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12:00 AM

Ok, sometime I'm going to have to give this zsh thing a try. But for now, its 1900, I need to get home!

12:10 AM

@derobert since you're new to zsh I recommend oh-my-zsh: github.com/robbyrussell/oh-my-zsh IIRC

@terdon also consider adding it to the canonical questions list on meta (which currently has 1 question on it)

12:27 AM

@strugee which list is that?

@terdon I've no idea, I asked about it a couple months back. one sec

also, @slm, ^^^ oh-my-zsh. you'll never go back

12:41 AM

Don't we have a canonical "what is a shell?" question?

@terdon shell, terminal and console...

?

> What is the exact difference between a 'terminal', a 'shell', a 'tty' and a 'console'?

Ah, yes, thanks!

that would work for all

12:47 AM

@terdon ah, this is the one I was thinking of, but it looks like it didn't get turned into a list like I thought. perhaps we should start a list of canonical questions? it can be the canonical canonical question question

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Q: Should we have a canonical "how to create a distro" question?

I see tons of these floating around. Some examples: How to create a custom Debian-based distro? How to create my own Linux distro (say from ubuntu source code)? (note: this one's closed) How can I create my own distro and include a custom kernel & packages? (also closed) And then of course th...

discussion canonical-questions

it would clearly be useful. the number of times someone has said "do we have a canonical * question" in this chatroom...

@strugee yes I've been thinking the same thing. Something like SO's huge FAQ Q

Be on alert, this guy Dew has infiltrated our site: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/13160846#13160846

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debian boot grub2 software-installation swap images system-installation

@strugee meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/7931/…

@terdon yeah. I was thinking more like AU's canonical question list, e.g. one canonical question per answer

He used to go by this name: Utkarsh

12:58 AM

@slm rings a vague bell but who is that?

Familiarize yourself w/ any of his Q's you may have answered, his accts. been suspended for 6 days but giving you a heads up.

Not sure if he's just a guy playing or something else

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Q: What are common canonical questions for our site?

So according to the Gospel of Spolsky 13:4, a core mission of Stack Exchange communities is to stop re-answering the same questions, and instead build a library of canonical answers. When general duplicates (instances of a problem) arise, we close and refer them to one such answer. For example: ...

discussion duplicates canonical-questions

@terdon ^

he apparently setup a fake acct. a day or 2 ago and switched accepted (1 for me) to some bogus A that some other user posted that same day.

@slm you mean unaccepted your answer?

Some of his antics

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A: open corel draw files on debian

Gimp I would see if you can open the .cdr files with Gimp. According to this page Gimp supports editing these files. Gimp should be available in the Debian repos, look for the name gimp. I downloaded this sample image, cup.cdr (uncompressed 18K), from this Corel website. However I wasn't able t...

yeah

1:01 AM

Yeah, I interacted with him on this one

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A: Is there any software for Debian to fix my GRUB

This has nothing to do with Debian, the problem you are experiencing happens long before the operating system is started. What is strange is that it only happens sometimes. One possibility is that you have a failing hard drive. Check the output of sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda You should see a l...

but he seemed genuinely distressed.

pushy, but OK

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A: Make a bootable CD without ISO file but from a CD

Here is a Windows based tool, ISO to USB. Also you could try using UNetbootin to write an ISO file to a USB thumb drive too. UNetbootin runs on all OSes. excerpt from UNetbootin website UNetbootin allows you to create bootable Live USB drives for Ubuntu, Fedora, and other Linux distributions...

I'm just giving a heads up

From one of the AU chat logs

If somebody called Dew starts causing trouble in here later, it's Utkarsh/Windows8/etc. I granted them a rename but I don't want that to be an excuse for more of the nonsense we've seen in here recently.

@slm I seem to recall he was not particularly pleasant but not noxious either

not like our troll from a few months back or anything.

Yeah at this point just a heads up

no not at all, but the voting irregularity is a new data point for them, could be something more broad

@Utkarsh - you can also upvote in addition to accepting. Not sure if you're aware of this or not. — slm Nov 10 '13 at 5:51

You can see the deleted A that was posted

1:05 AM

I know how you feel, for some reason it always bugs me as well when I get accepted and not upvoted.

how can you tell?

