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12:02 AM
"Thank que!" heh
 
the problem is I'm using Github for Windows for pushing my commits as I find it much easier than all of the other programs out there and it forces me to use a name/email for commits — Ryflex 12 mins ago
Gets worse on Stack Overflow. There is someone really using the Git GUI by GitHub ... and he likes it!
 
There are a precious few developers who aren't complete idiots...
This isn't just the best answer, it's the only answer. As a general rule you're a developer so backups aren't your business; somebody else is (or should be) already looking after them, and if you start getting involved you may be interfering with a system that already works. These boxes should already be being backed up, so then you'll have a backup, your own backup, and a backup of your own backup, all with ever-increasing size. That's just nuts. Plus: you're a developer: why are you (probably) going near production boxes anyway? — Jimmy Shelter 11 hours ago
 
@MichaelHampton They've all been hired by Fog Creek, Stack Exchange and Google
 
@MarkHenderson And now those three are poaching from each other?
 
@MichaelHampton IIRC in the beginning SE poached quite a lot of talent from FC
 
12:16 AM
Tom Limoncelli's last job was at Google, I think
 
And I know that a lot of FC guys go onto places like Google and Twitter
Reason I didn't get a job at FC was because the guy who was interviewing me went to Twitter
 
and why does none of the good guys start a hosting company (aside from uberspace)?
 
@kaiser Because it's such a low margin business it's just not worth the effort unless you can get 10,000 people on there, and to get 10,000 people on there you need to cut corners and be shit
 
@kaiser Web hosting is a freaking nightmare. I've looked into doing just that.
 
It's a vicious cycle
 
12:18 AM
Don't forget letting 10,000 people run anything they want on your boxes, including ancient out of date apps that get compromised in minutes
 
well, it seems like the uberspace guys did it with a very simple set of shared disks and a personal VM for everyone.
 
@MichaelHampton Yup
 
@MichaelHampton if the box is "locked down" (whatever that means in detail)...
 
@kaiser That sounds like EC2
 
Amazon?
 
12:19 AM
@kaiser "Hosting on Asteroids"?
Just want to make sure I'm looking at the right site. It's all in German.
 
SFSpace
 
yeah, it's in German
 
> Hosting by admins, for admins
I'm in
 
lol
 
@kaiser yeah, you ruined it ;)
I had a good thing going there
 
12:22 AM
hope you are an admin somewhere and can still kick it ;)
@MichaelHampton yes, that's the right site
 
@kaiser They don't seem to be doing virtualization for security reasons, but for reliability.
> Virtualisierung dient hier vor allem als Mittel zur »Kapselung« der Systeme, um sie leichter auf andere physische Hardware migrieren zu können.
 
So far I haven't heard anything bad. I got 5 accounts there where some have some really outdated half baked things on them... nothing so far
And I love the fact that I can play sysadmin even if it's mostly like children trying to put square blocks into round holes.
 
It says they run about 150-300 users in each VM. So definitely not isolating users from each other that way.
 
hm. just checked that and yes I can see the other users folders there
maybe a "real VM" would be to expensive on memory consumption
the guys must have a pretty solid set of rules.
fact is: I can run apache/lighttp/nginx if I want - node.js runs there and I get a decent Ruby version from the very first minute as well as I can switch to sane PHP version numbers like 5.5.x.
 
@kaiser Ugh so many web hosts are so behind on their versions
 
12:30 AM
It's quite easy to make me happy (as PHP developer). Give me: Git, PHP 5.4+, node.js and Ruby to run Grunt tasks and more than 1-3 databases. If you can add a decent amount of PHP extensions on top, then I'm already happy with those 10GB storage and the "we say hi! if you use too much memory or bandwidth".
 
Probably because it's not worth their hassle with broken scripts to upgrade
 
@MarkHenderson From PHP 5.4, certain obnoxious hacks that were nevertheless useful in shared hosting environments were dropped
 
probably they are mostly running WordPress... requires 5.2
 
Anyway, no I wouldn't want to do shared web hosting. Maybe VPS though...
 
