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Q: Are millennials and generation Z more politically conscious than previous generations?

ATL_DEVWhen I was growing up, my generation (gen X) was rather apathetic in our youth. Politics was the boring stuff done up there with little bearing on what's happening down here. It was the realm of adults whose job it was to run society. We had better things to do like rock out to the latest music, ...

Louder maybe. Conscious? I doubt it
(In the US, although Iran would follow the same pattern I think)
 
My mind is perfectly boggled
 
3:45 AM
@M.A.R. Interesting. I do think it's telling that the main complaint about the next generation these days isn't that they have no principles but that they're too morally stringent and intolerant of others who don't share their values. Kind of a reversal of the usual complaints.
On balance, it's generally better to be too principled than not principled enough, so I have some hope for my generation and the ones following it.
 
4:35 AM
 
@alphabet You may be certain that the next generation that comes after yours, and the next after that, will decide that you and your generation are generally a waste of skin.
If they don't actually hunt you down with tar and feathers, that is.
And you will be so frustrated that they are going their own way, which does not resemble yours at all, and the wisdom you have somehow doesn't even translate into their language. In other words, they will be just as confidently, not to say smugly, self-centered as you and yours are.
 
5:23 AM
@Robusto My apologies if I came across as smug or self-centered, but I'm not sure what I've done to deserve that insult.
I certainly wasn't intending to criticize you or your generation; I'm sorry if I was misinterpreted.
 
6:00 AM
> When a long-term memory forms, some brain cells experience a rush of electrical activity so strong that it snaps their DNA. Then, an inflammatory response kicks in, repairing this damage and helping to cement the memory, a study in mice shows. nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00930-y
I read about this a year ago, and this is probably some cool follow-up study
 
6:35 AM
Last night, I told my cousin that theoretic grammars seem to be, well, Hogs in Housecoats. You tell them to put on a Nice dress, but alas, it's a Hog and it took a lot to know what a dress was. BTW, I'm reading Winnie the Pooh now…and will just do whatever as consistently as possible now.
 
 
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7:54 AM
At a bus stop in the late evening
The red signs indicate the estimated times till the relevant bus arrives, based on satellite tracking data
And below is a sensor screen with a city map
 
 
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8:56 AM
Korean idiom of the day: Draw the sword upon seeing a mosquito ― means it's an overkill.
 
 
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10:37 AM
@DannyuNDos It makes me think of: A hammer to kill an ant.
 
 
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1:28 PM
@CowperKettle Is this new for that bus stop/line/your pubic transportation system?
 
@Mitch I didn't know CK had a pubic transportation system :-)
 
1:51 PM
@alphabet That wasn't an insult, and I apologize if you took it that way. What it was is a statement of what I see happening, based on my longer perspective than yours. My generation rebelled against our parents, the next against us, and so on, and yours against everything that has come before. Every generation inherits problems and ultimately makes its own way, with successes and failures, but is doomed to be scapegoated anyway.
Failures are remembered, successes forgotten; it is the way of the world.
 
@Robusto These generations ain't reading books, that's the problem as I see it. My nephew (35 years old and very math inclined) tells me: "But I do read. I read stuff online". [sigh]
 
@Lambie I know. My elder son I don't think has ever read a book that he didn't have to for school.
 
2:19 PM
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@Robusto I was closer :-)
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3:09 PM
> a 2016 survey shows about 80 percent of respondents between the ages of 18 to 29 had read at least one book in the previous 12 months, the highest share amongst all age groups.
> About 73 percent of the respondents aged between 30 to 49 years old said they read at least one book in the last 12 months. The share among respondents between 50 and 64 years old stood at 70 percent, whereas 67 percent of respondents aged 65 plus stated reading book during the time measured.
 
@alphabet Not only these bastards don't read but they even lie about it! ;-)
 
At least according to Pew's 2021 survey, younger age groups read substantially more books than older ones.
Even if you limit it to print books, the younger generations are reading more.
 
