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9:00 PM
@tylerl calling it community management might exclude the moderators. Both is nice, but the site was primarily targeted to mods
 
@FEichinger In my opinion, the tone of the proposal as it stands is geared to drive away those who make the policy in the corporate world, and those are the folks who would get the most value (and potentially contribute the most) to a site like this.
 
They're both relevant and very much intertwined, and often times a fringe case appears that challenges the policy itself - "How could we best handle this, and what changes to the policy might be relevant for the future?"
This, depending on the staff structure, could be asked by any member of the team.
I don't think the name "Moderators" truly excludes Community Management. A double name might be in order, but the scope of the site allows for a wide variety of not-purely-"executive", if you will, questions.
 
9:19 PM
When I hear "moderator", I still think of those moderated mailing lists, where the moderator had to approve your email to the list, or put a lock on you if you abuse the list. So in that sense (and this is probably a very common one, even not just mailing lists - forums, etc) a "moderator" is kind of like a guard, or policeman - very little to do with community.
Actually, I think the best hope this site has is to cover both those aspects, and more - shift the focus off the activities, and on to the purpose: Community Building.
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Community.SE.
 
^ This.
 
my question though, should it be limited to "digital communities" as in the proposal? Sure, there are some specific challenges and opportunities there, but there are also IRL communities who use the same digital solutions.
 
Bah. I see a wall of stuff that looks like on-topic chat. Must break it.
 
I'm actually going to post it there, since @Xander agrees with me....
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A: Why was the name Moderators chosen instead of Community Managers?

AviDWhen I hear "moderator", I still think of those moderated mailing lists, where the moderator had to approve your email to the list, or put a lock on you if you abuse the list. So in that sense (and this is probably a very common one, even not just mailing lists - forums, etc) a "moderator" is kin...

feel free to add your opinion or clarification, its practically verbatim.
 
@AviD Upboated.
 
9:28 PM
umm, no it wasnt?
 
@AviD Ha...Yes, it was. Somebody disagrees with me, apparently.
 
@AviD +1/-1
 
ah, hehe
discussions on a51 dont affect rep there?
 
@AviD discussions is the meta of area51, so no rep
 
not that I care at all, just curious why I didnt see the little green box.
 
9:31 PM
in Charcoal HQ, 47 secs ago, by ManishEarth
[ SmokeDetector ] I like Undo's charm -- he's really one of the nicest people I've met /
 
ahh, right, of course. been a while since I've hung out there.
 
^ copy paste into nano or something command-line based. Not into the actual command line. DO NOT paste into the command line
Have fun
 
doesnt do anything in Powershell.
 
@ManishEarth Sneaky!
 
@AviD linux
 
9:33 PM
ouch
what's the bug?
 
@ManishEarth oh, well
 
@Gilles I filled it with ^Hs. That can be done using \b in JavaScript or ^V^H in command line. Currently got a commandline chat API, used that
 
ahhh. unprintable chars.
bastard.
 
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@ManishEarth I see. So browser bug for not rendering these characters.
 
9:35 PM
@Gilles yeah
not really a bug, they are "unprintable"
 
ah, yes, of course, I hadn't looked at my clipboard's content
silly me
 
@AviD No, you can't have a god complex if you're acutally omnipotent.
 
@tylerl omnipotent != god.
at least in the classics monotheistic theology, there is also omnipresent and omniscient.
Omni is a cool word.
Omni, omni, omni.
 
@AviD in classic polytheistic theology you have to be somewhat naive and a bit overbearing
 
9:42 PM
yeah, in polytheism omnianything is not a requirement.
 
@AviD Strictly speaking, if you are omnipotent should you not be capable of granting yourself omnipresence and omniscience?
 
@Iszi Can God create a stone He cannot lift?
besides, omnipotence usually excludes self potence.
 
@AviD So long as he is omnipotent, yes. However, once it is done he ceases to (technically) be omnipotent.
 
And I am bothered by the repeated use of the word "omnipotent".
 