Interserver's pretty dope
been in the game a while from what I hear, haven't had a problem w/ them
thinking of moving my only webclient there, and hosting my own site there when I finally get it up and running
 
12:35 AM
@MichaelHampton uberspace is very sane with support: only contact us via twitter or mail. and their "pay what you want" policy worked that good that people pay lots more than they would have to, they hired the first new guy after one year and the last time I heard "a new server today", it was #88.
 
@kaiser They sound pretty good. Though I doubt I will do much business with them, if they don't provide English-language service :)
 
they say "not yet", but I doubt they will ever :)
 
@MichaelHampton I'd classify the whole of PHP as Obnoxious
 
what appeals to most people is their really well written knowledgebase/wiki. it's so dense that in 99/100 cases you will simply find the answer there
 
12:37 AM
anyway, the day one of you is opening the doors to their servers: ping me :)
 
Someone changed "cloud" to "butt" in World of Warcraft...
 
@MichaelHampton That'd be an easy mod to write. Tooltips are hookable on display and modifiable.
(I may or may not have written a bunch of mods back in my WoW days..)
(one of which is still maintained by the community and is approaching 10 million downloads, so that's neat)
 
@ShaneMadden Oh, which one?
 
@ShaneMadden Really, that was you? That's like a mandatory addon.
 
12:42 AM
@MichaelHampton Hah! Yup, I wrote that.
I think most of my code's gone due to a major refactor that one of the patches required, but still.
 
@ShaneMadden Damn. I still play WoW an hour or two a day or so.
 
@MichaelHampton I would not have had you down as a WoWer
 
@MarkHenderson Is that because I have a girlfriend?
 
@MichaelHampton No, because I don't think you've ever mentioned it and it seems to go against the grain of everything I assume about you
 
@MichaelHampton I've heard good things about the latest expansion stuff but haven't bothered to pick it back up - haven't touched it since cataclysm (and that was just for a month to play through the new zones and levels). The next expansion is pulling my nostalgia strings from warcraft 1/2 lore, so I'll probably check that out
 
12:45 AM
@MarkHenderson I have to kill someone.. the government doesn't like me killing users.
@ShaneMadden Yeah, you sure do look a lot like Nevcairiel.
 
@MichaelHampton I had you down as more of a Counterstrike or a TF2 player
 
@MarkHenderson I know of at least one other WoW player in here...
 
Especially as Source engine stuff has run on Linux native for a while
 
@MarkHenderson Naa...I never could get into FPS games
 
@MichaelHampton Heh, that's not me, he took over maintaining it since I wasn't
 
12:47 AM
I'm hopeless at any competitive online game, but I'm particularly bad at online FPS
 
Though it's funny you mention that. Ironically I got into WoW after helping someone get it running on their Linux box.
 
Well there you go
 
@MarkHenderson I did buy the Orange Box but I only really liked Portal
And that, of course, only lasted so long.
@ShaneMadden If you do come back you get a free level 90 boost for one character when you preorder the next expansion, and Blizzard has put together some catch-up videos for people coming back.
 
@MichaelHampton That's pretty cool of them (though I won't use the level boost on my main, might use it to bring up the old alt) - might need to check that out once I'm done with crazy travel and vet stuff (puppy cancer :( ) the next couple weeks.
 
And speaking of coming back... @Basil you quit, right?
 
12:56 AM
@MichaelHampton huh?
 
@Basil Er, I meant quit WoW
 
@MichaelHampton Oh yeah, I did
I'm planning on getting wildstar
it's all the old wow devs with a game that doesn't try to be something it's not
 
Damn, how am I supposed to learn how to huntard now?
 
:)
It's not as hard as it used to be
honestly, wow is basically over now
 
Cynwise just quit too...he ran a well known warlock blog
 
12:57 AM
I know him- or used to
 
I've finally gotten into hearthstone a bit - worked well to play in the hotel on the ipad this last weekend
 
I was never into MTG so hearthstone didn't appeal to me
I'm planning on writing about the wildstar economy when I get into it
that was the most interesting part of wow
 
@Basil Fair enough. I played magic back in.. middle school?.. when it got big initially, then didn't touch it for over a decade. Have some friends who still play, we do drafts every once in a while.
 