4:03 PM
@alphabet "Reading one book in the previous 12 months" makes my point.
 
4:49 PM
@Mitch No, they have been installing these gradually and now it has reached the outskirts
 
@jlliagre Kids these days are the worst. They don't want to work when there are many jobs available. They're handed things on a platter and then they complain about it. They're heads (and eyes) are glued to a tiny screen and can't be bothered to talk to some live person actually in front of them.
Also, that's me at this very moment.
 
Also, looking out the window, I see one of these kids on my lawn.
Hold on.
I just had to yell at them for a sec.
 
Time spent on physical activity, by month
In my Strava account
 
Oh... that's for just you, not a statistic for a bunch of people.
 
4:52 PM
I've just walked 27.4 km
 
@alphabet @Robusto In defense of the 30-50 year old crowd with kids, who has the time to do anything? Reading a book would be a luxury.
And what does it get you? If it's fiction, it's by definition -not the case-. Made up by someone.
@CowperKettle That's pretty good. Just thinking of those big numbers makes me tired. The important part is did you see anything new or interesting?
Sorry, I'm tweening myself and pushing an agenda that no one cares about. But fiction is just a bunch of lies. All made up. 50 shades of Young Adult Novel fan fiction.
And non-fiction is boring. Who wants to be told new facts from a book? I got enough old facts to worry about that are not going away.
@alphabet Without any data to support this, my impression is that -everybody- old young whatever, is reading (seeing and interpreting text) -way- more than in the past (same for all generations), but sadly it is in stream or comment form, where there is little commitment to long-term discourse management, ie it's very reactive to the last thing said.
@jlliagre I don't know... tech is pretty advanced these days.
@CowperKettle Yeah it should be pretty easy nowadays (even though some solution has been around for decades).
Here in the Boston area I remember being astonished at how backwards the bus system was even 10 years ago. If there was even the slightest change in which bus was supposed to go where, the driver would scratch on a piece of paper the route it was taking and tape it inside the front window.
 
5:22 PM
@Mitch Maybe, spare me the gory details anyway. I don't want to know who or what might use them.
 
5:49 PM
Just in case, I was referring to a pubic transportation system.
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6:15 PM
@Mitch Given what I've heard about the bestselling works of Colleen Hoover, I think reading fiction may actually be making people less intelligent.
 
6:42 PM
@jlliagre All I'm thinking of is nowadays any public transport system could do a do-it-yourself tracking system with those Apple Airtag things on each conveyance and some minimal UI to show where all the conveyances are. I'm sure 30 years ago a similar lo-tech version with RFID or even radio transponders, by some postgrad summer internship in engineering. No big science/SpaceX/satellite tracking needed.
@alphabet goes to look up Colleen Hoover
> ...named one of the 100 most influential people in the world by Time magazine in 2023.
OK sounds promising.
> She worked in various social work and teaching jobs before starting her career as an author.
OK an upstanding member of society. ::thumbs_up::
 
She writes romance novels that people seem to enjoy hating on.
 
> The novel concerns domestic violence, and, according to Hoover, it was written with the intention of advocating for domestic violence victims. The story was inspired by Hoover's personal experience as a child growing up in a household with domestic violence, which carried through into her adult life.
OK sounds like pretty heavy stuff.
> Hoover's work has been criticized for normalizing abuse.
Oh.
Hm.
That seems at odds with ... well ... 'advocating for domestic violence victims'
Anyway, I couldn't judge her writing.
I'll wait for the movie to come out and not watch that.
 
Supposedly there are a number of scenes in which a woman acts reluctant to have sex, but the man somehow intuitively understands that she actually wants it. Basically romanticizing sexual assault.
 
I'm struggling with the reading vs watching. The Three-Body Problem just came out on (whatever streaming service I'm watching it on... I can't remember such ephemera)... the book has been on my reading list for a while.
But I'm watching it, not reading the book.
 
