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7:20 AM
@AGoogler You here?
 
7:38 AM
Yes
 
@AGoogler Hi. [My internet connection is very bad today.]
 
@Sawarnik Hi! Why?
@Sawarnik Congratulations on hitting 2k rep!
 
Thanks! I think you gave a major part of the 2k. Don't ever delete your account!
It just is, there is never any reason for that.
 
BSNL brodband?
 
Yup.
 
7:44 AM
@Sawarnik Haha , me too.
 
So here's a question. $m_a$ and $m_b$ intersect at right angles, a and b are given. Find c.
 
How to type subscript
?
 
You could Google that, a Googler :)
 
GOt it
Use appolonius theorem twice. Then use $BG=2/3m_{b}$ and same for $AG$ . And then apply pythagoras's theorem .
 
What kind of equation that would give? o.o
 
7:51 AM
Three equations , three variables. But all equations would be quadratic , so very hard to solve.
 
You could do without Appollonius.
And I liked this question, math.stackexchange.com/questions/739886/… , verrry much. It defeated me :[
 
@Sawarnik Nice , I didn't see that there are two other right triangles too.
Whenever I try to solve a geometry problem , I mostly get lots of equations and lots of variables.
@Sawarnik Similarity is actually quite a good tool to solve geometry problems.
 
I see. I tend to mostly avoid getting many variables, especially in geometry, instead I try to think of tricks that could fit in.
Yup, it is. But these days it hasn't been quite obvious to see. I always start down the trig path :(
 
@Sawarnik I've to study chemistry for tomorrow's exam now , so bye.
 
Wow! Eric answer's here is great math.stackexchange.com/questions/465103/… . I was too starting to think of Heron's and some area properties
@AGoogler Ok bye :)
 
8:02 AM
@Sawarnik Yes that was delightful ,bye :)
 
@AGoogler Congrats for reaching 1000!
Bye :)
 
SK vs. PK
 
@ParthKohli Is the finale tommorow?
 
@Sawarnik I know you made it , thanks!
 
@Sawarnik Yes.
 
8:05 AM
Oo. Make a nice poster.
 
bye for 15-20 mins now. for breakfast.
 
lol
 
8:23 AM
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@ParthKohli Back. Good enough.
@AGoogler Do you watch crickeet?
@skullpatrol Hey skull, I hope you would have been a mod.
 
8:42 AM
nah :-)
 
9:39 AM
@ParthKohli Hi again.
 
9:58 AM
@Sawarnik do you know how to play cricket?
 
10:16 AM
@skullpatrol Yea, not like actual players of course, but good enough.
 
 
1 hour later…
11:17 AM
@AGoogler Cimon post some nice geometry questions when you come. Maybe this is the final day I get to enjoy them. I m waiting ...
 
12:17 PM
@ParthKohli Is your chilling period over?
 
12:50 PM
@Sawarnik ?
 
1:08 PM
@Sawarnik Are you here ? I need some help
 
1:24 PM
@AGoogler Yea, back.
 
@Sawarnik A regular $12$ sided polygon is inscribed in a circle of radius $10$. $A, B, C, D, E$ are its consecutive vertices taken in that order. Find the area of quad. $ABDE$.
 
@ParthKohli You said that you were chilling out, means you weren't studying anything new. Is it over?
@AGoogler Looks easy. Let me see carefully.
 
sure
 
Oh, no it may be difficult. Drawing a 12 sided polygon is not easy itself!
 
Just draw its 5 sides
 
1:28 PM
Oh, right! Infact its not easy.
But its regular let me see what i can make of that.
@AGoogler What is an angle of a regular 12 gon?
 
150
degree
What?
 
Oh, no silly mistake.
First of all if radius is 10, then side is?
 
20*sin(15)
 
Put it on main, and i m eating so i cant think much.
 
Okay
 
1:41 PM
@Sawarnik I have been studying electricity.
 
@AGoogler I actually have a complicated sol but can't think better sine i m eating.
 
@Sawarnik Is that quadrilateral a trapezium?
 
@AGoogler Eaten. Now I may think.
 
sure
 
@AGoogler Yes, it a cyclic trapezium.
 
2:09 PM
@ParthKohli Argh, physics :(
 
@Sawarnik Why do you hate physics? After all its 80% math.
 
@AGoogler Here is my complicated solution, which I am not sure is even correct:
 
okay
 
Since $BOD$ is equilateral, $BD=10$. The height of the trapezium (why?) $ABDE$ is $\frac{s}{\sqrt2}$ as $\angle BAE =45^{\circ}$, where $s$ is the side. So the area is, $\frac{s^2}2+5\sqrt2s$.
 
