@I'll-Be-Back Typical. Did you see this from Dawkin's earlier in the year?: 'What a child should never be taught is that you are a Catholic or Muslim child, therefore that is what you believe. That's child abuse.'

@JackDouglas he is an idiot, ridiculous. child abuse is from everywhere, nothing to do with religion.

@goldPseudo I heard there is a shariah congress in canada: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Islamic_Congress

hi @JackDouglas

I had asked you about homeschooling

@Islam I had to disappear because I was homeschooling! Irony, hey :)

I think I have made a mistake ordering DrayTek Vigor 3900 :(

I should have build pfsense box instead.

@JackDouglas have you seen this school:iqra.slough.sch.uk/Contact-Us

@I'll-Be-Back more hassle though?

I like DrayTek (at least the lower-end stuff)

@Islam yes thanks, it is quite close :)

@JackDouglas If there is a good value based school around you should not mind to send them as a trial

@Islam if we were looking for a school, we'd consider it—we think our best option is schooling them at home for now…

@Islam there probably is, but they have no legislative authority.

Its for work

@JackDouglas DrayTek Vigor 3900 is not really lower-end :)

3 Internet Providers we have at the moment.

@I'll-Be-Back I know, I've only used the 28nn series

they are low-end but still pretty good

it's all low-end compared to Cisco :p

Cool

@JackDouglas I am going to setup Windows Server network - this is completely new to me - so im doing research and making plan :)

VMware?

Yea I will be installing Windows Server on the VM (VMware ESXi)

60 workstations will be connected to windows server.

I'm sure you'll be fine, but if you aren't planning to already, perhaps consider taking snapshots at important parts of the install you can roll back to (eg before and after installing the ADDS role)

Yep, I have considered this - now sure which software to use for that.

@JackDouglas In this organisation there are Sales department, Customer Services department, etc - I would like to block all the websites and only allow a few websites. Each department will have different rules.

What can it be done to do this?

@goldPseudo As long as the muslims follow it , I dont think a legislative power is needed

@goldPseudo are you involved in Jamaat activities?

@JackDouglas So how is your home school experience

how do you conduct the appraisals?

I recently became father of a girl :Maryam and wanted to try homeschooling

@I'll-Be-Back doing this right is really hard

you may want to look as something like this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zscaler

I was considering to use Squid

(see the list of alternatives in that)

@I'll-Be-Back yes you can proxy everything yourself

maybe ask on ServerFault?

I was considering to use Squid as proxy. Then each department have spefic IP's range. so I filter the websites base on the IP's range group.

Yep I did ;)

@Islam man cannot serve two masters. trying to follow two distinct legal traditions at the same time is a good way to follow neither properly.

@Islam such as?

@Islam congratulations!

@Islam I think it depends where you live, it's pretty hard here in the UK because apart from all the obvious difficulties, there is opposition and distrust verging on anger even before someone knows anything about you

but there are many benefits too

where are you based?

@JackDouglas Mumbai

@JackDouglas So you have never sent your kids to school?

@Islam no, never, we were converted to Christianity while my wife was pregnant with our first child and from very early on we felt school was not the right choice for our children

@JackDouglas From athiesm?

yes

my wife from a nebulous belief in God and me from athiesm

@JackDouglas so you are still seeking the truth?

do you mean, am I open to conversion to Islam?

@JackDouglas "we were cnverted..." did someone convert you?

@JackDouglas Yes

reading the Bible did

@Islam I don't think so, but I am interested to read the Qur'an

it was the Christian scripture that had the profound effect on me

but that was the only scripture I read

I believe reading the Qur'an will confirm my Christian faith but who knows?

@JackDouglas So you did it all on your own?

@JackDouglas I hope you would not be fixated to the christian faith, I would like you to read the Quran with the sincere intention to seek the truth.

intention is the most important thing

of course, I don't treat it lightly

@JackDouglas I recently heard of someone who converted to Ancient Green polytheism from reading an academic book on the subject.

Takes all sorts, eh?

@TRiG I will need to Google that!

@TRiG Hi @TRiG Welcome to Islam.se

@Islam Hi. I hang around now and again.

@TRiG Ya AFAIK You are are a Mormon turned atheist , so why you chose to be an atheist instead of choosing the next logical way:Islam?

@TRiG ancient Green or ancient Greek?

my Google-fu is failing

Greek.

interesting dichotomy two people here , one has left athiesm other has accepted athiesm

And typo is too far back for me to correct.

@TRiG But I guess Mormons are closer to Muslims theologicaly as they dont belive that Jesus is divine

?

@JackDouglas I know who said it (Chris the Cynic from Stealing Commas) and I know the context in which he said it (a discussion about the possibility of religion dying out entirely), but I don't know where he said it (his own blog, Ana Mardoll's blog, Slacktivist, Slacktiverse@Typepad, Slacktiverse@Blogger, or Slacktiverse@WordPress).

IIRC Mormon\LDS \Watchtower are all the same?

@Islam I don't know much about Mormons, really. I think they do believe Jesus is divine, but not with quite the same meaning as Trinitarian Christians would have.

@TRiG You were JW?

and do you still have some belief in God left?]

@Islam And no. The LDS church is the largest branch of Mormonism. The Watchtower Society and the Watch Tower Society are printing/publishing organisations run by Jehovah's Witnesses, a completely different religion.

Witnesses and Mormons are both non-Trinitarian Christians, but their theologies are very very different.

@TRiG JW dont believe in that Joesef smith

but do JW consider Jesus to be God?

and are you still JW?

No, No, and No.

They do believe Jesus is a god, but I recall that discussions of semantics with you tend to go down the drain quite fast, so I'm a bit unwilling to explain what that means (unless someone else is interested). Besides anything else, this isn't really the venue for a discussion of the minutia of Christian theology.

@TRiG But JWs dont believe that ?

@Islam Eh? That is the Witness belief: Jesus is not God, but he is a god. (Not that they commonly use that word.)

iirc, JW believes that Jesus was the archangel Michael in the flesh.

@I'll-Be-Back Here's one feminist arguing that banning the niqab (or any other similar dress) is a bad move. I'm inclined to agree, I think.

@JackDouglas I ... erm ... don't entirely disagree with Dawkins.

(I do disagree with him, but not entirely.)

@TRiG you probably wont be surprised to hear me say I think bringing up your children any other way is child abuse :)

I'm just not sure how blind he is to his own framework

but frameworks aside, it's a bit daft to say a parent should not teach a child the truth. If they have got the truth wrong, that is the problem, not the way they are bringing up their child

(until Brave New World arrives of course)

@JackDouglas To quote Marcus Bridgstock, a four-year-old is no more a Christian than he is a member of the Postal Workers Union.

Religious identification is the area where I agree with Dawkins. Religious belief is a bit trickier.

Certainly some of the vivid hell stuff (have you read that speech from Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man?) is abusive.

(Also disgusting.)

teaching hell is abusive if it is not true. Failing to teach it is abusive if it is…

@JackDouglas Teaching that the God who invented Hell should be loved ... now that's abusive. Quite typical abusive behaviour, actually.

@TRiG you are speaking as one who believes it is not true

telling children that fire is hot is not abusive because it is true (and helpful to know)

whatever you think of the fire, truth is a good thing

(Ways which are quite reminiscent of abusive relationships.)

And this -- this -- is why Calvinism creeps me out.

@TRiG actually God is very loveable properly understood

and justice is not bad

justice<>sadism or hate

Good Evening, back home now.