Granted I've only heard rants about it, I haven't read it myself.
 
6:53 PM
I understand fully the benefit of reading.
but
if it can be adapted to the screen well... a picture is worth a thousand words and you get a whole lot of pictures in a movie.
yes yes a movie (or even an 8 1-hour episode series) has to cut out quite a bit plus internal monologues, description, etc etc
and you miss the exercising of your imagination and memory of intentions (that's the one (or is it two)), the implied always-unspoken benefits of reading over movies.
But if you don't have to waste hours of your time staring at a page... the movie is over in a bit.
On the other side of the coin, creating a novel is almost negligible effort (one person writing everyday for months) in comparison to the production of a movie (hundreds of people working full time for months).
In mostly irrelevant news, I'm finally getting used to spelling 'negligible' correctly.
@alphabet That sounds like the 'normalizing abuse' aspect.
 
7:18 PM
@Mitch I'm afraid you still miss the typo in pubic.
Pubic transportation was anyway a bon mot :-)
 
@CowperKettle Поздравляем!
 
7:39 PM
@jlliagre OMG
I must be reading what I think it should be rather than what is.
Mar 26 at 15:54, by Robusto
@MetaEd There was a Darwin Award given to a guy on a golf course who, drunk, tried to use a ball washer to wash his other balls. Took him right out of the genetic propagation chain.
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@Robusto squirms
 
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@jlliagre I don't know... tech is pretty advanced these days.
 
Mt. Taylor from the Sandía Heights. More than 50 miles away.
I just love the big sky out here.
@Mitch Specious reasoning.
If reasoning it can be called at all.
 
8:09 PM
@Mitch But: movies don't have the vocabulary and phrasal richness. The point with reading is the internalization of narrative which enriches one's experience.
 
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@Robusto I'd say glib, but has anybody offered any reasoning here?
 
@alphabet and Robusto - that's the problem now that we have universal you instead of one. But then again, one can always get the intended referents of ones 'ones' mixed up too! I think when Robusto said 'you' it was generic 'you'. In fact it was the 'you' that was actually Robusto!
 
I vaguely see a few thousand word discourse as richer somehow than 90 minutes of visuals, but anytime I try to make it quantitative, movies come out better.
 
@Araucaria-Him Indeed, I interpreted all of the "you"s in that series of messages by Robusto as referring to me personally.
 
@alphabet On is my preferred pronoun.
 
An hour of reading vs an hour of theater (just dialog) vs an hour of a movie w screenplay vs a wordless movie.
 
9:31 PM
I find French on impossible to use correctly.
... Which is not surprising as I don't speak French
 
'one' in English sometimes works, but it always sounds very formal.
 
But even when I used to study French on still couldn't use on correctly.
@Mitch Yes, right. And there's too many ones to deal with already. Numeral, common noun (and pro-"nominal"), and pronoun.
 
@Lambie I think that's what I was hinting at with 'memory of intentions' (internalization of narrative).
 
@Mitch The opposite in French. We can easily spot non native speakers because they overuse nous for 'we'.
 
@Mitch Additionally, One's 'ones' can get confused if one 'one' is mistaken for a different 'one' or even a different one's 'one'.
 
9:37 PM
CGEL's section on the different uses of the word "one" made my head hurt. I think I understood most of it.
 
@Araucaria-Him Don't forget the cringy adjectival use "The suspect had numerous calls with his accountant, one Norville Beazley"
 
@jlliagre You pretended to, but Sometimes you're on, but sometimes you're off. At least as regards puzzles. ^_^
 
@jlliagre Nous savons.
 
Take the joke in my bio: "One man's trash is mine now."
 
@Mitch On sait !
 
9:40 PM
@Mitch There was a question a while back about whether this use of "one" before proper names is more common in Indian English than other dialects; I don't think anyone could answer it.
 
