English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

RegDwigнt

12:00 AM

I wonder if there's a hat for that.

Perhaps I'll build you one out of LEGO.

American Luke

How many do you need?

RegDwigнt

Every single one.

tchrist

I’m out of votes, and this guy needs a lesson in logic:

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A: Unintentional Lies and Misinformation

While any falsehood is a lie, asserting a falsehood while under the impression it is true is not the act of lying. Someone who asserts a lie while believing it to be true is mistaken.

His first sentence alone is self-contradictory.

Marthaª

@tchrist I'm working on it.

tchrist

k

RegDwigнt

12:01 AM

@tchrist you aren't out of votes since a minute.

tchrist

Oh!

RegDwigнt

Speaking of which, how many midnight hats have we got.

tchrist

I forget we are in winter.

@RegDwigнt Ask @Cerb, I betcha he’d sportcha a Midnight Cowboy hat if you asked him nicely enough.

RegDwigнt

Hm looks like the stats haven't updated yet. I forgot about the lag.

tchrist

> he cymeð aᵹén, he him cymeð aᵹén, he cymeð him aᵹén, he cymeð aᵹén him or hine.

American Luke

12:03 AM

I should be getting an updo hat on music any moment now

RegDwigнt

@AmericanLuke seriously though, 10k. I'm on page 9 out of 300 already.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt What’s all this panzer talk?

Even if you did digitize it.

RegDwigнt

@tchrist pardon?

I'm not sure I'm following.

tchrist

10k => panzer

RegDwigнt

I'm kind of in the middle of five things right now.

@tchrist oh that.

Well it used to be a mere 1k supporters when the site was still only for Japan.

Then they decided that for the international market they can ask you for 10k.

Cerberus

12:06 AM

Wow, this is fascinating. English country comes from *contrata [regio] (from contra), as in the land "encountered" opposite to the viewer. And German Gegend is a translation of the Latin!

> Die altgerm. Präposition mhd. gegen, ahd. gegin, gagan, mniederl. jeghen, aengl. gegn (beachte aengl. ongegn, engl. again "wieder")

Ah-HAH!

This is Duden speaking.

tchrist

Dude.

Cerberus

No, plural.

tchrist

@Marthaª He’s a nutter.

Cerberus

It's like Boksen.

tchrist

@Cerberus You mistook an interjection for a corrigendum.

Cerberus

12:09 AM

I did, but ironically so.

tchrist

Now he’s gone a pottie-licking. Bad bad bad.

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus no, you mean genitive.

Duden is made of dude.

Cerberus

Heh.

You're right, it must be the other suffix -en.

tchrist

Eau de dude, by Chanel.

RegDwigнt

429 behind Web Apps.

Cerberus

12:11 AM

Not eau d'ude?

RegDwigнt

58 mins ago, by RegDwigнt

446 behind Web Apps.

No great shakes, but still.

Cerberus

You sound like the Schwallex of old!

RegDwigнt

But still a mere 20 ahead of Unix. That one's more dangerous.

They have 94 pages worth of hatters. We have but 79. Breadth is their weapon.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt It is. Shall we run the Enlightened gantlet again? Or just go upvoting rare people so they get the award on the next GMT0?

Code Maverick

I just got home from work and am about to head out to my son's Cub Scout xmas party ... did we figure out the Eureka! hat yet?

tchrist

12:14 AM

@CodeMaverick No, and it smells.

Code Maverick

dang!

Cerberus

*dung

tchrist

Dang is the past tense of ding.

The past participle is dong.

Code Maverick

exactly

RegDwigнt

@tchrist not sure. I'll give it a think before wasting my votes for today, or for tomorrow, even.

tchrist

12:14 AM

Zactly.

Dung smells worse.

Depends on the dong.

Death smells worser.

Or where it’s been.

ew

12:15 AM

Not if it is a cow's muscle and recently dead.

Code Maverick

depends on how much yeast they've eaten

tchrist

They can splode jaknow.

RegDwigнt

I think I'm calling it a day for as long as I'm still in the no. 1 position.

Don't want you pesky people to ruin my sleep! shakes fist

tchrist

greedily awaits Reg’s parting, that he might swoop in

RegDwigнt

See you tomorrow, hey Frank, can I borrow a couple of bucks from you.

Ouvert et haut !

