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user55340
12:12 AM
Good, but depressing (and applicable to @maple_shaft 's earlier plight today) thecodelesscode.com/case/138
 
@dylanribb A singleton that holds some XML values.
 
user55340
1:08 AM
@enderland how am I to ever get 150 rep if you guys won't approve my tag wiki changes? ;-)
 
user41796
1:35 AM
Free spam flags. And how did it last this long?!
 
user41796
-2
A: How is"cloud computing"different from "client-server"?

edwardsmithClient server is a kind of application architecture which partitions the work between the providers of a resource, called servers, and service requesters, called clients. Here Clients send the request to the server and the service fetch the results and send the response to the client. Where as ...

 
user41796
@MichaelT Throw an answer out there and he can bounty you all the way to voting privileges.
 
user55340
0
A: How can we convince the programming department to quiet down

MichaelTA key part to working in a programming team is collaboration. Sometimes this collaboration takes place in commit messages or email - but sometimes it needs to happen via talking - it it can take a long time to describe something in text while talking the problem out allows for much more dense co...

 
user55340
Actually, all it will take is a few up votes on that likely hot question.
 
user55340
(793 views today - thats a bit on TW)
 
11:05 AM
@MichaelT I wish that I was stuck in framework hell. I am desperately trying to make order of chaos, apply new skills and learn new things to stay relevant, and in the background people with undeserved power over myself and the project, the brain child of my fruitless efforts, the culmination of what I was able to achieve despite a complete lack of vision and direction, the control of this is being wrestled away from me and defecated on...
... A content management system that was made to put the power in their hands and now they don't even want responsibility for content trying to argue it is a "technical concern". So now because I know more about this than anyone they want me to do content for them, probably at the expense of me ever being on an interesting project again.
The hook is they are too stupid to realize that they don't need to pay an engineers salary to manage content, but I will inevitably have to take an enormous pay cut to actually utilize my skills and do real software design again.
you try to explain that it would be cheaper to hire an analyst to manage content but they can't grasp the concept
I feel trapped
I hate my job
I question my career
(hate my life is kind of harsh, I love my home life)
I question IT in general
When I started it was fun and I felt like I could make the world a better place. Now I feel that I am enhancing a luddite reality that will bring untold misery and suffering to my children and their children. I feel guilty for bringing my wonderful boy into this world that I see only getting harder and harder to succeed in year after year
The only reason I put up with any of this is for him
/rant
 
@maple_shaft everybody wants power but no one wants the responsibility
 
user41796
11:44 AM
@maple_shaft Sounds like exactly where I was at in 2010 and 2011.
 
user41796
I was working for the ... words honestly fail me ... most despicable person I have ever worked for. A snake in the vilest sense of the word.
 
user41796
In my particular case, I was able to expend some political capital because of a situation the snake created and moved laterally within the organization. That reduced a lot of the stress I had been putting myself under.
 
user41796
About a year later, I had a full-time death march dropped on my lap on top of three other full time projects. All of the organizational asininities that you mention were in place. I had a little over a year to go before I vested, but a meeting for the death march made it clear that I couldn't mentally last that long.
 
user41796
That's when I started hitting the job boards heavily and getting in touch with recruiters. Probably one of the best decisions I have ever made. I'm coming up on my 2nd work anniversary and I have never regretted my decision to walk away from that company.
 
user41796
@maple_shaft - hopefully that helps bolster your spirits. There are constructive options out there; sounds like it's time to start examining them.
 
11:58 AM
I wholeheartedly agree. The time to start looking elsewhere is before you start really hating your current job. But at that point - even getting fired would make you feel good...
 
user41796
@Oded I was at the point where a severance package would have been very attractive. Unfortunately, I was the only one earning income at that point in time. So I had to worry about making sure Cheerios were still going to be on the breakfast table.
 
Yep - first thing first. I was not advocating leaving without securing a different option first, unless one has enough savings to go for a while.
 
user41796
I know a few who had enough savings to be able to walk. My impression is that they had a harder time getting back into the workforce. Granted, that's only regional, anecdotal evidence, but the impression I have is it's better to have a new option in hand prior to turning in your resignation.
 
user41796
Completely off-topic to the previous conversation - I'm surprised to see the unicorn animation actually worked! Now I need to go close and delete some questions to see what's there... :-)
 
@GlenH7 that's quite right. Many employers will favour someone that is currently employed over someone who is not.
 
user41796
12:09 PM
And what's weird is that even contract work will overcome that stigma from being unemployed.
 