Here's a thought: What would it be like for something to be omiimpotent?
 
9:45 PM
@Iszi actually, its a false strawman. The question itself makes no sense.
 
@AviD How so?
 
whats the opposite of a tautology?
its a problem of definitions - can he create A, such that it is not A?
 
@AviD contradiction
 
@Iszi it assumes such a stone can exist
 
just because you can put words together in a syntactically valid format, does not mean they have any meaning.
@Gilles yeah, that.
no fancy word for it, then?
 
9:48 PM
@tylerl No, it assumes such a stone can be created. And, under the presumption that God is truly omnipotent, it can.
 
no, its not a contradiction - that implies two clauses. A tautology is only one.
 
@AviD What, contradiction not good enough for you? You think you're special or something?
 
@Iszi no, it presumes that such a concept has meaning. It does not.
 
@AviD Ask @ThomasPornin. I'm sure French has one.
 
@Iszi depending on your definitation of omnipotent. If I can do anything, then can I do something that I can't do?
clearly... wtf
 
9:49 PM
"The opposite of a tautology is a contradiction, a formula which is "always false". In other words, a contradiction is false for every assignment of truth values to its simple components."
 
@Iszi Can black be white?
 
The Internets said so, so it must be true.
 
@Xander bah. it loses the flavor.
perhaps "self-contradiction" might be the closest.
 
@tylerl No. If you are omnipotent, there is nothing you cannot do. However, you are capable of creating something you cannot do. Once that thing is created though, you cease to be omnipotent.
 
Aaaand I really should not be getting all philosophical on an empty stomach.
 
9:50 PM
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ManishearthGiven that people share code on the main site and chat, it might be a good idea to either block or explicitly render control-characters and the like. For example, if you copy the following code block into the nano editor (please DO NOT copy paste directly to the prompt, or if you do, please do n...

 
@Iszi then clearly you failed at your initial task, meaning you never were.
so nope, not buying it
 
@tylerl I don't follow.
 
@Iszi Omnipotence means you have complete power over everything in reality. Obviously you are asking for something outside of reality. Which cannot exist, because then it would be IN reality.
 
Do you guys think that it's the burden of the website providers to fix this, or that it's the burden of the user to not be stupid when copying code
 
@ManishEarth the unprintable trick does work on cmd.exe and powershell, I just meant that the command doesnt work.
and, for that matter, consider copying a large block of code into your editor.
 
9:53 PM
@AviD yay, bonus
now to make a command that works everywhere
@AviD ?
 
@AviD According to Merriam-Webster, omnipotent is synonymous with almighty which is defined as "having complete power". Having complete power at any particular point in time does not preclude the possibility that you may cease to have complete power.
 
@ManishEarth I just hacked your source code.
 
@AviD which?
 
@Iszi that's not the issue. The problem is with the concept that you are requesting: Something that is both in reality, and not in reality.
Contradictions cannot exist.
 
@AviD I don't see how "a rock God cannot move" both exists in reality and outside of it. Currently, it is not a real object - true. However, once God declares it to be existent, it will become a real object. It is not both simultaneously.
 
9:55 PM
@ManishEarth Post an answer on SO with a lot of code, with the unprintables trick. I then copy your entire block of code, into my Visual Studio or whatever. Assume I dont look again at the code that I just pasted, then hit compile. My app is now your arbitrary code.
@Iszi exactly.
 
@AviD Oh like that. Yeah, that would work
Though visual studio probably ignores ^Hs
 
@AviD Then what are we arguing over?
 
@Iszi it cannot be both a rock he cannot move, and exist. Since he is omnipotent.
By definition.
 
@Iszi Perhaps think of it the same way that if you think of infinity as being boundless, infinity + 1 isn't greater than infinity. If your strength is unlimited, an object of any weight cannot exceed your strength.
 
@AviD At this time, it cannot be. However, at such time He creates it it will exist and he will cease to be omnipotent.
 