Cerberus

12:18 AM

Au revoir.

tchrist

It’s Midwinter’s Eve!

Cerberus

Oh, yes.

That is great.

tchrist

Dies Natalis Solis Invictus

Stack Exchange

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Cerberus

Invicti?

tchrist

12:31 AM

Yes.

It’s Sol Invictus, but if we’re making Solis out of it etc etc

Marthaª

What's with the random tumblr post?

RegDwigнt

@alenanno is remarkably absent these days. I hope he's alright.

Marthaª

Also, our lead over Unix&Linux is shrinking alarmingly.

tchrist

In the bleak midwinter, frosty wind made moan,
earth stood hard as iron, water like a stone;
snow had fallen, snow on snow, snow on snow,
in the bleak midwinter, long ago.

Notice how few Latinate words are in that old verse.

RegDwigнt

12:47 AM

I'm also worried about @choster missing out on a warm hat. He has 12 already, but they just aren't keeping him warm!

@tchrist psst.

Did you try that yet?

Cerberus

@tchrist Are there any? Perhaps long?

tchrist

@RegDwigнt No.

@Cerberus Yes.

@RegDwigнt But you’re right that I was trying.

Cerberus

OK.

tchrist

Ahah, I see I did create one. Now to fill them out.

Out out damn typo!

Probably too late. Damn typo.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Bitchin' hat, @tchrist.

tchrist

1:01 AM

Wish I could see it.

Doesn’t show in chat for me.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

shift + F5 a lot

RegDwigнt

@tchrist I do wonder if someone else has to use it first. Too gameable otherwise. Though a delay of a day or so could also work against that. At any rate, don't add it everywhere, save up a couple candidates and ping me with them.

But now I'm out for good for tonight.

tchrist

k

So many dead yules:

yule [n.]
yule [v.] ← yule
› yule banquet, batch, common, fare, feast, hearth, night, time, yule-bread, -cake, -dough, -loaf ← yule
yule-block ← yule
yule-candle ← yule
› yule clog ← clog
yule-clog ← yule
yule-day [n.]
yule-even [n.]
yule-game ← yule
† yule-girth ← yule
yule-log ← yule
› Yule of August, Lammas Yule ← yule
yule-song ← yule
† yule-stock ← yule
yule-tide ← yule
† yule-waiting ← yule
† yule-waitstand ← yule
† yule-work ← yule

Robusto

Has the hat frenzy died down yet?

@tchrist Yule be sorry.

tchrist

@Robusto Yule ooze.

Robusto

1:05 AM

Yulenspiegel.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Yule shoot yer eye out.

Robusto

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 But it's a Red Ryder BB gun!

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

1 min ago, by cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Yule shoot yer eye out.

Robusto

Awww, mom . . .

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Yule a tengo.

badass

1:07 AM

Then you'll look like a Raider.

!!wiki Oakland raiders

KitSox

Oakland Raiders

The Oakland Raiders are a professional American football team based in Oakland, California. Founded in 1960, for the first ten seasons of their existence, the Raiders belonged to the American Football League; they have been members of the National Football League since the 1970 AFL–NFL merger. As of 2013, the Raiders belong to the Western Division of the American Football Conference. Over the span of fifty-two seasons, the Raiders have experienced considerable success. Entering the 2013 season the Raiders sported a lifetime record of 430–363–11 (winning 54% of games played), with a playo...

RegDwigнt

Oh and I sure hope @fumblefingers will still drop by today. I think he was going to?

Robusto

He always has the last word, so . . .

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 out here in the fields / i fight for my meals

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Robusto interesting move.

Robusto

Kind of a thinker.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

1:12 AM

I ain't into them.

Robusto

Aww.

badass

It ain't called teenage wasteland

Robusto

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i'm just a soul whose intentions are good

badass

!!youtube teenage wasteland

KitSox

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Robusto

1:16 AM

!!youtube baba o'riley

KitSox

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Robusto

That's the name.

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Seriously, you're gonna give up after one serve?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

I'm doin' stuff.

:(

Have a black cow.

:D

1:19 AM

but where are you tomorrow?

Marthaª

@Robusto A big THWACK to the lot of yule.

Dammit, now I have to THWACK myself.

Robusto

@Marthaª Hurts, don't it?

Now you know how we feel.

Cerberus

1:43 AM

> The National Security Operations Center at NSA, photographed in 2012—the nerve center of the NSA's "signals intelligence" monitoring.

