit most projects or just some very specific ones
In other words, if developers would be eating grass and living on part time jobs if most software was free
 
@Rojo There are lots of different licences, some allow redistribution some don't. Some projects are written because the author needed them for their own use, then gives it away to others. Some were written collaboratively by a group that all had similar needs and all pitched in to make it happen. Some projects rely on donations to support ongoing work even though they give it out for free whether you donate or not.
 
140 USD for a 10/1 mbps the max
 
@Braiam That sucks. They should be shot.
@Braiam Ouch dude. Do you reliably get 10 down?
 
4:32 PM
@Caleb I can't pay it
 
I hate the upsteam/downstream miss-match on aDSL. I know why it's there but it's a decision in the best interest of other parties, not MINE (as somebody who uploads nearly as much as downloads).
 
@Caleb : I do :). And I had about 36 down for a couple of years, for free :)
 
@Rojo Stinker. I didn't have that when I was in charge of an ISP. Of course that was a lot of years ago. Now I have a lot more on some datacenter computers, but not at home.
 
@Caleb The ISP chose me as a test subject for their fiber, and then they probably stopped investing for a while, so I kept it for a couple of years until they decided to start selling it
 
@Braiam Wow, and I thought it was expensive here!
@Braiam My $140 gets me 75/35 + block of static IPs
 
4:39 PM
:Niiice
 
@Caleb I think the upstream/downstream mismatch on ADSL is there for technical reasons, isn't it?
At least at one point.
 
@derobert No.
 
The only thing that'd be nice that I don't get for $140 is (a) an ISP that doesn't try to extract money out of Netflix; (b) native v6.
 
@derobert lo and behold, that price has attached another ridiculously expensive home line service. If you want bare internet the price spikes to 170 USD range
 
@Caleb I thought it was due to greater crosstalk at the telco side? Seeems unlikely there is no reason, as even on business lines can't buy symmetric. Or even reasonable upload rates.
(Now, given, there are market segmentation reasons too, but the point of those is to drive you to higher-cost business lines. But the asymmetry exists even there.)
 
4:47 PM
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Q: How can I modify route table?

MarinI don't want to delete or add, just want to modify one rule. Is there such a command or do I have to resort to Delete and Add ? Computer is running Debian 6.

Is the OP referring to iptables?
 
@Ramesh could be talking about ip rule
 
@derobert, okies. I moved the answer to the comments of the question :)
Thanks for letting me know. :)
 
can someone flag these comments as obsolete? unix.stackexchange.com/a/113587/41104
 
@Braiam is there a reason you can't?
 
@derobert 3 flags auto nuke the comment, and I upvoted slm's so I can't flag it
 
4:53 PM
@Ramesh you should finish by deleting your answer
 
@derobert, I already deleted the answer. I moved the link to the comments section of the OP.
 
@Ramesh It still showed as there for me when I posted that. There must be some caching going on...
Shows deleted now.
 
@derobert hey, what's happening? how's the bribery and corruption going?
 
@Braiam Ah, well, I've flagged it now.
@FaheemMitha Have to wait until the election officially starts for that.
 
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