@Araucaria-Him By the way, the whole mess is an example of the fallacy of division: what is true of the whole is necessarily true of all of its parts:
The fallacy of division is an informal fallacy that occurs when one reasons that something that is true for a whole must also be true of all or some of its parts. An example: The second grade in Jefferson Elementary eats a lot of ice cream Carlos is a second-grader in Jefferson Elementary Therefore, Carlos eats a lot of ice creamThe converse of this fallacy is called fallacy of composition, which arises when one fallaciously attributes a property of some part of a thing to the thing as a whole. If a system as a whole has some property that none of its constituents has (or perhaps, it has it but...
So when our generation is threatened, we feel that sting of the lash ourselves.
 
@Lambie Thinking about this harder, this is also almost convincing enough to say that arts like painting or dance are even less articulate than movies. (I have often thought that some abstract expressionism or performance art or surrealism is only worth the words you can write about it, with no need to bother in experiencing in the original medium)
@jlliagre snort
 
@alphabet makes note to get stronger trash bins
 
@alphabet I just heard it on Hawaii-five-oh. Literally yesterday.
Overheard it.
I have to make it clear.
 
@jlliagre I accidentally appended my response to you to one I started to Mitch: "Sometimes you're on, but sometimes you're off. At least as regards puzzles. ^_^"
 
9:43 PM
I have a reputation to uphold.
 
@Mitch Don't worry. We all tend to place you beneath a pedestal.
 
@Robusto As I've said, I keep trying to convince people to adopt my design for a trash can more accessible to raccoons with disabilities.
 
@Robusto Thanks!
I may be below you but nothing is beneath me!
 
It's Mitches all the way down!
 
Even today, raccoons with rheumatoid arthritis are denied equal access to trash cans.
 
9:46 PM
@Robusto and it's a long way down
 
@Robusto I noticed the uppercase S.
 
@alphabet Think of the ones we have as like training.
 
We must embrace an intersectional approach that acknowledges the unique forms of systemic oppression faced by disabled raccoons.
 
@Robusto Oh. Now I have to go reinterpret everything.
 
@Mitch No worries: Mitch < pedestal
 
9:49 PM
@Robusto At least I know my place.
 
I'm glad we had this talk.
 
Send me a bill.
 
Done.
 
cash spews from ATM
I hope you're happy now.
 
That ATM must have been eating funny money.
 
9:52 PM
It's all made up anyway. Money's value is just a social construct - we agree to its worth simply because we agree to it.
 
How much dollars are the bills that US' ATMs can spit out?
 
Also life is meaningless and even if you're not looking into the abyss, it's definitely looking into you.
@DannyuNDos I'm pretty sure $20 is the max.
and $10 is the min.
and there ain't no $15 so you takes what you can get.
 
So $50 and $100 are too much?
 
@DannyuNDos yeah
Stores will often say they won't take bills bigger than $20.
Something about deterring crime?
Like if you have a lot of bills in your cash register that are too large, that's incentive to robbery?
I don't know, I haven't studied doing crime in a long while.
 
10:09 PM
By a similar reason, South Korea shouldn't have launched 50,000 KRW banknote. They should've launched a 30,000 KRW one.
 
10:19 PM
I think every South Korean memorizes what people are portraited on KRW banknotes, but should I memorize what people are on USD bills?
 
10:34 PM
@Robusto It looks cool
@DannyuNDos We have Putin on each banknote, easy to memorize
Word of 03:37 am: mesa - an isolated, flat-topped elevation, ridge or hill, which is bounded from all sides by steep escarpments and stands distinctly above a surrounding plain.
 
We have some €0 bills :-)
 
That's a souvenir.
 
Can you combine a EUR 1 bill with a couple of those to make EUR 100?
 
You might try.
But there are no €1 bills.
Smallest is €5.
Largest is €500 but it is being phased out. It was only used by drug smugglers and the like.
 
@CowperKettle Lots of those 'round here.
I can see several out my office window.
 
10:44 PM
I came to know what a mesa is because of Minecraft.
 
It's a table.
 
@jlliagre Not in English.
 