MSO 10K+ (but the url slug is all you need): meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/227709/does-god-exist (tagged: support!)
 
Contract work was some of the best employment I've had. Though there is normally no sense of closure on projects, it is quite easy to avoid politics and the working relationship is simple and honest.
@YannisRizos poor attempt at an April 1st post? OP has other Meta questions that are OK.
 
Probably... And self deleted, which is very rare with actual trolls.
Poor or not, I laughed when I saw the tag.
 
:)
Migration paths: Mi Yodea, Christianity & Islam (all 3 at once)
 
> Closed because unicorns
:)
I was disappointed though that I couldn't buy more Unicoins with Litecoins
Vaporware
Ahem...
LWQMKswRfz485cbYxw9rTUqR2g5U3QZAit
Feel free to pay me litecoin for my thoughts on a subject. 0.002 is a bargain
@GlenH7 Thanks. That helps to read that. I might pursue a transfer at this time as I want to be vested with the savings plan
 
 
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user41796
1:37 PM
@maple_shaft walking away from vesting was frustrating for me. I hated "leaving money on the table" but I knew that I had no other choice. When it became patently clear during that meeting that the newest project was going to be a multi-year, horrifically high-visibility death march, I knew that my next few career steps had been decided for me.
 
user55340
1:59 PM
Yesterday was "hey, its spring! 60F!" today its like "April Fools! Snow plows out salting and 4-8 inches predicted"
 
user41796
We've got storms rolling in tonight. Hopefully it will just be rain and no snow. But I'm expecting at least one more snowfall before we're done with this season
 
user55340
Btw, got my +60 rep from that answer on workplace... whee hot questions!
 
user41796
@MichaelT noticed that earlier. I had meant to tell you to go vote in the election now. :-)
 
user55340
@GlenH7 Got it in last night.
 
user55340
 
user41796
2:09 PM
=> "already done"
 
2:29 PM
My new advice to people: If you're concerned about failing an audit, you're doing your job wrong.
 
user55340
@ThomasOwens /review audit? or 9001 type audit?
 
@MichaelT A work audit. CMMI, 9001, customer-driven, internal. Doesn't matter.
 
IRS audit
 
user55340
(just reminded of the 'guest' answer in programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/81427/… )
 
Our internal standards are compliant with all of these. If you are doing your job, you are following the minimum company standards and have no reason to worry. If you're scrambling to put things together to pass an audit, you're doing your job wrong.
 
user41796
2:33 PM
@ThomasOwens There is a fair degree of truth to that.
 
It's to the point where a few project leads are pissing me off because they come running for help to "pass this audit".
 
user41796
In a previous life I had to deal with NERC / FERC operations & cyber security standards. And the penalties for non-compliance could be pretty hefty since they could fine from the date of the infraction to the date of the audit.
 
No. Just do your job and you should inherently pass any audit by anyone ever. If you don't pass an external audit, then chances are we need to look at our internal processes. Either that, or you have special requirements that were not accounted for.
 
user41796
Internal processes were already in place to make sure the right thing was done and the documentation was created to demonstrate that it was done.
 
user41796
I think the biggest issue was with standards that were changing; process not keeping up with the changes; and insufficient education to make sure all involved employees knew their responsibility in that case. Of course, the sheer number of and ambiguity of some of the standards to comply with didn't help matters.
 
3:16 PM
Oh. I still do have a Meta post coming. Just...not yesterday. I was tired yesterday.
 
user41796
I think that would have been more interesting than what I had to deal with last night....
 
user41796
3:29 PM
Getting the unicorn animations was the best 90 unicoins I have ever spent
 
I just want to get all that out of my face...
so I spent some to get it out of my face :)
 
user41796
I was tempted to get the "because unicorns" close reason, but was afraid it would jack up my ability to VTC today.
 
3:40 PM
@GlenH7 So if they wanted to infract all they had to do was make sure and be audited the next day and then they'd have a small fee to pay
 
I think "because unicorns" is my fault.
 
user41796
@JimmyHoffa yeah, didn't quite work that way.... And there could be additional penalties for intentionally violating said standards
 
user41796
@RobertHarvey I'm disappointed that scaling my reputation didn't actually get me into being able to hit the review queues on SO.
 
user41796
Because I think that would have been pretty funny to have 50 reviews on a sub 3k user tomorrow.
 
user41796
oh, and all of the badges I could have gotten.... :-(
 
3:43 PM
@GlenH7 apparently only @RobertHarvey get's the unicorn badge though, so you couldn't have had that one
 
wait wait
I have 75 unicorn points?
What is this?
 
now you notice?
you start with that
 
user41796
@JimmyHoffa unicoIns. And click through.
 