Why is angle $BAE = 45$ ?
Got it
 
2:13 PM
Ok :)
 
I used inscribed angle theorem actually
 
Oo, good.
 
Let me check if the answer is correct
Answer is coming wrong if I substitute s=20sin15 , wolframalpha.com/input/…
The actual answer is 50
 
Hmm..where did we go wrong?
 
I think you did some mistake while calculating the formula
I got the answer as 50
@Sawarnik See here, goo.gl/KH8X6Q
Using area formula for trapezium
$1/2(h)(a+b)$
 
2:22 PM
Oo.
 
Here $b=a+s*2\cos45$
 
But there must be some nice geometric ways, after all the answer is so simple.
 
Yep
 
@AGoogler Is there any way we can easily calculate $\angle AMB$ where M is the intersection of diagonals?
 
2:54 PM
I'm back (electricity failure)
 
@AGoogler Ok, I found some more complicated solutions. But why in the world, can't anyone find a good answer!
 
Which solution?
 
Nothing better, getting angles from the center and doing stuff. But leave it. If we an easily calculate ∠AMB where M is the intersection of diagonals, then there is a formula that is highly useful.
 
Can you get ∠AEB?
noe
nope
 
Then the answer by frigue is good enough.
 
3:01 PM
Maybe AMB is 30 deg
 
I know it is, but dunnno how to prove it in any easy way.
 
I can
 
How? :))
 
AEB=DAE=15, Then AME is 120. So AMB = 60
 
And how is AEB=DAE=15?
 
3:04 PM
Oh wait yes
So AMB is 30 :)
@Sawarnik Inscribed angle theorem
1/2*30=15
 
Ok. Then we can use:
$Area=2R^2\sin{A}\sin{B}\sin{\theta}$
 
?
Theta is AMB?
 
Yea.
It becomes Area=2*100*1/2*1/2=50.
 
Sin A =?
 
45deg of course!
 
3:09 PM
lol yes
From where did you get the formula?
 
pg 83. last q.
still its a heavy solution.
 
Wow , how do you solve so many problems?
 
actually, (runs and hides) i haven't
but they are very good questions.
 
Ok , bye :)
 
Bye :)
Bring some more good questions next time :)
 
3:15 PM
Well I'll probably take a break after tomorrows test
 
Oh. You won't come again tonight?
 
 
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6:32 PM
@ParthKohli U here?
 
@Sawarnik Yes!
 
@ParthKohli ok
 
@Sawarnik LOL!
Anyway...
Yes, physics.
 
@ParthKohli No :]
 
@Sawarnik K.
 
6:37 PM
Anyway...
Yes, maths.
 
What have you been studying in maths?
 
Actually, nothing these days.
 
School?
S -> school
P -> physics
:P
 
I learnt the basics of set theory and some integral tricks, a week or so ago.
@ParthKohli You guilty of offending His Royal Highness' interests.
 
@Sawarnik You guilty of offending Richard Feynman's interests.
You guilty of offending Isaac Newton's interests.
You guilty of offending Albert Einstein's interests.
 
6:41 PM
I follow the king of this land, not the outsiders :p
@ParthKohli You?
 
@Sawarnik I told you earlier.
 
@ParthKohli Apart from physics? Maths?
 
@Sawarnik Nothing in maths, really.
have you studied the following trick in definite integrals?
 
Probably no.
 
$$\int_{0}^{a} f(x)dx = \int_{0}^{a} f(a - x)dx$$
 
6:46 PM
Wow! Nice trick.
 
(sarcasm?)
I learned it today. Technically, yesterday.
 
Oh. Any applications?
 
Trig.
 
Like?
 
For example if you want to integrate$$\int_{0}^{\pi}\dfrac{x \sin(x)}{1 + \cos^2(x)}dx$$
Let me think of more examples.
 
6:51 PM
@ParthKohli How will you find?
$$\int_{0}^{\pi}\dfrac{\sin(x)}{1 + \cos^2(x)}dx$$
 
@Sawarnik u-sub
But I only studied this thing in the context on physics, so meh.
 
@ParthKohli Which function to note in u-sub?
 
Half of that thing is math.
 