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A: Make a bootable CD without ISO file but from a CD

Here is a Windows based tool, ISO to USB. Also you could try using UNetbootin to write an ISO file to a USB thumb drive too. UNetbootin runs on all OSes. excerpt from UNetbootin website UNetbootin allows you to create bootable Live USB drives for Ubuntu, Fedora, and other Linux distributions...

I think he's a kid

community caught that one

i know nothing beyond what I've noticed thus far

Yeah, his profile has him at 13

1:07 AM

@terdon /me winks

yeah but that might be fake

@strugee I was thinking of you actually, but you're 15 and a great asset to the site so who cares?

the thing with the switching of accepts might be something that would be concerning to others, so I just wanted to bring it to others attn. if they see -15's all of a sudden.

@slm I remember that was my initial impression when I first interacted with him, then checked the profile and went "Nah, OK, he's a kid"

@slm dunno, his bio seems like some trying-too-hard-to-be-funny thing I might have said two years ago

I'm buying 13

1:09 AM

like I said, the voting thing would be the most annoying to me if he's setting up Q's w/ accepts to later be annoying by unaccepting them at a later date.

hopefully he'll learn from the suspension to not screw around with accepts

That causes ill-will w/in the site so that's the part that I would be most concerned about, from a community standpoint it causes damage

yeah, I brought it to the mods attn. when I noticed it

someone upvoted one of my A's to him so that's what caught my eye just now

Huh, I just discovered ttyrec from one of Gilles' answers.

There's something really creepy in watching your terminal run things by itself.

Try it out if you've never seen it.

@terdon isn't that some thing that records all the activity?

and then lets you replay it, ala sudoreplay

@strugee yeah, but it was just cool to watch my terminal type itself :)

1:15 AM

heh, yeah

I'm thinking that I could record a session from a VM where I do some horrible damage to the OS and then play it on a fried's terminal as a joke

please do

damn, the prompt changes so you can't do it well unless you have the same prompt

1:30 AM

I was reading @Braiam's link about canonicals. I like the idea of a canonical tag, thoughts?

@slm huh? where?

@slm as in, a [canonical] tag on main?

@Braiam I linked AU's canonical questions list

@strugee I have no comments there...

actually the most common problems needs to be suit tailored

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Q: What are common canonical questions for our site?

So according to the Gospel of Spolsky 13:4, a core mission of Stack Exchange communities is to stop re-answering the same questions, and instead build a library of canonical answers. When general duplicates (instances of a problem) arise, we close and refer them to one such answer. For example: ...

discussion duplicates canonical-questions

@Braiam shrugs. no idea then

1:35 AM

@slm yes, that's exactly what I was thinking of

@slm Ctrl + F. braiam = no results D:

assuming @slm means what I think he means, I'm on board

Something like a tag or even boiler plate text that we put on top of the Q's that are canonical

ah... that's the very definition of meta tag D:

unix.stackexchange.com/questions?sort=faq <-- this is the equivalent, it takes the amount of dupes questions have

ah so sort=faq sorts the list by the dup counts assoc. to a Q?

where the hell is that in the gui?

stupid hidden features

1:39 AM

someone from the Stack Exchange team should ask on ux.SE "how do I feature discoverability"

yeah

most of the features I use aren't in the UI, that sort one I'd never seen before

there's some question on hidden URLs linked in the SO faq

as in, the meta question that has the faq.

@slm You need to click on Questions then you get "Frequent"

Hmm, one of those frequent questions is on how to detect OS:

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Q: How can I get distribution name and version number in a simple shell script?

I'm working on a simple bash script that should be able to run on Ubuntu and CentOS distributions (support for Debian and Fedora/RHEL would be a plus) and I need to know the name and version of the distribution the script is running (in order to trigger specific actions, for instance the creation...

shell ubuntu distros centos

@slm gave the answer to my Q here though:

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A: How can I reliably get the operating system's name?

lsb_release -a is likely going to be your best option for finding this information out, and being able to do so in a consistent way. History of LSB The lsb in that command stands for the project Linux Standards Base which is an umbrella project sponsored by the Linux Foundation to provide gene...

I suggest closing future ones as dupes of this one since it deals with everything, including non-lsb systems.

OS detection... oh god

it's one of those problems that seems easy but actually is just impossible

2:07 AM

@FaheemMitha:

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A: Getting to know you: who are you and why do spend time on unix.sx?