The best part is they're monad unicoins.
 
user41796
3:45 PM
@RobertHarvey - you knew that would get starred...
 
now he's going to spend the rest of the day mining rocks...
 
The SE programmers will probably spend all day fending off the mining scripts.
 
user41796
I think I'm going to open an MSO post and complain about the scaling not working. I'll post a screenshot of my repz and then show the review queues laughing at me.
 
what..the.. fuck ??
 
It does make you wonder what the VC's think about April 1. Maybe SE gets paid in Unicorn dollars on April 1.
 
3:47 PM
@ratchetfreak this is SE, unicorns are just a part of the decorum, I have no reason to pay attention to words near them
 
user41796
18 hours ago, by Robert Harvey
[sigh] Another meta meme is born.
 
@JimmyHoffa You missed the whole "Robert Harvey is closing all teh Unicoins Questionz, He's a unicorn hater" scandal yesterday.
 
@RobertHarvey that was my first thought when I saw this earlier. ha
 
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A: Why are unicoin questions being closed by moderator and not by the community?

Robert HarveyRefer all complaints to Anna Lear at the Stack Exchange Corporate Office. You're welcome.

ಠ_ಠ (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻)Anna Lear ♦ 18 hours ago
 
alright the mining thing.. is SE on a personal mission to reduce the country's GDP?
 
3:51 PM
They're on a personal mission to make life miserable for all the SO mods for one day each year.
I don't know what they're thinking. Clearly they see more value in April 1 than the disruption it causes.
Something to amuse the Redditors. Get them thinking (at least for one day) that the SE community actually has a soul, and are not the cold, heartless bastards that the haters make it out to be.
 
in The 2nd Monitor, 1 hour ago, by amon
@Koveras It is clearly a ploy by Vim users to eliminate Emacs followers: weakened by weird key combos, the Emacsians will succumb to repetitive strain injury by clicking on the rocks.
 
@amon it's true, clicking on the rocks was rather unpleasant. Doesn't change the fact that our editor ensures our victory by sheer resultant product quality though
 
Still looking for the leaderboard. My theory: number of unicoins earned will be in inverse proportion to rep (down to about 1000 rep, because below that, people don't do anything except ask bad questions).
 
> We apologize, but for technical reasons we cannot currently accept payments with reputation from Programmers Stack Exchange.
 
user41796
@RobertHarvey - please don't hate me.
 
user41796
3:56 PM
0
Q: Unable to access review queues

GlenH7I purchased "Reputation to the Max" and increased my reputation by 10x. And like a good SE citizen, I immediately went to the review queues to do my part (for the day). However, the review queues indicate that I don't have enough precious repz in order to perform any of the much needed review...

 
[sigh]
 
user41796
Sorry?
 
user41796
It's at least half-way funny, right?
 
I upvoted. This is seriouz bizness man.
 
user41796
and it's tagged so SE has to address it, not the mods....
 
user55340
3:58 PM
Face it, Glen needs the MSO cred if he's ever to become a mod here.
 
user55340
Can't have Yannis be the only P.SE mod MSO troll.
 
I see you're trying to be funny. Can I help you with that? -- Clippy — Robert Harvey ♦ 13 secs ago
To be fair, though, some of these questions are just fabricated crap that I don't see why we need on Meta. I realize this is April Fool's Day, but seriously, there are still real issues that occur on this day and we don't need pages of our main meta site flooded with useless nonsense about unicoins, drowning out important problems users might be having. — animuson ♦ 18 hours ago
You go, Animuson.
 
user41796
But I'm trying to help here! It's been documented like crazy that the queues need more reviewers....
 
user55340
@RobertHarvey Think?
 
user55340
4:04 PM
@RobertHarvey Excellent idea. Added. — balpha ♦ 9 hours ago
 
user55340
 
user55340
I think thats a "verified"
 
user55340
Now, the trick is to get 3k rep so that I can buy that and then put a whole bunch of "because unicorns" into the close queue on SO so the mods have to clean it up later...
 