I'm not really getting into Hearthstone either. Nor did MTG do it for me
 
Recently, I've been playing a few single player games and a mmo flight sim
it's boring.
I miss an engrossing MMO, but I don't like eve's design and don't want to go back to wow
I'm working on the review queue- this guy posted a long answer that seems to read like a comment or someone trawling for links back to his blog
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A: RAID level confusion (MegaCli vs megasasctl output)

Adam DFirst of all, thank you all for your collective help in trying to get accurate information. I am disappointed with LSI's documentation on megacli - the impetus for creating the reference page for myself in the first place. In regards to the section showing the raid levels and megaCLI's outputs,...

I could edit out the irrelevant stuff or just let the votes keep it at the bottom
I'm going to skip for now so it comes up in someone else's review queue
 
1:10 AM
@Basil I'll take care of this guy :)
 
@MichaelHampton I don't think he linked to his own blog, though
 
@Basil Yeah, he kind of forgot that part
 
@MichaelHampton I am working on a code formatting problem now- is there a markdown sandbox on one of the levels of hell that we use to parse markdown?
 
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Q: Formatting Sandbox

Ólafur WaageAs per Jeff's suggestion in this comment: You can use this question as a formatting sandbox. You can edit this question itself (Community Wiki questions such as this one require 100 reputation to edit) post answers to this question (Since this question is protected this requires 10 reputatio...

 
@MichaelHampton thanks
Christ, there's a "show preview" button I totally missed.
@MichaelHampton what about serverfault.com/a/598954/96078? It sounds like a terrible idea, but I can't linux worth a damn, so I'm going by the words around the terms I don't know...
I guess I'll skip it too
 
1:26 AM
@Basil Funny, I was just reading that
@Basil And that guy's issue, I think, is that he didn't understand the question
 
@MichaelHampton We're driving at the same speed through the same tunnel...
You edited something I think should be closed- serverfault.com/q/598920/96078
He's not the admin, and he's asking for opinions
 
I swear I've answered this question before.
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Q: Upgraded Ubuntu, all drives in one zpool marked unavailable

Matt SiekerI just upgraded Ubuntu 14.04, and I had two ZFS pools on the server. There was some minor issue with me fighting with the ZFS driver and the kernel version, but that's worked out now. One pool came online, and mounted fine. The other didn't. The main difference between the tool is one was just a ...

@MichaelHampton You know Linux... is something really off with Ubuntu?
 
@Basil Even if he isn't the admin, it's a common enough question, and reasonably good. Besides, I try not to miss an opportunity to educate developers :)
It is something that admins need to know, and that isn't obvious (at first)
 
@MichaelHampton true, but the question itself can only be answered by an opinion: "How can the official CentOS repository provide such an old (and dangerous) version?"
 
@ewwhite Besides the whole damn thing?
@Basil He thinks it's dangerous because he doesn't know about backporting. He's not asking for opinions.
 
1:30 AM
@MichaelHampton udev shouldn't be breaking on Ubuntu. At least not between versions.
 
@MichaelHampton Fair enough- I don't understand what he's talking about, of course. That's my biggest problem when going through these. I have to read what they wrote rather than extrapolate what they must mean ;)
 
@Basil Yeah, there's no real Windows or storage analog to this
 
@MichaelHampton Hah, you assume I know Windows any better than I do CentOS ;)
 
Wait...what do you know? :)
 
I'm an AIX user without admin rights, and know Windows from arm's length
@MichaelHampton Hunters and gold making
and an arcane type of storage that's in use in a very small number of IT shops
 
1:33 AM
@Basil Sidenote: Standard Comment snippet for such questions: "Answers should be more than plain links. They should actually be an answer instead of a route where someone will maybe find an answer. Please help preventing link rot, [edit] your answer and provide the needed information that helps the OP as well as later visitors to solve their problem." More drama.
 