Mitch

1:54 AM

That's what my home looks like.

American Luke

@RegDwigнt I finally got around to making an account and supporting the project. This is just the type of set my little sister would love :)

Mitch

Just the layout. The color scheme is all different.

Gigili

Hey guys

Mitch

hey

Gigili

"There are also Churches in the neighborhood that give out food, such as St Steven’s on 13th and Clay." ->> What is the meaning of on 13th and Clay? Are them two streets that cross each other?

Robusto

1:59 AM

@Gigili That is the intersection of two streets.

Mitch

@Gigili Yes

Gigili

Thank you guys.

badass

2:17 AM

Bye

DarkHorse

@Robusto wow, I have a hats.

demongolem

How many different types of hats are out there?

badass

Infinitely many

demongolem

Cool, I am at 0% complete then

KitFox

Anybody figure out the others yet?

badass

2:35 AM

I have, but the answer involves division by zero

KitFox

Oh, but that's simple enough.

badass

If you can accept 2 = 1

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Ugh. I wrapped like four presents and I'm exhausted.

badass

If we allow division by zero, 4=0 and you have done nothing ;-)

tchrist

Back to Wheel numbers again, I see.

badass

2:44 AM

The wheel of fortune?

tchrist

Wheel theory

Wheels are a kind of algebra where division is always defined. In particular, division by zero is meaningful. The real numbers can be extended to a wheel, as can any commutative ring. Also the Riemann sphere can be extended to a wheel by adjoining an element 0/0. The Riemann sphere is an extension of the complex plane by an element \infty, where z/0=\infty for any complex z\neq 0. However, 0/0 is still undefined on the Riemann sphere, but defined in wheels. The algebra of wheels Wheels discard the usual notion of division being a binary operator, replacing it with multiplication by a...

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Oh, Fortuna.

badass

!!wiki wheel of fortune

KitSox

Wheel of Fortune (U.S. game show)

Wheel of Fortune is an American television game show created by Merv Griffin. The show features a competition in which contestants solve word puzzles, similar to those used in Hangman, to win cash and prizes determined by spinning a giant carnival wheel. The original daytime version aired on NBC from January 6, 1975 to June 30, 1989. It was on CBS from July 17, 1989 until January 11, 1991, and returned to NBC from January 14 to September 20, 1991, when it was canceled permanently. The daily syndicated version of the show premiered on September 19, 1983. The daytime version was original...

tchrist

Ken ye the rhyme to grasshopper?
Ken ye the rhyme to grasshopper?
A hempen rein, a horse o’ tree,
A psalm-book, and a Presbyter.

badass

2:51 AM

!!youtube wheel of fortune

KitSox

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TRiG

Perhaps it may be wise to ask "where does the word jism come from" so as not to invite the most literal of answers! — Ste 18 hours ago

Heh.

!!youtube Let It Go Frozen

KitSox

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TRiG

This song is currently thoroughly stuck in my head.

tchrist

It’s amazing how many downvotes asking about slang that’s considered “naughty” brought upon me.

TRiG

2:59 AM

Paying it again now on the ZTE. Enjoying the novelty of having a smartphone.

tchrist

23 hours ago, by tchrist

Either that, or they’re you’re typical anti-British types who are offended by anything which a whiff of Albion about it.

s/which/with/

Like this one, which earned two downvotes so far:

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Q: Where did the word “quim” come from?

Both the OED and Etymonline offer no clue as to origin of the slang term quim, meaning minge. The OED’s earliest citations are from the 18th, which isn’t quite as old as Adam, but has certainly been around for a long time. Here are two of its later citations: 1966 P. Willmott Adolescent Boys ...

As did its linked-to question.

It’s like I went potty in the pews during the Christmas Eve midnight mass or something.

I keep reading sodomize in this:

Hmmm. Google Books claims 796 instances of pseudonymed, as against 656 pseudonymized (plus 241 pseudonymised, presumably from lexically adventurous Brits). There are several hundred instances of synonymed too. Looks like we're in linguistic territory where people make things up as they go along. — FumbleFingers 6 hours ago

Very odd.

badass

3:18 AM

!!youtube Beethoven 5th symphony

KitSox

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tchrist

0

A: What is the meaning of 'this is not here'?