Me doesn't understand Leibniz notation btw.
Oh nice.
 
u = cos(x) I'd say
 
6:54 PM
Oh yeah. My brain stops working sometimes :(
 
Generally, if you see that the denominator differentiates and gets a term in the numerator, you're looking to u-sub.
Yeah, IDK, my brain has started to work a little these days. It's not as pathetic as it earlier was.
But it still doesn't have the patience for challenging problems.
 
@ParthKohli lol!
@ParthKohli Me too :)
@ParthKohli Why is it named u-sub? I never sub a u.
 
@Sawarnik Then sub whatever you want. It's just a convention.
 
@ParthKohli I don't sub anything at all, kind of.
 
@Sawarnik WAT.
 
7:00 PM
@ParthKohli I identify the f and g in $f'(g(x))\cdot g'(x)$. I never use the silly Leibniz notation.
 
@Sawarnik I've remembered the chain rule that way.
So don't feel bad!
 
Chain rule is easy to remember, its the quotient rule that I never remember. And yeah, sin(a+b) and cos(a+b) and sina+sinb and tan(2a) and .....................
@ParthKohli Sometimes when you overstudy maths gets boring.
 
@Sawarnik Yeah, I'm finding physics really refreshing.
I love the tricks more. They just are so good.
 
@ParthKohli Which tricks?
 
@Sawarnik Tricks in everything.
 
7:10 PM
@ParthKohli You guilty of offending His Royal Highness' beliefs.
 
@Sawarnik lol
 
@ParthKohli Is your utube working?
 
@Sawarnik 240p is a little sloppy, but I think I can make it work.
 
@ParthKohli Good.
@ParthKohli Ok, this for a start if you want, youtube.com/watch?v=WGrKpmtdVGk
 
It's not working anymore. :(
 
7:17 PM
Gooder.
 
 
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9:01 PM
@skullpatrol Um :(
 
np :)
2/5
40% correct
do you write it as %40 also?
 
@skullpatrol Why, of course not.
 
Is there anything mathematically wrong with writing it as %40?
 
@skullpatrol Hmm...looks like I found the right answer! yay!
@skullpatrol No.
 
Prove it.
 
9:14 PM
@skullpatrol Give some hints.
 
Prove: 40% = %40
 
@skullpatrol Some more sir.
 
40% = 40/100
 
And what is %40?
Defintion?
 
you tell me
 
9:16 PM
No you define it. I don't know the definition sir.
 
40% = 40/100 = 40*(1/100)
 
No %40?
 
40% = 40*(1/100), correct?
therefore % = ?
40% = 40*(%)
 
No you need to define %40 separately. Or just %.
Ok you just did that.
Now its easy.
 
ab = ba
 
9:20 PM
@skullpatrol Anyways, why are you so interested in that?
 
because it's math
 
@skullpatrol Its maths that no one cares about. is there any reason you particularly care about?
 
I like it.
that's the only reason I need pal :)
 
@skullpatrol And some other elementary stuff, you ask in your questions?
 
1 min ago, by skullpatrol
I like it.
1 min ago, by skullpatrol
that's the only reason I need pal :)
 
9:24 PM
@skullpatrol You are a tough nut!
 
@skullpatrol I need some hackers to get into your computer :p
 
there are courses on youtube about that
from MIT
 
Have you seen anyone of them?
 
some...
go there, it is a great source
 
9:26 PM
So you are not a hacker atleast.
 
nah
 
Maybe the course is the reason you don't trust internet.
 
I'm a skull hacker
on patrol
 
@skullpatrol Wat does that mean exactly?
 
It is from american football...just a fan
that's all there is to it
like since ab = ba 40% = %40
 
9:30 PM
@skullpatrol Can you tell why don't you trust the internet to the extent that you can't reveal your age?
 
nope
in real life i don't ask others their age, why do it here?
 
@skullpatrol because people are curious wheter they are of the same level or not. bcoz people don't like to be friends with ghosts also maybe
 
if they are that curious they should go out into the real world...
...and find real friends
 
no it just better for both to tell them their levels. people know that i m a kid so graduates won't meddle maths with me. just like that.
 
i'm not trying to be rude
just honest
sorry
 
9:36 PM
sorry.
 
I trust my family.
note the period^
:)
 
@skullpatrol Ok, so I realize you are tougher than a nut :|
 
wow, that lined up PERFECT!
 
@skullpatrol So you have no friends?
 
some
 
9:41 PM
so the period is at the wrong place.
 
well there is trust and there is TRUST
 
@skullpatrol ok :) you are a strange guy
 
i gotta run pal
see ya
 
Happy running :)
 

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