@Basil I haven't used AIX since ... the 90's.
 
@basil You should work for a company like thinkahead.com
 
@kaiser I let Michael take that one ;)
 
@ewwhite They seem like they've gotten worse lately. Chasing the new hotness instead of making something that works right.
 
As soon as I had a way to run something Unix-like at home I was hooked :)
 
1:34 AM
@MichaelHampton It got big... we have 5 frames that do more work than I thought possible
@ewwhite What am I looking at?
 
@Basil Yeah...when they say "big iron" they aren't kidding
 
@MichaelHampton Well, strictly speaking, that refers to z/OS...
 
@Basil datacenter virtualization consulting firm here in Chicago
 
@Basil All I really know about IBM is they have magic self-healing server pixie dust...
 
@MichaelHampton We have a pretty serious VMWare infrastructure- at least 15 clusters, 8 of which are at HQ and run 12 esx hosts each. Hundreds of VMs. And that's dwarfed by our AIX, which runs hundreds of the type of heavy duty VMs that VMWare prefers to leave on hardware.
 
1:38 AM
@Basil With enough $, you can virtualize anything.
 
Can I virtualize Oracle into a small spacecraft and launch it into the sun?
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@ewwhite The issue is virtualizing it for less than it costs to keep on hardware
@MichaelHampton Only the new storage. And Java. I want to keep Solaris, Storagetek tape silos, and their database.
 
You can have their database. I'd like to get Solaris back.
 
@MichaelHampton We just hired someone with 30 years of solaris administration experience
she's the new storage admin
 
@Basil I presume that includes SunOS
 
1:41 AM
@MichaelHampton I don't know what that is- but the shop she comes from ran all their databases on solaris
 
@Basil It was the OS before Solaris, from about 1982-1992
 
@MichaelHampton Oh cool :)
30 years. Christ, she started when I was 2
 
Solaris uses a totally different kernel than SunOS
They switched to a different kernel (and renamed the product) in 1992 due to the lawsuit
 
@Basil My former employer's former DNS admin started with them in 1969. It wasn't until DNS was platformed off BSDi to Windows in 2010 that he stopped being a sysadmin in truth.
@Basil Hell, he was still there managing the swipe door access system when I left back in February.
 
@ScottPack We have a guy whose job it was to load tapes on the mainframe back before we got a robot... now all he does is facilitate shipping things and crosswords, apparently
still sits in the datacenter
 
1:48 AM
Do you work for the government?
 
@MichaelHampton No, but he did when he started...
 
@Basil Tape Storage Technician
 
We were a crown corporation that was spun out to the market in the 90s
 
Oh, that explains it :)
 
@ShaneMadden There used to be a team of guys who needed to do serious literal heavy lifting to be storage admin
 
1:49 AM
@Basil Heh, fair enough
 
that's what the guy who sits next to me started with
 
2:14 AM
I'm not quite that old!
 
He started young- he's only 50 or so, but has been with the company 30 years
 
@Basil Yeah, but I'm pretty sure that hard drive was old 30 years ago.
 
@MichaelHampton sounds like the kind of thing we'd have been using in 84 ;)
 
@Basil Oh yes, crown corporation, right.
 
@MichaelHampton Not just that- all large IT orgs end up with more stuff than they can reasonably keep up to date
First, older is a little more reliable usually. Sometimes.
 
2:19 AM
Except when it isn't.
 
Second, it takes a monumental effort to move as much weight onto a new platform as an enterprise tends to carry. Something that would be a contractor or three and a few weeks at a normal shop is a 12 month million dollar engagement for me
 
The thing is, back then you could donate your old kit to a computer museum. Now it's e-waste.
 
third, brb, smoking
 
Idjit
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Q: How to hide recent files and most used apps?

Swapnil NarendraHow can I hide recent files that my Ubuntu Netbook's unity menu shows when I click on the files and folder icon? Okay ! I watch porn sometimes and right after that it appears in the files and folder menu. And believe me, that is not a good thing. :D So, please tell me if there is a way to do t...