> ¡A la mesa! ― Dinner is ready!
 
@CowperKettle NOT IN ENGLISH! *pouts*
 
@Mitch Yes, some art writing is more interesting than the art. I guess it becomes an art itself. But there's always: Ceci n'est pas une pipe.
 
10:46 PM
@CowperKettle The smallest RUB I saw when I went to Russia is 0.5.
 
@DannyuNDos I still have some 1 kopek coins from when I was there.
 
And what the heck, 1 RUB = 15 KRW now? It was 20 KRW that time. The war really messed up your currency.
 
But that was right after they removed three zeros from the currency, and the exchange rate about about 3-5 rubles to the dollar.
 
@DannyuNDos I don't think so. It's trivia for most people (sort of irrelevant because it has the number in them). It's fun to know but not necessary.
@Lambie that's extremely exceptional, to have explicit writing in a painting.
 
@CowperKettle I'm looking at the Wikipedia page about RUB, and I don't see any Putin.
 
10:57 PM
@XanderHenderson What about 'plateau'?
 
@jlliagre Also doesn't mean "table" in English, and also isn't a mountain. :P
 
Yes, but you can put a plateau on a table like you can put a plato on a mesa :-)
 
Let's table this question.
 
@CowperKettle Sure. Let me fire up Excel...
 
You can put your butt on a butte, but not a beaut
 
11:01 PM
> As noted by Bryan in 1922, mesas "...stand distinctly above the surrounding country, as a table stands above the floor upon which it rests".[4] It is from this appearance that the term mesa was adopted from the Spanish word mesa, meaning "table".[2]
A mesa is an isolated, flat-topped elevation, ridge or hill, which is bounded from all sides by steep escarpments and stands distinctly above a surrounding plain. Mesas characteristically consist of flat-lying soft sedimentary rocks capped by a more resistant layer or layers of harder rock, e.g. shales overlain by sandstones. The resistant layer acts as a caprock that forms the flat summit of a mesa. The caprock can consist of either sedimentary rocks such as sandstone and limestone; dissected lava flows; or a deeply eroded duricrust. Unlike plateau, whose usage does not imply horizontal layers...
 
> Buttes are smaller flat topped mountains or hills with steep slopes on all sides. They are typically topped by a hard cap rock that is resistant to erosion protects the softer lower layers beneath.
 
Buttes are big.
Mesas are bigger.
Plateaus are biggest.
 
The Colorado Plateau, also known as the Colorado Plateau Province, is a physiographic and desert region of the Intermontane Plateaus, roughly centered on the Four Corners region of the southwestern United States. This province covers an area of 336,700 km2 (130,000 mi2) within western Colorado, northwestern New Mexico, southern and eastern Utah, northern Arizona, and a tiny fraction in the extreme southeast of Nevada. About 90% of the area is drained by the Colorado River and its main tributaries: the Green, San Juan, and Little Colorado. Most of the remainder of the plateau is drained by the...
 
¡Fijaos en lo grande que es!
 
11:07 PM
'Plateaus' spelling hurt my eyes.
 
@tchrist Exactly. There are mesas on the Colorado Plateau.
A few of those mesas have buttes on them.
I have to drive down off of the Colorado Plateau on Sunday.
 
@jlliagre Mine, too. I don't spell it that way. Otherwise I'd have to abuse too many other words.
@XanderHenderson Why??
Answer: no bunnies, just harey jackrabbits up there.
 
@tchrist To return my daughter to my ex.
15 hours of driving on Sunday. Yay. :/
 
That's a long ways.
 
11:10 PM
I would not advise it, at least not alone.
I haven't not done it but that doesn't mean it's not such hot idea.
 
@tchrist I'm used to it. Lots of podcasts, and a nap in Kingman.
Dinner with a friend in Cali before turning around.
 
The postprandial torpor will do you in.
 
@tchrist No, it is a small meal.
Not enough to reach torpor.
 