9:57 PM
Now, are you tryiung to rephrase the question as, can God stop being omnipotent?
@Iszi which means he ceases to be god.
which is the end of reality as we know it.
which means that rock does not exist.
which means he is omnipotent.
 
@AviD Now you're just being absurd.
 
Contradiction./
@Iszi not at all. Those are the base attributes of god.
 
@AviD Until such time as He chooses to change them.
 
@Iszi and cease to be god.
 
@AviD If you cut off my arm, do I cease to be me?
 
9:59 PM
@Iszi no, but if I replace you with @Simon, you cease to be you.
Hell, you'll cease to be a man. ;-)
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@Iszi As far as any fingerprint scanner which used fingerprints from that hand is concerned, yes.
 
@AviD Has anyone verified that Iszi is in fact a man? I thought we've only gotten basic gender.
 
:=P
 
@AviD Ooh! That means...
34 mins ago, by Iszi
user image
:-D
 
heh.
It's like with timelord regeneration: It's still the same person, but a completely different person takes his place.
Okay, it's nothing like that.
When are we getting more Capaldi??
 
10:01 PM
@AviD Okay, now you're starting to sound like a timelord yourself.
 
lol
 
@AviD So why doesn't James Bond regenerate like the Doctor does? he's played by multiple people through time as well.
 
@AviD Not soon enough.
 
it's all wibbly wobbly godly wodly
@tylerl The theory is that it is a codename, reused by several different agents over time.
 
same for batman?
 
10:03 PM
@tylerl And Spider Man I suppose.
 
noooo, The Batman is elemental, everlasting.
 
@AviD #Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike / Author Manishearth
^ awesomesauce
 
He is omnipresent and omniscient, just not omnipotent. He has Supes for that.
 
Let's go and edit all Wikipedia bash scripts and add that! :p
poor newbies be all like "I wanna do hello world and they dun delete my drive!"
 
@ManishEarth this would be more fun if you did something other than delete files.
like a perl one-liner
 
10:09 PM
@tylerl sounds like a programming puzzle to me!
 
10:20 PM
@AviD The answer is trivial: worship.
@AviD God can alter the Universe so that this question makes sense (and then do it), but apparently He has not yet chosen to do so.
 
@TerryChia might get a Google bug bounty after all
 
@ThomasPornin can god make it so he never existed?
 
(Won't say which in public, email me at username@gmail if you want to know. It's not a patch bug, it's a security bug)
 
And then continue to exist?
 
@AviD He can do that, and even make you understand what that means (but whether He will do it or not is another question).
 
10:26 PM
It is nonsensible.
Nonsensical?
 
@Iszi Actually a good reference would be Wittgenstein, hence German, not French. Wittgenstein talks about "Kontradiction", which more-or-less maps to the English "contradiction".
 
Even god cannot make nonsense sensible. Only Dr. Seuss can do that.
 
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hehe, Stan Lee made an appearance in Agents of Shield.
 
When you open with "Please read before downvote." ... Sigh
 
10:34 PM
@Xander If I didnt have an authority diamond, I would have commented: "I've read it. Shall I downvote now?"
 
Sometimes I want to make accounts on other sites just to be able to downvote something. Then I realize the downvote privilege needs more rep than just AssocBonus and then I'm a sad @FEichinger. :(
 
@FEichinger Ha ha..Me too.
 
@Xander You're a sad @FEichinger, too? Boy, there's many of me!
 
@AviD I know right?
@FEichinger It must be a shock, I know. I was going to tell you earlier, but I thought you might be too young.
 
11:10 PM
@AviD @ThomasPornin please comment on this MSO post if you know of any other potentially dangerous control characters
 
11:20 PM
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with three votes to close as primarily opinion-based. Idiots.
I could agree with off-topic
None of the answers are really good
the accepted answer implies that a PRNG cannot be unpredictable
 
11:59 PM
@Gilles I wonder if Lippert has the highest rep per answer of any high rep user on SE?
 

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