Who watches porn off their computer these days? Stream it in a private window, close and forget
(I would have avoided getting in trouble at home so much if private mode had existed in IE4)
 
@MichaelHampton the large shops out there will tend to trail in some places, but it's not museum level, usually. We have a few clunkers around, but most of the time we only lag by a few years more than medium sized shops
 
2:25 AM
@Basil But all too often that's beyond the point where it can be resold on eBay
 
We ran VMWare 4 until late last year because so many of our VMs needed modifications to work in 5
 
Oh, and remind me never to work in a large shop
 
@MichaelHampton We never sell our old stuff... I don't know why. I asked, because I'm about to decom a pair of Brocade 48000s that are probably worth at least 50 grand in parts, but nope, even though we could shred the stuff that holds config data and sell the rest, they want the whole thing disposed of
@MichaelHampton The money's good. And any time I need to buy something, there's never any question about budget. I get what I need, regardless of cost
 
So they basically still run it like a crown corporation? :)
 
nope, we're ridiculously profitable
In no small part because of our ability to deliver bleeding edge applications to the business
 
2:27 AM
Oh, well that explains it
And I'll be happy to "decommission" those switches for you...for free! :)
 
We have this really cool business intelligence thing we built that'll analyze data from the trains and correlate random bits of data to help with our operational data. The example we like to parade to the executives is that it discovered a throttle setting for the "cruise control" that saves us over 6 million dollars in fuel a year
plus a ton of broken [edit: train] knuckles
 
@Basil I will dispose of that for you
 
We have another application we wrote that overlays data from like 15 different applications that used to be up on 15 different screens in the rail traffic controller stations onto a single google map. That's reduced accidents.
 
I totally have an industrial shredder in my garage
Ignore the fact that it looks like a 24U rack. That's just to disguise it.
 
I'll provide you with a nice piece of paper for every item decommissioned!
 
2:32 AM
heh, they're pretty weird about that for some reason.
 
Whatever @MichaelHampton is charging you for decomissioning it, I will charge 10% less
 
I'll even send back a truck full of crushed parts, if you want.
 
@MichaelHampton I will dispose of them in an environmentally friendly manner so that @Basil's company doesn't need to worry about it
I'll throw that in gratis
I'll take a photo of it first as proof
 
We have another cool program we're working on now that uses a 3d map of the right of way generated by a low-flying plane with a lidar box on it to analyze things that can indicate a future washout or derailment risk. It'll also be used to help comply with some hairy legislation we need to start complying by that forces us to be able to enforce train handling rules
 
@Basil That'll really freak out the hobos.
 
2:36 AM
@MichaelHampton I was suggesting that they start flying autonomous drones around for this :)
get closer to real time
 
I can see a day where some trains have clouds of small laser carrying drones flying ahead of it to ensure that we have time to stop before a washout
 
@Basil That sounds awesome
Multirotors are getting cheaper and better and more efficient
 
@MarkHenderson It's not even close to close yet- the FAA is still not sure how to handle these types of things.
also, if they stay around a few thousand dollars, it'll probably never be cost efficient
 
@Basil I thought you were canoodian?
Do you you share an FAA with America?
 
2:40 AM
@MarkHenderson I don't know, actually... but we run trains to the gulf of mexico
 
Yeah, that whole NAFTA thing?
 
@Basil A multirotor that can carry a kilo or so can be had for a few hundred bucks - but I don't think it's up to mass production standards
More hobbiest kit stuff
 
@MarkHenderson Maybe as lidar weights come down, this will make more sense. Also, if these things can stay aloft longer on a single charge.
 
@Basil Well that's the other issue of course. You'd need a small fleet of them that tag team eachother and return to base to land. Landing a multirotor on a moving train would probably be pretty fucking hard to program
Also: they would need to travel as fast as your train. Fastest ones at the moment can hit 100km/h but that's about it, and certainly not with a payload
 
2:43 AM
@MarkHenderson I've seen a computer juggle things using multirotors
 
@Basil Ohh yeah I saw that video too. A Ted video
 
@MarkHenderson Any time we can do 65 MPH, we're pretty damned sure that the track is safe. It's when we're in dark territory going 20 that we're most likely to hit a washout.
 