Who am I? I'm a 15-year-old in 10th grade (as of this writing) so I don't have a fascinating job to tell you all about. I've always been super interested in technology and programming. My first language was Visual BASIC, but thankfully, I was never quite motivated enough to make a large program ...

@terdon The url shows sort=faq, so faq == frequent

battle of wits on this Q&A

-1

Q: Copy a file into another directory's inside

I want to copy positionXYZ into another directory's inside I want both of them.I put: Tutorials myname $ cp -r positionXYZ Documents/Gerris\ Programs/Tutorials/tutorial6/ Then it says : cp: directory Documents/Gerris Programs/Tutorials/tutorial6 does not exist Tutorials is the positionXYZ's...

Can't tell who's more clueless

@slm well, yeah FAQ= frequently asked questions, what do you mean?

it never occurred to me that frequent was meant to be FAQ that this was sorted by dups

i thought that was sorted by upvotes only

@slm ah, that's what you meant. I'd never really thought about it before yesterday when I happened to be browsing SO's

@slm and wow, yeah, I've been answering a few. Poor guy's perfectly civil, just completely clueless

so is it sorted by dups, where does that show up in the UI? Does it?

@terdon Yeah I didn't mean any disrespect in that way, but ugh, not feeling like helping that much tonight

2:16 AM

@slm nope. If it does, it's hidden under some stone as usual

@slm heh, it all started here:

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Q: Missing source ~/.bashrc Mac terminal : ~/.profile?

I need to install Gerris on mac 10.9.1. The website http://gfs.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Mac_OSX_Installation says: Note: make sure that the file ~/.profile contains the line source ~/.bashrc for these changes to be taken into account. But there is no source ~/.bashrc as shown below: GNU...

i'm looking for a customization to the tool bar to pull my rep and other things up to the top

We can customize the toolbar?

ah, hang on, which toolbar?

he probably meant a Greasescript or something

stackexchange one

stackapps

I think over 50% of the extensions installed in chrome are SE related, does that mean I have a problem?

cool, haven't seen any that change the toolbar

@slm no, it means you have better extension-fu than I.

gimme!

2:19 AM

there aren't a lot of SE extensions for Firefox. at least not on AMO

sadness

chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/…

All I have is Oliver's two, the one for replying on chat and adding <kbd> tags, some thing that fails to deal with the inbox, some desktop notification and a nice one that lets me see downvote/upvote count on sites I don't have the rep on

I'd been meaning to post this list in meta

@slm Oh, yeah, I have that one too

Damn my keyboard... I need to get a new one

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Q: "View Vote totals" without 1000 rep

Screenshot About The vote counts are a great tool to determine whether an answer is disputed or not. Unfortunately, not many of us have enough time to join all Stack Exchange websites and get 1000 reputation. This script unlocks the "View Vote counts" feature for those who are not logge...

script chrome-extensions greasemonkey bookmarklet

SE Modifications - stackapps.com/questions/2138/…

2:23 AM

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A: How is the question?sort=frequent/faq search sorted? How can I find frequent questions?

They are organized by amount of linked questions. The first and second questions in your screenshot has exactly 39 linked questions, the third has 37. Apparently it doesn't count duplicates questions (which would be a killer feature) so, some questions that were commented or referenced plays in ...

Do you guys have these two? They exist for both firefox and chrome

chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chat-reply-helper-for-sta/…

chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/kbd-button-for-stack-exch/…

@Braiam Where did you get those numbers?

@slm see my comment

@terdon I use both.

at least, I have them installed.

you can get the same result just typing http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/linked/postid on the address bar

that if you know the id of the post

2:40 AM

no mods for putting additional links to things on mSO bar?

i'm not finding any, I'm getting sick of having to click my icon and then rep to get to rep

anyone can explain which software he used to get those output?

no idea

i'm looking

there's a pkg called cpuid but i don't think it gives that output, it almost looks like he dumped /proc or /dev or perhaps used some assembly to get it

it confuses me that he linked cpuid.com...

Well cpuid is the instruction in the x86 you call to get at some of this info

@Braiam he's using cpuid -r

2:56 AM

on the third hand arstechnica.com/security/2014/01/…

mine doesn't change..