I think in terms of the literal sense, like the little boy said to Neo said in matrix "there is no spoon" to understand this you must also have an understanding of reality with-out limitations. Everything is made of atoms, 10% matter / 90% space, our reality manifest our condition to be truth, wh...

Gigili

4:17 AM

HAT: Hate All The new ideas that you come up with

There, I said it.

Hugo

5:35 AM

Anyone know the *exact* criteria for bunny ears hat?

"Mr. Binx

ask 10 questions with a score of 1 or more"

http://winterbash2013.stackexchange.com/mr-binx

I have 10 * 1+ but no bunny ears:
http://english.stackexchange.com/users/9001/hugo?tab=questions&sort=newest

ELU is 10th with 2,205 hats! Unix & Linux has 2,194. Web Applications, 2,629.

Susan

Someone was advertising free hats?

tchrist

5:51 AM

@Hugo hmmm

Hugo

@tchrist two are without answers

tchrist

Asking a lot if so.

Hard to type with cat on lap.

Eureka escapes me, to my consternation.

Hugo

just a test

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A: Winter Bash 2013: Secret Hats

They're not really all that secret if we give it all away so easily, are they? Here are some hints - if you can figure them out, you're on your way to some SECRET hats: ...then I took an arrow to the knee. Earned ten of the most meaningless points on the 'Net I live... AGAIN! He ain't no drag...

Fus Ro Dah!

hint: "...then I took an arrow to the knee." that's from Elder Scrolls, as is Fus Ro Dah

tchrist

If Puck is an honest elf, and on Midsummer's Eve the faeries cut capers in the copse, then what do we expect to see on Midwinter's Eve, trolls tra-la-la-laing on the terrace?

Hugo

Someone commented there --> "I keep seeing "FUS RO DAH" posted in comments or chats... I'm starting to wonder if commenting on this trend might lead to some new insight."

@tchrist yes. be careful out there

tchrist

6:02 AM

You mean we can't just write Elbereth on the floor anymore and be safe from trolls?

I thought we were in the ADVENT.COM season.

Hugo

depends on your latitude

tchrist

I ran out of mysteries.

Or something.

The little village of Qunu in the Eastern Cape province of South Africa, birthplace and final resting place of Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela, is in the news today. But I have heard no one on the BBC's radio services who can even attempt to pronounce the name correctly. The IPA transcription is ['k!u:nu]. That initial consonant does not sound like [k] as in a word like kudu (the [k] in the transcription merely signifies that the consonant transcribed [!] is voiceless). It is a click consonant, produced by creating a suction effect above the tongue in the roof of the mouth and then pulling the to…

Woe unto them who eschew the Oxford Comma!^^^^^^

badass

7:08 AM

Cambridge put a period above the Oxford comma; and called it a semicolon.

badass

7:24 AM

!!wiki Oxford comma

KitSox

Serial comma

In punctuation, a serial comma or series comma (also called Oxford comma and Harvard comma) is a comma placed immediately before the coordinating conjunction (usually and, or, or nor) in a series of three or more terms. For example, a list of three countries might be punctuated either as "Portugal, Spain,and France" (with the serial comma), or as "Portugal, Spainand France" (without the serial comma). Opinions among writers and editors differ on whether to use the serial comma. In American English, a majority of style guides mandate use of the serial comma, including The MLA Style Manua...

badass

Still a work in progress, since it was last modified 3 days ago.

Hugo

7:54 AM

not spotted any bunny ears on 16 pages of the leaderboard

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Q: How Do I Get the Winterbash 2013 Secret Hats?

My intention is not to spoil any of the secret hats. These are ones that anyone who looks at the leaderboard can see, and I have no intention of telling you exactly how to get any of them. However, giving people a nudge in the right direction seems to be fair game. List of Known Secret Hats:...

support winterbash-2013

Before It Was Cool

"He ain't no drag"

Come here sister.....Papa's in the swing
He ain't too hip...about that new breed babe
He ain't no drag
Papa's got a brand new [strike]bag[/strike] tag?

Eureka!

"Solve these riddles and it's yours"

This one seems to be awarded manually, allegedly

IG-88

"You may have to go to Puerto Vallarta, break the law and then fight extradition to get over this one."

IG-88 was one of the Bounty Hunters from Star Wars. Duane Chapman was a real bounty hunter who ended up arrested when pursuing a bounty.

