V'dibarta Bam - 2014-02-11

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3:03 AM

I don't get this site. angelfire.com/md3/baruchgershom/ynotj.html

It seems that Judaism, Islam, and Christianity all have aspirations of the future.

Christianity ==> convert everyone.

Islam ==> convert everyone.

Judaism ==> "In the Messianic age the entire world will believe in G-d." I don't know what or how to make of that, but that's what it says on the website.

I don't know, but I am beginning to see parallels between Christianity and Judaism. Hmmm...

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4:11 AM

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Q: Purim Mi Yodeya call for submissions: part 1 (megillah)

This question will collect questions, formatted for the book, for questions about the megillah. Each answer here should cover one question and its answer(s), following this template. There is no need to cover all answers in your work; choose the subset of content that you think works best for...

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Q: Purim Mi Yodeya call for submissions: part 2 (mitzvot and customs)

This question will collect questions, formatted for the book, for questions about Purim mitzvot and customs. Each answer here should cover one question and its answer(s), following this template. There is no need to cover all answers in your work; choose the subset of content that you think wor...

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Q: Purim Mi Yodeya call for submissions: part 3 (Purim Torah)

This question will collect questions, formatted for the book, for Purim Torah questions. Each answer here should cover one question and its answer(s), following this template. There is no need to cover all answers in your work; choose the subset of content that you think works best for this pr...

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4:30 AM

Looks like Meta-Man beat me to the punch. :-) As you can see, I've added a call for submissions for the Purim book, in three parts to make things a little easier to manage. I've updated the main post with a template for editing and further instructions:

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Q: "Purim - Mi Yodeya?" book: next steps

A few months ago we discussed ideas for a Purim publication and followed that up with more discussion in a dedicated chat room (which anybody is welcome to join). There were two main proposals: a book like last year's haggadah, and a smaller publication, perhaps printed on large paper and folded...

discussion featured mi-yodeya-purim

I set a target of February 26 (a bit more than two weeks) for draft material so we have time to assemble it into a document, proofread, tweak formatting, etc and still get it out well in advance of Purim. A couple folks offered to help edit already and maybe others are considering it, so either way, please take a look and let me know if anything's unclear or otherwise a problem. Thanks!

@msh210 @IsaacMoses @YEZ (since you've added links to the question list) ^^^

4:47 AM

@MonicaCellio Are there links between the three Meta questions? I didn't see one on first read.

@msh210 oh, no I didn't do that (feel free to add). The three call-for-submission questions are linked from the main ("next steps") question, and all three also link to the markdown template and the question list, but I didn't cross-link.

And thanks for catching my thrice-made typo.

in Purim Book Discussion and Brainstorming, 1 min ago, by msh210

Some of the p-t-i-j posts make allusions by linking, which won't work well on paper. E.g., this Q links to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Hurwitz to explain the word rabba. Without that link, the question is hard to understand; but explaining it more explicitly kinda kills the joke IMO. (Maybe there's a way to do it well, but care would need to be taken.) Likewise in this answer and this answer to that Q.

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6:06 AM

LazerA is about to undergo major surgery and would appreciate prayers on his behalf.

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1:11 PM

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Q: Delete posts --- how can we appeal?

My answers to a post were deleted as "not answering the question." I admit they didn't answer the direct halachic question (I'm not qualified!) specifically, but did provide an answer/solution. It was deleted. I don't really agree with the reasoning, but don't know how to discuss the issue. Sugge...

1:59 PM

@IsaacMoses thanks for letting us know.

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3:12 PM

@MonicaCellio Least I could do.

@MonicaCellio Thanks for once again moving things forward.

3:51 PM

@IsaacMoses I hope that my arbitrary, imposed-by-fiat target date aligns with your willingness to do the compilation. If you need it to be earlier, please let me know! I'm being kind of fuzzy about dates in general here, but figured we needed to give the community a couple weeks to do this editing. (We did the haggadah in about 10 days but that involved a lot of concentrated effort.)

4:07 PM

@MonicaCellio I'm sure it'll be fine. The first draft took me about four hours in one sitting last time, IIRC. I expect that I'll be able to do that within a few days of editing being done, and then we'll have some time for proofreading, then promotion. What are we thinking for a release date? March 9?

@IsaacMoses that's about what I was thinking for release, yes -- aim for getting it out a week before Purim. I want to allow more time for proofreading (and responding to things the proofreaders find) than we did last time; I have the impression that you were doing some late-night editing last year to get it done because of the short timeline.

And if we do end up with some extra time and have a couple stragglers come in, we can probably bring them in after you've started -- if it's not so late as to interfere with the final proofing.

@MonicaCellio Lady, if I'm doing something like this, it's late-night. :)

@IsaacMoses and you saw the timestamps on my call-for-submission posts. :-) (Ok, before midnight, but it was a work night...)

4:28 PM

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A: "Purim - Mi Yodeya?" book: next steps

Rough timeline for the rest of the project, from edited submissions on: Due Wednesday, February 26: Submit edited content - Community Due Sunday, March 2: Produce first draft of publishable book in MS Word - Isaac Due Tuesday, March 4: Proofread first draft and produce list of errata - ??? and ...

^^^ Wanted to get something down "on paper" for the rest of the dates, so we can have a common understanding and perhaps line up proofreaders and other helpers ahead of time. @MonicaCellio or anyone else, please revise as you see fit with no deference due to whatever I originally put down

4:42 PM

@IsaacMoses sounds good to me. I'm happy to proofread with the caution that I might not catch errors in Hebrew passages. We should have a second proofreader, at least. (There are actually two proofreading passes, supporting three proofreaders easily if we have three.)