I think they should have a Skeet coin. Automatically accepts all answers you've posted to Java and Jodatime questions.
 
user55340
@RobertHarvey I do think it would be a good idea to have it be a "Ok, MSO mods, you can have the day off, the community managers will be handling all issues on MSO today"
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4:12 PM
Last year, I don't think I even opened the browser on April 1.
 
user55340
And think, once MSO and MSE split, you won't have to worry about MSE.
 
user41796
@MichaelT See my MSO post... :-(
 
@MichaelT is that going to happen finally?
 
user55340
@JimmyHoffa 6-8 weeks.
 
woot!
 
user55340
4:17 PM
Btw, Bitcoin.SE is a bit confused.
 
user55340
1
Q: What exchanges trade with Unicoin right now?

Joe PinedaI absolutely LOVED the new Stack-Exchange-specific cryptocoin, "Unicoin", mineable by humans and unicorn-themed. As well as the diverse options to pay for it (gold, silver, BTC, LTC, DOGE, reputation on this site and Reddit, bacon, among others) and the incredibly useful, succint and accurate le...

 
user55340
253
Q: Stack Overflow is getting a place of its own

Tim PostWe've grown considerably as a network since the days of the original trilogy, when the prospect of growing into a network of over 100 thriving Q&A sites was a distant glimmer in a cloudy night sky. Today, Stack Overflow continues to graciously host discussions about the entire network on its extr...

 
user41796
-1 for cutting my rep and keeping me from being able to contribute back to the community. In the future, I would encourage you to think through the ramifications of your actions. As the highest close queue reviewer on Programmers, I thought SO could have used some of my help. — GlenH7 31 secs ago
 
@GlenH7 SO doesn't want your help, they have Unicorns!
 
user41796
Apparently.
 
4:20 PM
Another reason why JDK8 is awesome: Computing the number of seconds between two instances in time does not take a function that's 80 lines (including comments).
 
I just had to slip a little edit into that "Get rid of Unicoins!" post on meta... how i immediately read it was funner than what he actually wrote so I fixed it
@ThomasOwens Did you guys finally get a StopWatch?
 
@JimmyHoffa Not what I need.
 
.NET's had a Stopwatch for ages, but then it relies on the CPU's high frequency timer crap, Java understandably has a harder time relying on such with it's focus on portability
actually, I wonder if that's why java's time stuff is so jacked, different hardware has different levels of timing facilities...
@ThomasOwens oh, that's just a timespan...
date math... I really don't know how Java fucked that up so badly. .NET's DateTime and TimeSpan types have been unchanged since ever, it's not that hard to get those right
 
The GPS Epoch is January 6, 1980 00:00:00. I create an instance of Instant using 1980-01-01T00:00:00:00Z. I then create an instance of Instant using Instant.now(). Then, I use Duration.between().
 
user55340
@JimmyHoffa Bad ideas back in 1.0 that they've been stuck with. Not so much 'bad' but rather 'broken as designed' because the only other example was C or early C++ which were also less than ideal.
 
4:25 PM
It's literally three lines of code. Actually, the initialization of the GPS epoch goes into the constructor. So the delta is 2 lines of code.
Plus, Duration has nanosecond accuracy.
 
@MichaelT fair enough, datetime information didn't have any consistent API in that era, for crying out loud people were still writing 2 digit year reliant code back then..
 
Java's Calendar only has microsecond millisecond accuracy.
 
@ThomasOwens They could definitely do with better naming, Duration is fair, but a vast portion of languages have "Instant" called "DateTime", don't know why they felt they had to shun that...
 
But seriously, it took me 80+ lines of JDK6/7 code to do what JDK8 does in 3 or 4. And I bet the performance is insanely better when I'm trying to produce data roughly every 20 milliseconds.
 
@ThomasOwens DateTime.Now - new DateTime(1, 6, 1980)
 
4:29 PM
@JimmyHoffa .NET overloaded the - operator? I don't think Java can do that.
 
@ThomasOwens Yeah, DateTime class overrides all the math operations so DateTime <operator> DateTime returns a TimeSpan, and DateTime <operator> TimeSpan returns a DateTime
so you could also do DateTime.Now - TimeSpan.FromDays(1) and get a DateTime with the value for yesterday
 
user55340
I'm still of the "overloaded operators are a mistake" philosophy after seeing some awful C++ code. People do whats neat and I don't trust the lack of discipline with operators.
 
@MichaelT @ThomasOwens Wait - surely Java can override operators for custom classes, no?
 
user55340
@JimmyHoffa Nope. Not at all.
 
user55340
163
Q: Why doesn't Java offer operator overloading?

rengolinComing from C++ to Java, the obvious unanswered question is why didn't Java include operator overloading? Isn't Complex a, b, c; a = b + c; much simpler than Complex a, b, c; a=b.add(c);? Is there a known reason for this, valid arguments for not allowing operator overloading? Is the reason arbi...

