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12:03 AM
@ACuriousMind Crap, I proved the Mellin trafo myself -- it's not the problem.
 
@0celo7 You are really now at points where I can't reliably help you
 
@ACuriousMind I just need to ramble
 
@0celo7 :)
 
@ACuriousMind The problem is I don't know where the erratum is. Is it in the problem or the solution?
(rhetorical)
 
12:29 AM
@ACuriousMind 83 pages left.
"In this section we present the physicist's proof of the index theorem in its simplest setting"
So...a lot of hand waving?
Or we do it in 2 dimensions and assume it holds for all others?
 
My guess would be the Fujikawa approach to the chiral anomaly (this is the setting I first encountered Atiyah-Singer in), but I don't know, really
 
@ACuriousMind Apparently it's a SUSY proof.
No clue what that has to do with a pure math proof though.
 
Well, "simplest" is relative :P
 
Will deliver a report shortly.
Either that or cry, who knows.
@ACuriousMind Oh crap, Grassmann-valued forms. Too many signs.
 
@0celo7 lol...I feel your pain. Every time I see "superbracket" or something like that, I just believe it :P
 
12:48 AM
@ACuriousMind Oh. My. God. I think there's a typo in one equation and the check is to calculate a supersymmetric Poisson bracket by hand.
YOLO, this is too complicated.
@ACuriousMind Exercise 12.8 Show that $$\delta x_j=[x_j,\epsilon Q]$$$$\delta\psi_j=\{\psi_j,\epsilon Q\}$$
Nice try Nakahara. This guy's a troll.
 
1:12 AM
@Marcel I've said what I want and be aware that utilitarian arguments are of no interest to me.
@ACuriousMind Why would I acknowledge a fiction? There is an objective conception of justice and it is waiting for you to discover it.
 
@AlfredCentauri: than what else is your argument?
 
@Marcel I've stated a fact and that is that; social justice is an anti-concept.
 
@AlfredCentauri sorry, i missed that. which fact?
 
@Marcel social justice is an anti-concept.
 
@AlfredCentauri ah I see, yes I agree
fact is fact right?
 
1:21 AM
@Marcel A is A
 
you repeat yourself
 
 
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2:41 AM
@ACuriousMind I just realized I've never verified that the Dirac Lagrangian has classical chiral symmetry. We make the substitutions $\psi\rightarrow \mathrm{e}^{\mathrm{i}\gamma^5\alpha}\psi(x)$ into the Lagrangian. So how does $\bar\psi$ transform and once I have that and plug it into the Lagrangian, how do I deal with the gamma matrices in the Dirac operator?
@ACuriousMind Ignore that, I figured it out.
 
 
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6:36 AM
@yuggib - It caught my attention while setting my username. I thought I should invert my real name and use that as a username, but then decided against it, thinking that I shouldn't underestimate people's intelligence!
Scrolled through the user tab to check if anybody did use an inverted username. Yours was a candidate :P
I used my guess while suggesting a username for Jim, but though it is best to confirm!
 
@NeuroFuzzy dude, I got Far Cry 3. Its awesome!
I got 3 games for 25 bucks
 
anyone know matlab?
 
 
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8:04 AM
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Q: About Physics and philosophy

Constantine BlackI would like to ask if there is a room for questions regarding physics and philosophy: 1) On an epistemological basis 2) On a purely philosophical basis, that is, questions about the connection of physics with philosophical thinking(for example a question about consciousness and Martin Heidegge...

 
 
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9:17 AM
@usukidoll What's the problem?
 