@Braiam ouch. I was especially gratified when he talked about @mat's account getting compromised, since I had immediately thought about that.

3:41 AM

@Braiam What BS.

yeah... I remember that I have 2 credit cards... one for paypal (and I pay then with paypal, what I can pay) that I don't use anywhere else and another for places that doesn't accept paypal...

3:56 AM

come here, come all! answer the first Unix & Linux SE survey!

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Q: A small survey on your opinions on various issues

Introduction Inspired by Getting to know you: who are you and why do spend time on unix.sx?, plus some discussions on chat. This is a survey, and is intended to be a little more scientific than @FaheemMitha's question. If you think that something should be represented here, feel free to add it. ...

/me prays he hasn't forgotten anything

1 hour later…

5:11 AM

cat

cat > foo.txt

cha-cha!

narf!

ctrl-D (for Done!)

Meyow!

um. what

I love cat!

:)

ok...

shrugs

Well is there a better way to type directly into a file on the command line?

I went to a talk tonight advertised as using everything builtin to Bash. He immediately led with something not even in aptitude.

He was munging data in csv format.

geez

@AaronHall echo > foo.txt << EOF

some text here

EOF

that way you don't waste a process

5:24 AM

ok, that seems cool, but what's waste a process mean?

and when I cat the file, it doesn't show my text

$ echo > foo.bar << EOF
> foo
> bar
> baz
> EOF

$ cat foo.bar

nothing!

echo is a shell builtin, so you don't need to allocate a PID. cat is a binary, so you need to load it into memory from disk (or more likely from the disk cache), plus you need to allocate a PID

see also the useless use of cat award :P

ok

our speaker mentioned it

I may have gotten the syntax wrong one sec

But I like it regardless, particularly since it works :D

cat > foo.txt << EOF
some text here
EOF

doesn't work w/ echo

5:28 AM

rats

I just found that out trying to make it work

why is that?

See if you can tell me:
strace -o b.log echo > foo.txt <<EOF
some text here
EOF

your answer is in b.log

He didn't use it my way, he was using it to open files that he could have just opened with the utility he was piping them to

He was like, these tools cobbled together are a great toolkit for manipulating data and doing analysis. I'm like, Yeah, if you don't have R or Python or absolutely any other kind of language.

@slm that tells us nothing, because it uses the echo executable. yes?

ugh, there's a ton of crap because Cygwin

yuck

cygwin

yeah

5:37 AM

@AaronHall - these tools are much more flexible than R or Python, and much more accessible.

fair enough

gotta go

sleepy time

write(1, "\n", 1) = 1

your echo doesn't ever echo anything but that

ah. I couldn't tell

445 30915 [main] echo 4740 write: 1 = write(1, 0x80042B08, 1)

there was another tool for looking at pipes

which might help illustrate this better

hmm

5:49 AM

@terdon - doesn't this work for you?

man -P less netstat

@slm nope

it looks great but when you try and redirect to a file, it looses the formatting

It was surprisingly hard actually, I finally found a way (posted an a) that keeps both the lines unwrapped and interprets the formatting but it needs to be run on the actual .gz man file

@strugee - the echo ?

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A: Process substitution and pipe

I should suppose you are talking about bash or some other advanced shell, because the posix shell do not have process substitution. bash manual page reports: Process Substitution Process substitution is supported on systems that support named pipes (FIFOs) or the /dev/fd method of...

@slm ?

echo <(date) doesn't show output, it shows a file descriptor

when you do a heredoc you're creating a temp. file descriptor, echo doesn't know how to deal w/ those

ooooh

6:02 AM

only streams of input on it's stdin

gotcha

so echo can't do what you wanted there, i had to think for a sec too about it

it seemed like a natural thing to type

this is why I need to get to know my shell better

I still don't know the syntax for manipulating file descriptors.

me neither

oh dear...

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Q: Can someone help me access Win7 on a dual partition?

kay, so I'm having a problem dual booting... been searching for a couple hours, but frankly, there are millions of Qs and thousands of answers.. So let me first be brutally honest: I'm an idiot. Like... so bad. Okay, so I've been dual booting Win7 and Ubuntu for about 4 months (I rarely use ubunt...

ubuntu windows grub2 dual-boot backtrack

6:09 AM

feel free, i have no interest in helping that one ton.

this man page one is bugging me now

@slm hah! Got to you too eh? :)

yeah it's irksome to me

more than interesting

I feel it should be somehow possible through some combination of man -P and groff tricks but I can't figure it out

Still, at least I found a solution that works for html ;)

$ man -w netstat | xargs zcat | groff -T html -man > netstat.1.html

@slm blast!

well done!