@MonicaCellio Trig did a bang-up job last year (with even less facility for Hebrew), and I suspect could be willing to do so again this year, provided that he has warning and enough time. My mother, who has worked as a professional proofreader in the past and has strong Hebrew skills, did limited last-minute proofreading last year, and I bet I could get a full run-through from her this year, also provided warning and enough time. ...

... I agree that we should try to line up at least three official proofreaders, so both passes include at least one new pair of eyes, and also, of course, leave it open to anyone in the community to suggest fixes at will.

5:21 PM

@IsaacMoses we've gotten comments from a couple of people volunteering to help. I need to follow up with them to see what type of help they feel able to offer.

@IsaacMoses I remember you speaking highly of TRiG's work last year. I hope he'll help again this year. I didn't know you'd recruited your mother -- cool!

5:44 PM

@MonicaCellio I don't think I recruited her. I told her about the project, and her maternal/proofreader instincts kicked in. :) I think her actual contributions ended up coming after we'd put out our final draft. I do believe I could indeed recruit her for fuller, more timely help this year.

@IsaacMoses a volunteer -- even better! :-)

Hi @NathanWheeler - welcome to V'dibarta Bam! (Or, as we tend to call it, Bam.)

@MonicaCellio (More precisely, I think I told her after we'd released the thing to the public, and she couldn't help proofreading it anyway. I have a history of producing documents that could use some extra proofreading: Her father is a retired career proofreader, including a stint at the NYTimes. When I showed him my already-submitted Master's thesis, it took him a second or two to notice and point out that I had embarrassingly misspelled the name of my department on the cover page.)

@IsaacMoses oops. :-) A classmaate of mine has a diploma from the "Department of Mathemtaics", so even institutions goof on things like that. (They later gave him a correct one.)

Forever preserved Yes, Google, I meant "Enviro**nm**ental" 8^(

6:03 PM

@IsaacMoses Google has made it nearly impossible for us to quietly make past errors and the follies of youth go away. :-( (Them and the Wayback Machine.)

@MonicaCellio If that's the worst indiscretion from my college years preserved forever in the ether (and I think it probably is, B"H, thanks to being a nerdy kid and to getting out of college before FB was big), I think I'm ahead of the game. 8^)

There are also some extant letters to the editor in my name out there from that period, some of which I'm happier about than others.

@IsaacMoses if that's your biggest problem then you have indeed been fortunate. I think of all the, err, problematic stuff I saw people post on Usenet back when we all thought it was highly ephemeral, and then I look at Google Groups, and... ouch. I've said some stupid things online for sure but, B"H, nothing that will actually harm me. (Well, one exception, which we've discussed.) And no FB, which helps.

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7:22 PM

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Q: Purim Mi Yodeya call for submissions: intro, glossary, and other adjuncts

In addition to the core content, our book needs the following materials: an introduction a short introduction to the Purim Torah chapter (possibly the other chapters too, but definitely that one) optional, desired: a glossary optional, desired: a bibliography The glossary and bibliography are...

discussion mi-yodeya-purim

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Q: Purim Mi Yodeya call for submissions: part 0 (Introduction)

Please write an introduction, formatted for the book. Each answer here should be a proposed introduction, following this template. Follow these style guidelines. Please take inspiration from the categories and questions on this list. Feel free to borrow content from the Hagada's introduction....

discussion mi-yodeya-purim

7:33 PM

@IsaacMoses she couldn't help proofreading it anyway. Yup. I know that feeling.

Mar 20 '13 at 16:01, by TRiG

@IsaacMoses Proofreading isn't so much a service I provide as a form of compulsion. I can't help it.

@MonicaCellio And yes, I'd be happy to cast an eye over it.

Sep 23 '13 at 22:39, by TRiG

@MonicaCellio Fair warning: I will not be proofreading at midnight.

@TRiG thank you thank you thank you. I was hoping you'd come by. :-) Please see the schedule post and, if a particular slot works best for you, comment or edit yourself in or something.

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A: "Purim - Mi Yodeya?" book: next steps

Rough timeline for the rest of the project, from edited submissions on: Due Wednesday, February 26: Submit edited content - Community Due Wednesday, February 26: Write introduction and possibly chapter intros (especially for Purim Torah) - ??? Due Wednesday, February 26: Produce back matter (gl...

So, all the proofreading stuff is happening at the beginning of March? That should be fine.

@TRiG yup, first week of March, with some short turn-arounds but, with luck, knowing when they'll be in advance helps.

@TRiG There's a desire on the table to get content submission done sooner and therefore get started on proofreading sooner, if possible.

And we'd like to be able to start earlier if we can.

7:47 PM

@TRiG Right now, the first proofreading cycle has a 48-hour turnaround, and the second one has 24 hours. If we take less time to generate content, we can probably expand those windows.

... I think your talents will be more helpful in the first cycle, finding major errors, than in the second, when what's left will hopefully be mostly more related to the subject matter

@IsaacMoses Well, I'll have time any time after the 20th of February. (Competition in Tullamore Toastmasters: I'm giving a speech on Mary Anning, which I've not prepared yet.)

I also have to organise the competition. Haven't got a Contest Chair yet. And I only have three judges; would prefer four. And another ballot counter ..... ARRGH.

@MonicaCellio I've hung around in here before :) I've been too busy to hang out in chat rooms much the last few months

but HI!

Are ye doing the Haggadah again this year, or just the Purim thingy?

@TRiG last year's haggadah will remain available (and we'll remind people of that), but we're not planning a new revision this year.

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9:19 PM

@MonicaCellio @TRiG ... which reminds me: the Purim book should definitely contain a prominent mention of the Hagada ("All done with Purim? Time to get ready for Passover!"), perhaps on the back cover.

9:49 PM

@IsaacMoses definitely.

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