Crested Butte is a prominent mountain summit in the Elk Mountains range of the Rocky Mountains of North America. The 12,168-foot (3,709 m) peak is in Gunnison National Forest, 2.1 miles (3.4 km) northeast by east (bearing 59°) of the Town of Crested Butte in Gunnison County, Colorado, United States. Ski lifts and runs of the Crested Butte Mountain Resort occupy the north side of the mountain. == Climate == The Köppen Climate Classification subtype for Crested Butte is "Dfc" which is continental subarctic. This climate type is dominated by the winter season with a long, bitterly cold period of...
Mesa Verde National Park is an American national park and UNESCO World Heritage Site located in Montezuma County, Colorado. The park protects some of the best-preserved Ancestral Puebloan ancestral sites in the United States. Established by Congress and President Theodore Roosevelt in 1906, the park occupies 52,485 acres (212 km2) near the Four Corners region of the American Southwest. With more than 5,000 sites, including 600 cliff dwellings, it is the largest archaeological preserve in the United States. Mesa Verde (Spanish for "green table", or more specifically "green table mountain") is best...
There, now we have all three.
 
@tchrist That's about where my sister lives.
 
11:13 PM
@XanderHenderson It's the most awesome place in Colorado.
 
@tchrist And that is one of my favorite parks. Not quite as good as Petrified Forest, but pretty darn good.
@tchrist Oh? Are you from there, as well?
 
But if she only lives in Gunnison, well, c'est la vie.
 
@tchrist I commonly drive from ABQ to LA or San Clemente non-stop. It's not such a big deal. Audio books help with that.
 
@tchrist She actually lives in Paonia.
 
Ahah!
Come down off Kebler Pass.
And hit Paonia Res.
You go out the back way from Crested Butte.
Well, by car. On the dirt road.
 
11:14 PM
She is, yes.
 
As opposed to taking the scary way over Scoville Pass through Marble and Crystal towards Aspen.
 
Yeah, don't do that.
I do, however, enjoy the drive up there, through Durango.
 
@XanderHenderson I've collectively spent many, many months of my life in those lands.
 
The twisty road through Ouray is great, as long as you don't get stuck behind a truck.
 
Million Dollar Highway.
Tell me about it.
 
11:16 PM
@tchrist My family spent a year living in Cortez when I was younger. I, also, have spent a lot of time in those mountains.
Imma make my daughter take the train this summer, when she comes out.
 
The Elk Range is so weird. It runs west-to-east instead of north-to-south.
So it does weird things to the weather. And catches a great deal of moisture.
The Maroon Bells Wilderness is breathtaking.
I've gone the long way before where you aren't supposed to go. Rode in a Jeep Wrangler once. The other time I merely hiked it through.
And would never get in a vehicle on that road again.
 
@tchrist Oh, I took the kiddo hiking out there two summers ago. It were loverly.
 
You can get to Scofield Park past Scofield Pass, and go up those trails into the MBW. But don't drive more. Turn around and go back down if you're aren't camping right there. At least to Gothic, probably.
That's the West Maroon Trail. The 401 trail is lower, before Emerald Lake.
 
The only thing I don't really understand about the area is the color. It is all
What do you call that?
Groozh?
Grown?
 
Verde verde te quiero verde. Verdes ramas....
 
11:23 PM
The former Lybian flag.
 
That can't be a natural color.
 
That's why it's such a magical place.
 
@DannyuNDos No, but the color...
That unnatural color.
What do you call it?
 
And it has a great hardwood forest so immense that you can see nothing but leafy trees for as far as the can see 360 degrees around you.
This simply does not happen in these lands.
 
@tchrist Scary.
 
11:25 PM
Of course, that's only a few organisms, but it is still bazillions of square whachits.
 
A green that is darkened intermediately.
 
These are the colors of nature:
 
@XanderHenderson No, this is:
 
11:26 PM
@tchrist The dominant species there has one of my favorite scientific names.
 