I knew there must be a way to do it with groff. I wish I'd found it but I'm glad someone did, it was bugging me.

6:38 AM

@guys, you have to read the history session of the OP. poor guy :)

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Q: Can someone help me access Win7 on a dual partition?

kay, so I'm having a problem dual booting... been searching for a couple hours, but frankly, there are millions of Qs and thousands of answers.. So let me first be brutally honest: I'm an idiot. Like... so bad. Okay, so I've been dual booting Win7 and Ubuntu for about 4 months (I rarely use ubunt...

ubuntu windows grub2 dual-boot backtrack

@terdon cringes

2 hours later…

8:50 AM

@terdon the swastika is an ancient Indian religious symbol. At least it was, before certain Other Parties co-opted it.

@strugee Thanks.

@strugee I chose "I prefer to use only free software for ethical reasons". I use proprietary software, notably Skype, but "kicking and screaming".

4 hours later…

12:55 PM

@slm What tools? Unix tools?

@FaheemMitha command line tools, Aaron wasn't seeing the value in piping unix commands together.

@slm Right, I sort of gathered that. You think command line tools are more accessible than R and Python?

@FaheemMitha How many ppl here know how to use grep, sed, awk, vs. R?

@slm I don't know.

Data manip. problems are generally solved w/ awk here

12:59 PM

@slm Or similar tools, yes.

Just looking at how problems are generally solved

@slm I think Aaron is right that a general purpose programming language is a better tool for a job, especially one specialised for it, like R.

Though calling R a general purpose programming language is rather flattering

Regardless, it's good at things like data manipulation. As long as the data is not too big.

For large data one might be better off with sed/awk etc.

Horrible things happen when one tries to use large data sets with R.

yeah but my point is that R is less accessible, in the sense that it's typically not installed or easy to start using.

@slm True, but it is trivial to install on most of the OSs people use here.

yes but lots of times ppl don't have permissions to install it, esp. in corp. environments.

1:02 PM

And universally available, I'd say. And tons of people use it. I don't know if I'd agree with less accessible.

look at a sampling of unix systems and count how many have R installed vs. awk, sed, grep

@slm I guess you are up early? It is 8 am on the East Coast.

@FaheemMitha - I have kids getting ready for school

@slm Sure, but my point is just that it is easily installed.

@slm That's nice.

with debian-like systems, apt-get install r-base-dev or similar.

yes but most users don't have root access to install s/w

you're thinking like a user who has a linux computer at home

most businesses do not allow users root access

1:04 PM

@slm I am, yes.

@slm Ok, that does make a difference, I agree. But don't people who deal professionally in computers have their own personal machine which they can install stuff on, using sudo if nothing else?

Aaron had gone to a class where they were demo'ing the power of the command line using standard tools, and he was poo-pooing them.

@FaheemMitha Generally no, the IT dept. locks them down.

@slm Ok, I see. I didn't read the scrollback carefully. I think they do have a plus with you want good performance. The classical Unix tools are basically just C, right?

I mean, it is like you wrote a C program to manipulate your data.

@slm Ok. I'm used to universities, which might be a little more relaxed.

universities usually don't care at all about security, has been my exp. Or in maintainability of systems, they have more the attitude of install whatever I need, I don't care if it's more work to support many diff. setups

@slm Yes, that's probably true. My experience is limited, of course.

Though sometimes they have a big firewall in front of everything.

1:41 PM

@derobert I remember you saying you used a command line tool for this. pdftk? I don't remember. In any case, this question hasn't got any answers yet, so if you want to add one...

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Q: Text annotations and image additions to PDF file using free software

I'm mostly interested in annotating a PDF file with text at a predetermined position. GUIs and command line utilities are both Ok, but only free software solutions, please. However, I included image additions for completeness. There are two similar questions on Ask Ubuntu, but they are both a co...

pdf free-software

2:37 PM

@FaheemMitha - see my A, is that what you want?