--> so failing to get a bounty, we're quite sure of that

I'm Not Listening

"Humpty Dumpty, or perfect in every way?"

Humpty Dumpty appears in Through the Looking Glass making mistakes in English and saying, "When I use a word it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.", and Mary Poppins is "practically perfect in every way". Perhaps this is for those who don't take well to constructive criticism in some way?

-> we're ok with that

It's not known which hats these clues are for:

"You look like an absolute idiot."

Sorry, I got nothing. No idea what this is about at all.

"There are only so many people capable of putting together words that stir and move and sing. When it became possible to earn a very good living in advertising by exercising this capability, lyric poetry was left to untalented screwballs who had to shriek for attention and compete by eccentricity."

Cyril was a sci-fi writer, but I can't figure out what this has to do with anything.

"...then I took an arrow to the knee."

This is a meme from some game where a character says, "I used to be an adventurer like you, then I took an arrow to the knee". My guess is that this may be related to the Great Power badge, since those who have it used to be users just like us, but then they took an arrow diamond to the knee. But this is just supposition.

badass

8:11 AM

Hmm...interesting. Thanks for sharing.

Hugo

is there any way to see who's following a tag? you can see the total

badass

Dunno.

Ste

9:11 AM

Morning, all. Somebody star me up for a warm hat please!

!!youtube Start me Up

KitSox

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Ste

:o)

That's all well and good but I need a message starred in chat!

2

Enjoy your hat :)

Wooo! Thanks guys.

np

9:26 AM

morning @JasperLoy

Jasper Loy

@MattЭллен Hi! I am no longer bothered by the problem I talked about last week, but now I am reminded of another problem, sigh.

Matt Эллен

@JasperLoy oh. well, one down, one to go, eh?

Ste

Anyone else need the winter is coming hat?

Jasper Loy

@MattЭллен Yes, as with all these "problems", I am not sure whether I can overcome or not. It's very scary.

Ste

Shout up if you need a starred chat message for the Winter hat and we can duly oblige!

2

Somebody star that so people can get involved.

Jasper Loy

9:28 AM

I see @ste is very enthusiastic about hats!

Ste

I am!

Matt Эллен

@JasperLoy You'll find a way. You're resourceful like that

Ste

I am second in the overall network leaderboard

tylerharms

@Ste: I never got the marauder hat during the whole "what is a marauder" debate.

Ste

I am going to spend 5 hours on a train tomorrow collecting hats.

Jasper Loy

9:29 AM

@Ste That's a long journey.

Ste

@tylerharms - add an answer to one of my questions and I'll temporarily move the check to you.

@JasperLoy - Yeah, Berkshire to Sunderland. It's a fortnightly event too. :(

tylerharms

@Ste: I've got one on the marauder question. Can you switch it there?

Anonymous

@Ste I don't have any starred messages. I do have a baby snail, though, who is eating a slice of carrot:

Anonymous

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Ste

@snailboat - you now have a starred baby snail. Stand by for your hat.

@tylerharms - no, I'm afraid - we worked out that the answer needed to be added after the answer was accepted.

tylerharms

9:46 AM

@Ste New answer to the marauder question.

Ste

@Tylerharms - Stand by for hattage!

RegDwigнt

@AmericanLuke aww, really? Thank you very much!

Hugo

@AmericanLuke you've got the Eureka hat! Do you know how you got it, any tips?

Ste

Morning, @Hugo

Yeah @AmericanLuke - I want that one!

badass

!!wiki eureka

KitSox

9:56 AM

Eureka

Eureka may refer to: * Eureka (word), a famous exclamation attributed to Archimedes * Eureka effect, the sudden, unexpected realization of the solution to a problem In historical * Eureka (ferryboat), an 1890-built steam ferryboat now preserved in San Francisco * Eureka, Arizona, late 19th century ghost town 30 miles north of Yuma on the Colorado River * Eureka Stockade, an 1854 goldminers' rebellion in Ballarat, Victoria, Australia ** Eureka Flag, battle flag of the Eureka Stockade rebellion ** Eureka Jack, Union Jack reportedly flown by the insurgents at the Battle of the Eureka S...

Hugo

@Ste morning! any new hat discoveries?

Ste

@Hugo - not yet. I'm touting for hats in other chats at the minute. I need to focus on the secret hats at some point.

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