 
4:32 PM
Thing is, in .NET practically no one ever does it other than for equality checks to overload the conditional equals
 
But it's seriously this:
Instant gpsEpoch = Instant.parse("1980-01-06T00:00:00:00Z");
Instant now = Instant.now();
Duration dur = Duration.between(gpsEpoch, now);
int seconds = dur.getSeconds();
int nanos = dur.getNanos();
A simple division to convert nanos to a decimal, add it to seconds, return double. Done.
 
@MichaelT There's no way you can say that datetime/timespan operator overloading I refer to isn't extremely obvious and intuitive. I understand how operator overloading can be bad, but that's why basically no one does it in C# - also it's purposefully made hard to do.
For the most part people just rely on the built-in overloads of operators
 
user55340
@JimmyHoffa The thing is, its still neat and people do it.
 
@MichaelT maybe very green people, but then Java and C# both have goto, nobody uses that - not really
it's the same sort of thing as having goto in the language
 
user55340
4:35 PM
@JimmyHoffa Java goto is reserved, but not part of the language.
 
people know better
oh
 
Yep. No goto in Java.
70
Q: Is there a goto statement in Java?

VenkatI'm confused about this. Most of us have been told that there is isn't any goto statement in Java. But I found that it is one of the keywords in Java. Where can it be used? If it can not be used, then why was it included in Java as a keyword?

 
user55340
It was an idea in a version of oak, but never got beyond the idea.
 
well it's in C#, and nobody writes goto's, ever. Same as operator overloading, people only ever overload the conditional equality and that's it.
 
user55340
@JimmyHoffa Actually, goto is possible to use as a multi level break in C#... which I have seen (in MS documentation!)
 
4:36 PM
@MichaelT I think you're afraid of something that people did in the early 90s that was terrible, the whole industry knows how terrible that was and nobody does it anymore because of that, same with goto
@MichaelT what it can be used for is irrelevant, it's not used in C# by anyone ever that I've seen
 
user55340
I'm not a goto hater - with proper constraints on the code it can be quite elegant and clear.
 
@MichaelT you'll accept goto before operator overloading? pfft :P
 
user55340
(you can't goto deeper, back, or out of scope = safe goto)
 
@MichaelT oh you're just talking about hand spinning loops
 
If you're doing multi-level breaks, there are probably better ways.
 
user55340
4:37 PM
goto only affects my code within the method. I can look within +/- 10 lines and understand it. Operator overloading is something that comes from outside of that block.
 
user55340
@RobertHarvey In C#, thats a debatable statement.
 
@MichaelT goto can be just as abused as operator overloading
"multi-level breaks" ?
 
Where you have a goto within a break statement.
 
@RobertHarvey ?
 
user55340
In C#, you can't break to a label.
 
4:39 PM
break;
^-- where in that statement does a goto fit?
 
user55340
search:
    for (i = 0; i < arrayOfInts.length; i++) {
        for (j = 0; j < arrayOfInts[i].length;
             j++) {
            if (arrayOfInts[i][j] == searchfor) {
                foundIt = true;
                break search;
            }
        }
    }
 
user55340
Thats Java code. There the 'break' statement breaks out of the 'search' labeled loop.
 
@MichaelT ...that's not valid I don't think....
oh that's Java
 
user41796
@JimmyHoffa and you can modify the code MichaelT did so you only jump out one or two layers of the n-layered loop
 
4:40 PM
I see. I would dislike multi-level breaks
 
user41796
@JimmyHoffa it's valid in C# too
 
@MichaelT That looks more like a multi-level continue than a break.
 
user55340
@JimmyHoffa It has its use... and in C# the way to do that is a goto.
 
@RobertHarvey yeah this is how I would like to see the code, feels more explicit
 
user55340
30
Q: How to Break out of multiple loops at once in C#?

RosarchWhat if I have nested loops, and I want to break out of all of them at once? while (true) { // ... while (shouldCont) { // ... while (shouldGo) { // ... if (timeToStop) { break; // break out of everything? } } ...

 
4:41 PM
@GlenH7 no, in C# you can only break; no break <label>;
 
Hmmm. What am I doing March 27-29, 2015?
 
(I think...)
 
user55340
 
@MichaelT PFLEH.
I dislike that.
 
user55340
int i, j, k;

for (i = 0; i < 100; i++) {
    for (j = 0; j < 100; j++) {
        for (k = 0; k < 100; k++) {
            if (k == 50) {
                goto END;
            }
        }
    }
}
END:
 
4:41 PM
I would return or use continue/break etc
 
user55340
That's valid C#.
 