@slm last I tried (as stated in the comments) this did not work for me.

Can you specify your version of libreoffice, and OS as well, please?

@slm Yes, thanks.

I just saw your answer - I think you just posted it.

I wrote this up if you're just looking to annotate a signature

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A: How can I add a signature .png to a PDF in Linux?

I found this script which you can modify to attach a signature to an existing PDF file. http://emmanuel.branlard.free.fr/work/linux/dev/SignPDF/SignPDF You can also download it from this pastebin URL: http://pastebin.com/9TL5pvBA There is also this Q&A on AskUbuntu that has many other met...

@FaheemMitha - yes just saw your request here and hadn't seen this Q before.

I guess I could have a shot at upgrading libreoffice if this is a version issue. though libreoffice is probably a bear to compile.

@slm Yes, it seems to have slipped by unnoticed.

@slm I think I've seen this before.

I'm just looking to add typed text.

Are those two red arrows part of the picture? It is unclear, because you are using another red arrow to point to something.

The red arrows I added

@slm Ok. Why?

Ah, there is an LO backport. let's try that.

No, this is not working for me with the version in wheezy.

2:48 PM

How would I have annotated Draw and added an arrow to the toolbar?

Why what?

@slm Why add the red arrows? If they are pointing to something, it is not clear (to me) what.

To show you that he can.

Proof of concept

@FaheemMitha also see here:

List of PDF software

This list of PDF software includes links to articles on software used to manage Portable Document Format (PDF) documents. Multi-platform Converters These allow users to convert PDF files to other formats. {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !Name !License !Platforms !Description |- | deskUNPDF | Proprietary | Mac, Windows | Converts PDFs to Word, Excel, Text, HTML |- | GIMP | GNU GPL | Linux, Mac, Windows | Converts PDF to raster images |- | ImageMagick | Apache | Linux, Mac, Windows | Converts PDF to raster images and viceversa |- | PDFLite | GNU LGPL | Windows | Converts PDF to other f...

@terdon Thanks.

and you can always use gimp

@terdon True.

2:53 PM

I was showing you that it was possible to annotate it, that is what you wanted, right?

@slm do you have any ideas for that poor clueless guy? I can't understand why his Windows install is not detected by os-prober. None of the commands he ran could have borked (or even affected) his system in any way.

Talking about:

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Q: How to access Win7 on a dual boot machine?

I've been dual booting Win7 and Ubuntu for about 4 months and I got on it today to change the default boot on grub, because my girlfriend kept getting locked out when it reboots and, by default, goes to the Ubuntu partition. I tried using the command promt. I used the command found here which w...

ubuntu windows grub2 dual-boot backtrack

@slm Right. I was just confused because I thought the arrows might be pointing to something.

But it was not obvious what.

nope just demoing the abilities

I've made them blue just for you

w/ a note

don't say I never did anything for you 8-)

@terdon I'd ask him for the rest of the grub config file? Where are all the title stanzas?

@slm :-)

@slm hmm, yeah. He's only posted the /etc/default/grub file

3:01 PM

@terdon - they're cycling his Q as a dup now,

@slm that was me, he reposted it

I closed as a dupe of his original q

hmm, I just voted to close it as dup, looked like it on surface, no matter we can reopen if it's different

The strange thing is that os-prober does not see his WIndows install

I suspected last night that his title stanza for windows got messed up and wasn't there

I'm confused with the Win7, Ubuntu, backtrack 5

But it should show in the output of grub-mkconfig

3:03 PM

which things is he using

maybe, I'm also suspicious of the gap in his fdisk output

Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary.

@slm Yeah but that shouldn't cause much of a problem should it? I've seen that message on my disks loads of times

3:18 PM

looking for leads

Strange, I'm now running LibreOffice 4.1.4.2 410m0(Build:2)

But doing libreoffice something.pdf still does not display the PDF file for me.

@slm you just do -> libreoffice something.pdf and nothing else, right?

Maybe I'm missing some bit of LO functionality

hmm, looks like libreoffice-pdfimport might be it

Hmm, looks like that was it.

@slm Ok, how to I insert text? By default there is no insertion cursor on the document.

3:56 PM

managed to save the file with some added text, but the output looks crappy.

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