Populus tremuloides.
 
@XanderHenderson I see you know Mount Garfield, or its like.
 
@tchrist ?
@DannyuNDos That is an AI generated image. Those colors don't exist in nature.
 
????
 
11:28 PM
Or maybe it's been 'shopped.
 
Accordingly, this picture was taken in 지리산.
 
@XanderHenderson There are Class 4 and even Class 5 specimens of those there. You only ever see Class 1 or 2 because they're a pioneer species and are quickly overrun by conifers. But not in Kebler Forest. In Kebler Forest there is birdsong in the air!
Mt. Garfield is the high point of the Book Cliffs, east-northeast of Grand Junction, and overlooking the town of Palisade. Two classic hiking trails ascend the mountain. The mountain was named after President James Garfield a year after Garfield's death. The mountain is composed of Mesaverde Group overlaying Mancos Shale. == References ==
 
Yeah, that's a desert being a desert.
 
@tchrist Ah! No, I was thinking of Petrified Forest / Painted Desert. But it is all part of the same geology.
 
There is no desert here in South Korea, so
 
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@DannyuNDos I don't understand... everything is desert?
What does it mean to be "not desert"?
Insanity!
 
See? We are 70% mountains here, and they're all green.
 
@DannyuNDos Unreal.
 
If you're seeking for a desert in East Asia, go to China or Mongolia.
 
> The largest aspen grove in Colorado, and one of the largest in the United States, is a clone in Kebler Pass, located in the West Elk Mountains near Crested Butte.
A clone.
 
They're all clones.
 
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The only "desert" in France is still quite green.
The Agriates Desert or the Agriates (désert des Agriates in French and l'Agriate in Corsican) is an area of Corsica split between the micro-regions of Balagne and Nebbio in Haute-Corse. == Geography == === Location === The Agriates Desert is a territory bordered to the south by a mountain range, the Serra di Tenda, and on all other sides by the Mediterranean Sea. The territory is divided, from west to east, between the communes of Palasca, San-Gavino-di-Tenda, Santo-Pietro-di-Tenda, and Saint-Florent. The Agriates are largely uninhabited, with the exception of the scattered village of Casta. Some...
 
There's a huge one in southern Utah that I am planning to go visit this summer.
Pando? I think.
 
Yes, that one is Pando. The Kebler one may or may not be larger. It has some immense trunks that have to be seen to be believed.
Notice there are aspens growing in the high Chisos of Big Bend.
Also a lovely hike.
Populus tremuloides does not grow in the soft lands that know no cold worthy of the name.
 
When I worked for the Forest Service in northern Nevada, one of the projects I worked on was recording arbor glyphs on aspen up in Lamoille Canyon, and in the mountains around Jackpot and Jarbidge. That was a fun project.
 
Sounds like it!
 
Lots of 100 year old tree porn.
Probably carved by lonely Basque shepherds.
 
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> The diameter of the trunk is usually around 20 to 80 cm (8 inches to 2 feet 7 inches). The tallest trembling aspen recorded was 36.5 m (119 ft, 9 in) and 1.37 m (4 ft, 6 in) in diameter.
That's what I mean about the big ones being a shocker.
You can't get your arms around them!
 
Yikes!
Aspen aren't supposed to be that large.
 
There are giants among them that men have never seen.
You can easily find bigger ones than you can reach around in Kebler Forest.
It has to be in the right growing location to allow that.
 
Indeed.
 
But it gets to be that big because the Kebler clone doesn't give way to conifers the way tiny aspen groves do. But when it's the size of small eastern states, well, no.
I have found gigantic specimens of various trees here in hideaway places, usually deep in a moist gorge.
Protected from the winds by the steep walls, fed by the river.
 
Oh, we have big trees here, too.
 
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The next April 10th is the South Korean general election. My election district has 5 candidates competing, but my family and I already decided whom to vote to.
 
@XanderHenderson I'm not impressed. I've been to Florissant.
 

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