@MichaelT yes and I detest it.
 
user55340
I don't mind that code any more than the break label - they're the same really.
 
@MichaelT yes, and I dislike both
 
So you avoid the "keep looping" flag by using the goto. I think that's maybe the single and only reason I would ever use a goto in C#.
 
user55340
4:42 PM
With proper constraint, goto isn't a bad thing.
 
I would rely on return to break all layers to my function, or break; in each loop as it's valid
 
user55340
goto is the same as multiple return statements, try/catch, multi level break - just they don't use the four letter keyword goto that people are scared of... and have constraints on them that prevent abuse.
 
@MichaelT either way - that DateTime/TimeSpan's operator overloading results in spectacularly nice to work with time related code, whether or not you like operator overloading
operator overloading may be abused, goto may be abused, both of them get the same amount of use and likely the same amount of abuse (nil that I've seen in my years..)
there's plenty of ways to shoot yourself in the foot, but I think for the intuitive high quality APIs like the DateTime/TimeSpan ones, it's worth the risk that developers will wreck themselves before they check themselves
 
user55340
For me, its a 'if I shoot myself in the foot within +/- 10 lines, I'm the one that did it'. If the shot in the foot comes from someone changing how an operator that I expect to work some way comes from a library that I included... I'm not ok with that. But thats me.
 
@ThomasOwens Regarding Java 8 Date API: I always just used JodaTime.
 
4:48 PM
@maple_shaft The JDK8 API practically is JodaTime.
 
I am actually not sure where JodaTime is going to go as a project once Java 8 gets major adoption
They might as well just close the doors
 
Part of the problem is getting open source software approved for distribution.
@maple_shaft Couldn't that be considered "mission accomplished" for any open source project?
Being so good, so useful that you become a standard library?
 
@ThomasOwens you sound like you are working for the government :)
@ThomasOwens Here is what you do... fill out Form 84-B Section 5 Paragraph 3 requisition for approval to use an open source framework.
Then under documentation of engineer review just simply say, "Jon Skeet". It will get immediately approved
 
Actually, if Jon Skeet wrote it, it becomes harder to use.
Although it's easy if we have source, can run a security audit, and built internally.
 
JodaTime was the brain child of Jon Skeet correct?
 
4:52 PM
It's actually getting easier. Legal is pre-approving some licenses now.
@maple_shaft No. He wrote NodaTime, the .NET implementation of JodaTIme.
 
Oh
my bad
Project lead and Senior Dev
unbounded list of contributors, none of which are Jon Skeet
 
user41796
@maple_shaft Odd that they would snub him like that.
 
user41796
</snark>
 
user41796
stupid lack of nuance from text...
 
-6
Q: best way to connect more that 3 monitors

AirWolfHey there so i was thinking of a way to get more that 2 monitors on my system as i work more i see the need for monitor space more found this while was searching the net but the problem is that additional adapters USB3->VGA cost more than the jug itself so I'm asking you to share your experience...

^^^ delete votes please
it's not even April 1st joke
 
user41796
4:57 PM
@gnat needs 1 more
 
@GlenH7 bleh-flagged it

Bleh! Leave this for Robert to deal with.

Nov 21 '13 at 20:08, 3 minutes total – 6 messages, 3 users, 1 star

Bookmarked Nov 23 '13 at 23:58 by MichaelT

 
user41796
@gnat Ironic since he cast the 3rd delete vote.
 
@GlenH7 also, a nice round up: Robert was the first to cast close vote :)
 
user55340
I know... I need to go flag things on SO as "Because Unicorns - let Robert fix it"
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user41796
@MichaelT Then Robert & Animuson can race to suspend you first.
 
user41796
5:04 PM
And then we can take bets on whether they ban you on just SO / MSO or across all of SE.
 
@GlenH7 I offer 50 unicorns they do across all of SE
any takers?
 
user55340
@enderland did you see? I got the repz on TW!
 
user55340
MichaelT, Eau Claire, WI
187 1 12
 
user55340
(so many badges for so few answers...)
 
SE has ads, right? I just don't see them because of my level of participation?
 
user55340
5:19 PM
Yep.
 
Any way to get them back?
 
wow 200 rep, they get rid of the ads fast...
 
user55340
Yes, but most people aren't 200 rep.
 
user55340
They're the people who hit from google and don't ever do a question or answer.
 
user55340
5:21 PM
And thats who they want to sell adds to.
 