Trying to download WatchDoge was a bad idea
:(
 
@Jacob How come?
 
2:45 AM
@MarkHenderson So slooooow
 
Only took 25 mins for me. Although my wife got shitty when I told her I was goign to play it so I havent played it yet :(
Tonight maybe
 
I could drive to Walmart and back 30x before this finishes
 
@Jacob watchdoge
 
@Jacob Keep in mind that the vast majority of Australia experiences those sorts of downloads always, normally, all the time
It took my brother 7 hours to download it
 
@Jacob such game
 
2:46 AM
@Jacob If the aussie could download it quickly, there seems to be a problem with your internets.
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@ShaneMadden I guess Microsoft didn't pay Verizon to use the fast lane.
 
@Jacob You downloading on xbox?
Well thars yar problem
 
@MarkHenderson ???
 
@Jacob Whhy Microsoft?
Do you mean Valve?
 
@Basil I presume you could follow that question about migration?
 
2:48 AM
@MarkHenderson Because Xbox is a Microsoft product?
 
@MichaelHampton Follow? I know what he was asking- he wants to move workloads, and wasn't aware that this is supported by kvm
I can't tell him how, though :(
 
@Basil I had almost forgotten that one... I was going to smack that question rather hard :)
 
Hopefully someone that does will answer it, get it accepted, and then google will send people there when they search "how to move VMs from one KVM server to another"
 
I just right-click the VM, choose Migrate..., select its new host, and off it goes.
 
@MichaelHampton that would probably get you a green check ;)
 
2:50 AM
@Jacob Then why did you get confused when I said xbox?
 
and help anyone else googling how to do it
 
Anyway yeah I just remembered that you can't game on the master race
So of course you're on xbox
 
@MarkHenderson Verizon is the largest tier 1 ISP
 
@Basil The problem is that that's only useful if he's using virt-manager as a front end. If he's using something else then the exact procedure is different. He really needs to clarify the question, but he never came back to do so.
 
Where did you get valve from?
 
2:51 AM
@Jacob Because everyone else is using Steam to download it, so I thought you must have been on Steam
 
@MichaelHampton I suppose a good answer could have the virt-manager and the command line answer...
 
And judging by what I've read, your internet in America is going to be even shittier than our internet soon
Unless you live in a Google Fiber area
 
@MarkHenderson Internet here..you know it's bad when I've been drooling over a UK ISP.
 
Google is also making peering available for free now, and that'll reduce the ISP's ability to throttle
 
@Basil Gives a lot of micro-ISPs a chance to jump in. That'd be good.
 
2:53 AM
If all their clients start streaming their videos from a google datacenter in their city, they'll have a hard time making that slow
 
Bob
@MarkHenderson You just had to say it.
 
@Basil Honestly, if I were netflix, I would just post a banner saying "HEY if this buffers like shit, it's Verizon fucking you over, not us. Here's a list of other ISPs that you might want to consider!"
 
@MarkHenderson that wouldn't make them more money or they'd do it
As it is, they'll quietly fume, cooperate as much as possible, and as soon as they can, stap verizon in the back
 
@Basil Depends, they might break even compared to the amount they have to pay for being ransomed
Also, it's the moral high ground
 
you can't put moral high ground into a dividend cheque
also, be wary of companies claiming to try to be moral.
 
2:56 AM
@Basil Say they lose 10,000 subscribers by doing that. That's $80k/month. If Verizon are charging them more than that, it's a net win
 
Powerful individuals that get all the company's profit are certainly allowed to be moral, but companies aren't really the right place for that
 
@Basil I couldn't disagree more
 
@MarkHenderson You have 4 minutes :P I've got to go to bed soon
 
I work for a company that has a moral backbone and a spine to go with it, and it works fine for us. Perhaps if more companies were moral in their hiring, staffing, price setting, labour conditions, and choice of external contractors, the world would be a better place
 
@MarkHenderson Companies that try to be moral are serving the interests of moral individuals in the company. The reason it works is either the moral backbone has real power in the company, or because appearing to be moral is profitable.
 
