@Nll Hi there, you asked over on Academia.SE which journals to aim for, in your field of Renewable Energy. It would depend to some degree on whether you were writing about the policy, engineering, economics, implementation, or other aspect of renewable energy; and whether this was a review paper or primary research. If you can let us know the answer to that, I'll suggest some journals.
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@Nll Hi there - what sort of paper are you writing - the one you're wondering which journal to pick? policy, engineering, economics, implementation, or other?
I don't have experience of IEEE Proceedings ... papers; I expect it varies by series. Do you have an editorial contact? A particular person who you liased with during the conference submission process?
yes I contacted the responsible of conference and he say that we should wait, they took time, now I guess three months and I don't know how much need to see my paper online
I have an accepted paper in TrustCom 2014. The conference was held several months ago. However I could not find any information regarding the proceedings. They do not answer email. Is it normal? In general, how long after a conference are proceedings published?
yes that's what I'm talking about, I read the topic but I'm not sure to use it, becase In the conference rules they say that the papers particpated in the conference are not automatically accepted in ieee?! and really I don't understand this remark..
It sounds like you need to read the rules and guidance very carefully, and compare it with the communications you've received from the conference organiser and IEEE. From what you've described, some participating papers are accepted to the proceedings, and some are not. And you're not sure whether you've been accepted into the proceedings or not. If your conference liaison has said to wait, then that's all you can do.
Meanwhile, just get on with writing the next paper: you can always amend the reference late in the day if you need to.
Ok I see and I agree, I should wait, anyway in a conference if you have accepted for poster that mean no publication but if it's for a presentation( my case) so it's will be accpted as a publication but I have to wait to use the real reference...
the second question, to find a good international journal is not a big issue, so I wish to publish my next paper trough elsevier and I'm not living in europe, the question is the cost to publish my paper on elsevier, I found a list of prices in the elsevier site but I don't find the real price, I know only it's very expensive over than 1000$?!
@Nll It depends whether you want open-access or not. It varies by journal. And there are usually options to waive or reduce the fee for people from developing countries, students, and so on.
You can choose to pay no fee. So publishing there is free. In that case, only people with a subscription will be able to read your article in its final published version.
Or you can pay a fee for publishing, and everyone would be able to read the final published article for free.
Your funder or university may have a preference, or even rules, about whether you can or must choose the open-access version where you, the author, has to pay.
The information about fees is usually in a document called something like "Guide for Authors". For your target journal, that document is linked to from the journal's home page, as it usually is.
@Nll Well, publishing costs money. So someone's got to pay. Usually, it's the readers. Sometimes it's the writers. Sometimes, universities or professional institutions sponsor the publishing, so the people paying are the fee-paying students, or the institutions' members.
Is it necessary for your article to be open source? Are there rules against you publishing in a subscription journal?
if I publish in non-open access I'll not pay anything but who will want to read mine will pay for, also in elsevier is I publish a paper for non-access I'll have copyright that mean is my own paper?
@Nll If you publish non-open-access, you won't have to pay anything. Anyone with a subscription to the journal will be able to read it - so any member of any university that has a subscription, will be able to read it. And anyone else can pay a small fee to Elsevier to read your individual article.
However, you will have to transfer copyright to Elsevier.
For open-access, sometimes you have to transfer copyright; sometimes you do not.
@Nll They will own the copyright, and be the sole publishers of it. You will have a set of specific rights: you will be able to reuse images from the paper; you will be able to send electronic copies to people if they request them directly from you. You may be able to archive a pre-publication version of the paper in a preprint archive or your university server - check the guide for authors.
the next question is about the order of authors in a paper, I found a lot of topics here in relationship with this issue but I don't find my specific question there?
@Nll There is no single answer. It varies hugely by field. For some fields, it's always alphabetic. For some fields, it signals the amount of contribution (first author did most research; or first author did most writing). For some fields, being the last author indicates that that person is the head of the department. Ask your colleagues what the convention is for your particular area. It's probably first author = most writing.
even colleagues don't have a specific answer,for example I do most work of a paper, I should write my name first then(no relation with aphabetic) the name of professor or advisor or the name of professor first and what the effect between the 2 cases please be specific in this point it's very important for me
@Nll Do discuss it with your coauthors. In my field, the person who does the most writing has their name first. Then in descending order of contributions. Last is the name of the head of department. But whatever you do, always check with every author you name.
by another way for example, I do the most work in a paper but one of co-authors will pay fees to publish and we put his name first so who will be the owner of the paper and the paper will cited by wish name in the future or ?
@Nll Most open-access publishing still involves transferring copyright to the publisher.
If you don't transfer copyright, then it will, as I understand it, be jointly owned by the authors. However, your employer may have a clause in your contract saying that all copyrights belong to them. Your local laws may affect this.
@Nll The paper will be cited according to the style of the journal where the citing paper is published. This always includes first author. It may include second and third author too.
So let's take a paper with three authors. Sometimes you'll see: "Smith et al". Sometimes, "Smith, Zhang et al". And sometimes "Smith, Zhang and Watanabe".
I don't get you, maybe for example in this paper we invent something and the idea can sell it to make it real that mean idea for a project of invention,who will have the copyright to commercialize it?
@Nll Ah, that's completely separate. That's a different kind of Intellectual Property. The copyright of the paper covers the text and images in the paper. Not the ideas, or any inventions.
@Nll The ownership of the intellectual property of an invention is a completely separate thing. For that, you need to talk to a specialist in patents. Your university library will be able to answer your questions about that.
@Nll Yes, ideas in papers can be commercialised. But the rules governing ownership are separate. If an idea is published in a paper, that can affect whether a patent is awarded or not, if the paper is published before a patent application is filed.
So if you have an invention that could be commercialised, talk to the intellectual property specialists in your university. The library should be able to help. And the university may have a team dedicated to commercialising technology that is a result of university research.
Do this before submitting a paper on the invention.
And check your employment contract: some employment contracts state that any inventions you make while you are an employee, belong to your employer. Some say that you share ownership with your employer. Some say that you own them competely yourself. Some don't mention it at all, and then you will have to look at what your country's laws say.
Authors on papers just mean that they take responsibility for the words and images in that paper. In some fields, but not all, it also means that each of them did some of the research too.
ok s finally order of name in a paper have no effect,but it's not good when someone do a most of work and they don't have any advantage in the published paper...
Having your name on a paper can help establish precedence, which is important when determining who owns an invention. But it depends on local laws and a lot of other factors.
@Nll You're welcome. Normally, first author is the one who wrote the most. But it might be the one who did more of the reported research than anyone else. Each field has its etiquette and rules.
@EnergyNumbers ok my next question, it's about the rejected paper, for example if I publish my paper using elsevier,if the paper will not be accepted, what I can do in this case, that mean I'll never be able to publish again trough elsevier or just I should make a lot of changes to increase the level of paper and I try again?
@Nll Different journals have different editorial boards. So just because one Elsevier journal rejects you, doesn't mean anything about what another Elesevier journal might do.
Sometimes, if a journal rejects you because it's not within they're scope, they'll recommend a different journal.
But if it's about the quality of the paper, then normally you'd go back, fix the problems, and submit to a different journal. That might be with Elesevier, and it might be with some other publisher.
ok now is ok,I guess it's done here just a final remark for example if I do a paper but a coauthor will pay fee to publish it and of course his name will be the first , so they are no effect the order of name in this paper in this case?!
I have an accepted paper in TrustCom 2014. The conference was held several months ago. However I could not find any information regarding the proceedings. They do not answer email. Is it normal? In general, how long after a conference are proceedings published?
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