@MichaelT true enough
 
user55340
Note that there are still the sidebar ads.
 
no there aren't
 
user55340
 
user55340
The gray bits.
 
5:22 PM
But those are removed
Oh wait, are there no advertisers affiliated with P.SE?
 
user55340
Just the community ads that show up.
 
DELETE FROM POSTS WHERE TAG=UNICOINRobert Harvey ♦ 16 secs ago
 
that seems a bit ridiculous, I would have just assumed they used the same advertisers listing as SO for P.SE
SO I see ads, though I don' know if that's a rep thing (only 3300 vs the 10k here) or we just don't have advertisers on P.SE
@RobertHarvey do you see sidebar ads on SO?
 
user55340
Note that April 1 might have messed things up too.
 
Yeah. I didn't buy the UniCoin Ad Suppressor.
 
5:24 PM
@RobertHarvey I mean normally, not talking about unicoins
 
I can see them.
 
I was just thinking about SE ads; I never see any and I should like to click them and contribute occasionally
Must just be P.SE doesn't have any affiliated advertisers. That doesn't make any sense...
 
user55340
I see them on SO sometimes... though they do have things like "only show this add to people with 5k+ rep" as part of the campaign.
 
user55340
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Q: Why do some SO adverts seem to pass rep as an url parameter?

Tom WrightI noticed that some adverts (seemingly those on question pages) pass along a parameter indicating that I have a rep of greater than 1500. My questions are twofold: Is this a simple boolean, or are there other rep brackets? Are any advertisers using this? Perhaps for special offers etc? I'm o...

 
user55340
(I don't think its that SO is passing the rep, but rather the campaign was named with the rep requirement)
 
5:28 PM
@MichaelT right, makes sense
I'm kind of annoyed at the recent Chrome update that appears to have removed that little address bar on the bottom that shows where links go when you mouse over them
 
I must not have that Chrome update yet. The IT department keeps a pretty tight reign over updates.
 
Chrome used to be far and away the best browser. Then the other browsers stepped up their game. Then all the websites decided that a few extra tons of additional bloat was OK, and now we're all back in the same boat.
 
@RobertHarvey ? I still find Chrome to be the best to develop for; they seem to have taken a hint from MS on this one, win the devs and you'll win the users. Performance wise I find it snappier than FireFox but I don't disagree FireFox is no slouch anymore. Other than those 2 though, none of the other browsers even count.
 
I'm still waiting for Chrome to give me Google Now cards. :(
 
5:36 PM
IE is still a wastoid browser just because it lacks the current standards compliance you get with Chrome, and as such devs still focus on Chrome therefore many sites work better with Chrome
 
user55340
How are you using the word "unit" here? In the context of "unit testing," a "unit" is a single bit of functionality, usually a method or function. The answer to the question in your title is "one method at a time." — Robert Harvey 2 mins ago
 
user55340
People keep abusing the word 'unit'
 
> Who's been a bad unit?? Unit, if you do that one more time I am going to tear a strip in your ass a mile wide!
 
user55340
Former employer they had "manual unit testing" where QA went in and did a test of one type of transaction (order 1021101 (8' 2x4), pay with credit card, make sure all items on receipt are correct)... kept telling them "thats not a unit test"
 
@MichaelT haha..ha...hahaha...
 
user41796
5:42 PM
@MichaelT sure it is. they bought one unit, right?
 
9
A: C# - Unit test, Mock?

Jimmy HoffaYou need to learn to write unit tests on your own. Start off on the right foot with good comprehension of terminology that many people make mistakes regarding: Unit test: Testing a single unit of code, very small atomic test. Integration test: Testing multiple units of code integrated together,...

 
user55340
@GlenH7 Its one 'unit of functionality - you know, buy with one tender, and verify receipt printed correct' (bash head on desk)
 
user41796
well, duh.
 
Wrote that answer ages ago... Terminology has to be one of the single biggest problems in our industry. Communication is such a mess because the shit get's so mottled between ad-hoc and the industry-wide telephone game we play about most things
 
user55340
Sometimes I wonder where that QA goal to have JUnit tests be reported back into the manual testing framework as 'run tests' ever went.
 