2:59 AM
When someone pays $150 for a pair of Levi 502's that were made in Bangladesh in squalor conditions and the total manufacturing cost is about $0.20 and then sells them at a million percent markup, that doesn't fit my definition of moral behaviour
 
I guess what I'm really saying is that google isn't not evil.
 
@Basil No, google certainly are not not evil
 
Not that companies should be allowed to do obviously immoral things.
So don't trust american apparel, apple, google, david's tea, or any other company trying to get you to trust them
 
@Basil I don't trust any large company
I don't trust most medium sized companies
And I don't trust most small companies, because they are trying to become large companies
 
On that note, it's time for bed :) I'll see you guys tomorrow
 
3:00 AM
Cya
 
I don't ever want to be a large company
 
@MichaelHampton Cisco was the last large company I worked for
I then did medium sized companies, and they were OK
Now I'm at a small business and I'm never going back
 
I quit the corporate world in 2005. I can hardly imagine going back. Everyone's description of a normal day at work sounds like a horror story to me.
 
@MichaelHampton Word, brother. fistbump
 
@MichaelHampton My day to day work at Cisco was fine. I liked my colleagues, the pay was good. But the bureaucracy. The red tape. The in-fighting. The bitchiness. Middle management ruined the whole thing.
 
3:13 AM
@MarkHenderson Precisely.
 
Yeah, I'm having a similar problem start cropping up, but it's going to be nipped in the bud...
 
I got pretty badly burned by one colleage, who shall remain nameless (her name was Funda). She was promised a particular position, but they decided to give me the promotion instead, and she made it her mission to make me suffer for it.
 
@MarkHenderson that is such a common story there are entire books written about dealing with it
 
When she eventually quit she did a goodby email that named everyone in the office and what she liked about them. My name was last and she wrote "Mark. Well, Mark. Fuck you"
@FalconMomot I bet. Anyway I got fired from there for stealing PIX licenses
 
@MarkHenderson ?!
 
3:16 AM
Well, 'stealing' is a harsh word. It was more like using a documented backup procedure to generate PIX license keys without the requirement for a PAK
One day their licensing system went offline, so we were given the procedure for generating permanant PIX licenses without having a PAK (license entitelement proof)
I realised I could buy a PIX on eBay, upgrade it to a UR license and re-sell it for twice the price
 
@MarkHenderson Wuh-wooops.
 
I got greedy though and someone from Cisco ran an entitlement check on one of the SN's that I was selling (from a screenshot), raised a flag with management, they contact ebays anti-fraud department, got the details on the account and matched it against employee records.
 
oops.
 
That's what she said.
 
evenin' gents
 
3:24 AM
I'm still a bit pissed that ebay gave them my full profile, username, full name, dob, etc, just by them asking nicely
They even had my paypal login email
 
@MarkHenderson Of course. That's the "whenever we feel like doing it" exception in the privacy policy.
 
@MarkHenderson I'm not surprised though. Most companies nowadays will drop trou at the smallest request.
 
@Magellan This was 2004 but probably the same then
 
Those agreements are NEVER designed to protect you. You're just that inconvenient thing that they call a customer.
 
Oh yeah Cisco were dicks about that too. They kept me hanging for months about whether or not they would pursue further legal action
I was 19 years old and freaked out about my future. I didn't apply for any new jobs because I was afraid that I would have to go to court or whatever over it
Every time I called to ask if they had an update I was told "We will call you once we've made a decision"
They never did call me
 
3:29 AM
@MarkHenderson Cisco is always dickish. That's their default. Have you seen the pricing they want for 200G SSDs?
 
@Magellan lol yes when I priced an ASA5525-X
It was a 40GB SSD but same shit
 
@MarkHenderson Yeah, I deal with a lot of their stuff nowadays. Oy.
 
Mind you, I'd rather pay for an over-sized SSD than findout that the new AnyConnect image won't fit on the built-in 32mb flash because the IOS image is 20MB and the AnyConnect image is 12.1MB
 
what are the likely causes of me not being able to connect to a share I created on my new FreeNAS system? I am a complete noob to Server stuff.
 
And then even on the newer models that support USBFLASH0: you can't put the AnyConnect images on the USB drive, but you can put the goddam flash image on the USB drive
What the fuck?
@Malachi It's not turned on
@Malachi It's not plugged in
 
3:32 AM
@Malachi This is NOT a place for 'Live Support', Ask questions on the main site.
@Malachi Also, ask that on SuperUser. Not a good idea for ServerFault.
 
it is a server though, right?
 
@Malachi Go read the site's FAQ.
 
@Malachi My biggest guess though? I'd grep for PEBKAC errors.
99.9% of the time it's a PEBKAC
 
LOL funny
the part where I said I was a noob didn't point to that @Mark?
 
@Malachi Well I wasn't sure, seeing as how you seem to have trouble reading
 
3:36 AM
@Malachi You've provided about 5% of the information necessary to diag it for you. Please go ask SuperUser, who are more inclined to enjoy working on amateur environments.
 
I made a bad assumption that the chat rooms were supposed to support the main site
 
@Malachi Reading for Comprehension would be a good start to fix that.
 
@Malachi Some do, others don't. We most emphatically do not
 
@Malachi We spend most of our time in here talking about tubs of sex lube
 
@MarkHenderson All I learned from that was something about sexual content.
 
3:37 AM
btw did we ever start a pool for actually buying that thing? Cos I'm totally in for an equal share if we ever do
 
Hell, one gallon of lube is enough for a very wild weekend.
 
@ScottPack My bad, here's the version for the elderly
 
@MarkHenderson Right, and lube. While frequently linked they are not inherently so.
 
Maybe I should create a kickstarter for buying it
Or an indiegogo
 
 
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5:25 AM
So I just found out that "ThickThursday" is a thing
(absolutely NSFW)
(unless you are @ewwhite and still working for brazzers)
 
Bob
@MarkHenderson I take it I shouldn't look that up?
 
@Bob Depends. It's pretty sexy.
How does your employer feel about you looking at photo of hot but not anorexic women on work time?
 
Bob
@MarkHenderson I dunno, some of the searches I've been lead to from this chatroom...
 
It's NSFW by even my standards and my SFW standards are pretty low
 
Bob
ringworm of the groin springs to mind
 
5:40 AM
@Bob Blue waffles comes to my mind
 
Bob
@MarkHenderson What's wrong with a blue waffle?
(that one is SFW... unless you work in a kitchen, I guess)
 
We had to deal with some allegedly counterfeit SFPs that entered the supply chain. The switches raised errors (but only in some cases, ugh) and when $BIG_CUSTOMER contacted Cisco they were told yes they were counterfeit.

So we asked Cisco to certify to us that they were counterfeit so we could follow the chain upstream.

We were told "No, because we can't prove they're counterfeit."

Assholes.
 
Bob
@MikeyB Probably those NSA-modified ones.
 
@Bob hah!
 
5:56 AM
@MikeyB You worked for ebay?
 
@MarkHenderson Heh. No.
 
@MikeyB Who was this with?
Counterfeit SFP's seems pretty serious
 
@MarkHenderson Oh yeah and then the Nexus switches started to report some Cisco DACs as non-genuine. So having been burned once, we got ALL OVER Cisco's ass. Gave them all sorts of pictures, etc.
 
@MarkHenderson dude. THE ARROWS ARE THE WRONG COLOUR :/
 
"Oh yeah, that's a firmware problem. Sometimes good cables report as unsupported. Just set 'service unsupported-transceiver' and you're fine."
NYYYYAHGHHHHAHAHRRRRHGHRH
 

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