5:45 PM
@GlenH7 hey real engineer, does the SWEBOK have any formalized lexicon it wants to stuff into the industry? It should. Would go a long way, seems like the kind of thing real engineers would make. (lord knows they don't actually write code or anything, a dictionary seems like the least we could ask for from them... ;P)
 
user41796
@JimmyHoffa to a degree, yes
 
user55340
(QA was getting dinged on the 'you're not doing enough testing' and so had the idea to have our JUnit tests be added to the reports on the amount of testing done to make their numbers look better... oh, and we still hadn't gotten the application fixed so that we could run JUnit tests on key parts because it was broken from the vendor)
 
@GlenH7 How out of step is it with the industry?
 
user41796
IEEE tried to create a canon, but abandoned that approach. Part of the issue (from what I understand) is the terms were locked up in a pay-for-access standard.
 
@MichaelT haha yeah, I love it when QA teams get to take credit for pushing a "Run tests" button when the devs wrote all the fucking tests
 
user41796
5:46 PM
@JimmyHoffa Honestly, the examples I have seen in the IEEE realm are the best and more clear. It's more an issue with common vernacular being wrong in how it is using the term.
 
@GlenH7 That's a shit idea and a long ways off from what such institutions tend to claim as their mission statement. Kind of a shit eating thing to do, to be certain.
 
user55340
@JimmyHoffa They're still sad that I left - I was working on an abstract receipt printer so that it could print receipts to a pdf instead of a receipt printer... or generate a pdf from the receipt log...
 
@GlenH7 I should think the hardest part about such would be maintaining it. Our lexicon grows so fast
 
user41796
I don't think that they really understood just how big the overall community was, and their failings in that approach were due to remaining set in their ways
 
user55340
Anyways, to do the tests properly for the returns project they needed about 200 receipts printed/day...
 
user41796
5:48 PM
@JimmyHoffa And I think that was the argument for having a pay-for-access standard. Revenue to be used to fund future maintenance.
 
user55340
so they'd run the test generate all 200 receipts (one long receipt with 90% cuts between the receptits) and tape them to the printouts of the test that needs to be run... by hand.
 
user55340
I had started work on a "run it, forget about the printer, get the pdf, and print that out for each person" with the tests matching the barcodes for the receipts and the barcodes for the items on the receipt as if they scanned the UPC from an actual product.
 
user55340
The expected savings of time was ~2h/day for each day in testing... which ended up to be about a few weeks of testing (I mean that they were going to save ~120 hours on the timeline from that)
 
@GlenH7 crowd-sourcing is the only possible way for such. Pay-for-access simply cannot work for standardization in the free-for-all that is software; hardware is one thing but that's a different can of worms and probably why the IEEE went pay-for-access; they've done similar things for hardware standards in the past if I'm not mistaken
 
user41796
@JimmyHoffa And to my knowledge, they've given up on the project
 
5:51 PM
A bit ignorant to be sure for them to think they could do a pay-for-access standardization for software...
frustrating, rather. Would be nice if we could just have some enormous document that detailed what a unit test was, an integration test, a build verification test, a repository, a DTO/POCO/POJO, all of these things so we could point people to that document when they were misappropriating terms as people constantly do in this industry. The communication failures caused by all of that is surely costing the industry as a whole untold millions
 
user41796
@JimmyHoffa They do provide some definitions of the various levels of test with SWEBOK
 
user41796
I think it's chapter 5 or something, the chapter title is clearly related to testing.
 
user55340
6:08 PM
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Q: Show 3 significant figures for rep over a million

Jon SkeetWith "reputation to the max" I now have 6,621,210 reputation. Unfortunately, this only shows as 6.6m: Other reputation levels are shown with three or more significant digits - e.g. 508k as Darin's rep shows above, or xx.xk for values in the [10k, 100k), or the exact value for under 10k. Why t...

 
user55340
 
6:29 PM
14 of 16 questions on Meta's unanswered page are about Unicoin.
 
user41796
I'll select an answer on mine if that makes things less ugly. I had planned on closing it after the day ended anyway.
 
user55340
@GlenH7 Need to get the 'because unicorns' close vote reason on there and do a vtc on yourself?
 
user55340
@GlenH7 there's a custom close on it if you want to join in on that.
 
user55340
Because unicorns. 🎠🎠🎠🎠🎠🎠 — MichaelT 1 min ago
 
user41796
@MichaelT I'd accept that as an answer if you converted it to one.
 
user55340
6:41 PM
Nah, the cut everyone's rep is the right answer.
 
user41796
I am enjoying the unicorn animations while I vote today
 
user55340
3
A: Cannot scale reputation by π

ServySee the red banner. (emphasis mine) The value must be a positive integer between 1 and 10 It doesn't however specify that the number be real, so I would fully expect complex numbers to be supported. This should allow you to make your Imaginary Internet Points actually have an imaginary nu...

 
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