I'm trying to replicate a graph for a paper
and it's driving me nuts ... x.x
so I was working on the text and flowcharts instead
 
Ok
 
alright so I'm trying to replicate a latent infection graph which I almost got it but somehow ... I don't understand why the zombies go flat when they are supposed to increase
 
So you're solving a system of DEs?
 
yeah from the when zombies attack
 
9:22 AM
Did you use one of the solvers inside matlab or did you write your own?
 
hmm all the edits are mine... but the base code is the author.. I have a paper project that is about replicating the graphs and then writing it in my own words.
second part after and then is easy
replicating... ugh! I'm so close!
mysite.science.uottawa.ca/rsmith43/zombies.pdf it's the model on page 8. Mine is similar but for the zombie area it's stuck at one area
 
Ok. so when you just copypaste the matlab code, it doesn't work or what is the problem
 
oh the matlab code for the basic model works... but I am altering it to include the latent infection equation
because it was easy... just add rho and some conditions here and there
... wahhh I can't upload an image here?
ok there... yes I know the title is wrong on the graph... I was reading the wrong label but the graph is almost similar to the paper but ... a. mine is narrower.. b. why is the zombies at a constant after the time is 10? The zombies should go UP!
the humans going from up to down is correct but the zombie part is up to constant which should be up all the way
 
well first of all you seem to be missing the delta term from s
and the I term from Z
 
delta term from s? you mean from the susceptible ode and the i term from the zombie ode right
 
9:32 AM
if im looking at the SIZR model on the paper, your equations dont seem to match
i didnt read the entire paper to check what each term means
but your equations are not the same as the SIZR model from i see
 
in the paper the pi and the delta were set to 0
so which equations were really modeled? the original or after the fact that we set pi=0=delta
 
fine, but in your run you don't, and some of the equations do carry the delta term while others don't
even with that in mind, your Z term seems wrong
 
so I have to input the original equations?
oh wait not the first equation though...but the rest do carry the delta
 
b*s(i)*z(i) should be rho*l(i)
on your z(i+1)line
 
s(i+1) = s(i) + dt*(-b*s(i)*z(i)-d*s(i)); %here we assume birth rate
%= background deathrate, so only term is -b term
l(i+1) = l(i) + dt*(b*s(i)*z(i)-rho*l(i)-d*l(i));
z(i+1) = z(i) + dt*(rho*l(i)+ze*r(i) -a*s(i)*z(i) );
r(i+1) = r(i) + dt*(d*s(i)+d*l(i)+a*s(i)*z(i) - ze*r(i));
do I remove the delta on the first equation and keep delta on the remaining equations
 
9:37 AM
why would you do that?
 
hmm because on the basic model the delta on the first equation was removed , yet the deltas remained everywhere else
well I did put the deltas back and I get the basic model all over again
 
well, as i said, i haven't read the whole paper, but the delta there just moves S to R at the rate delta
 
which is something I already have seen through with the first zombie code
hmm...
when I put all of those into my code and ran it, nothing happened. I just get the two lines
 
well there are only two plot commands if that's what you mean
 
yeah
one red and one blue
so when I restored everything.. which means put the delta back into the equations I got the basic model again.
 
9:42 AM
again, i don't understand what the problem you're having is
 
I'm trying to replicate the latent infection model
 
which is the basic equation? the one without L?
 
yeah
and I already got that graph to work
model rather x.x
 
if you have L in, your model shouldn't be the same
 
so the first zombies code with the original data has already been tackled and I do see the two lines red for zombie on the bottom and blue for human which was SZR
but now I want to include the I so it's SIZR... but of course I have to put l(i) because i(i) crashes everything
what I'm doing is modifying the original code to include the infection ode and introducing rho
 
9:44 AM
right
you already seem to have it now, and the results should be different
 
but by doing that I am also introducing something like

if l(i) <0 || l(i) >N
break
end
which are conditions
 
ok
 
my prof told me that if s(i) < 0 there are no humans. and if z(i) < 0 there are no zombies... so z(i) > N which N =500 in the code means that the zombies are greater than 500
 
right
 
on the paper, the infection model is all humans are defeated and they become zombies
 
9:46 AM
right
but this all is very parameter dependent
 
so obviously the l(i) > N will work because infection > 500 zombies of course because increased army of zombies... but wait if l(i) < 0 the infection isn't present and there's a fixed number of zombies.. . or humans are still living
sdfjasdlkfj parameter dependent?
 
i still don't really understand what your problem is
 
my problem is how do I make my model similar to the paper if ... something is jamming up...because the basic model was easy
so I introduce the l infection ode and all sorts of stuff happens like if the condition is wrong, then your graph will be useless...
 
so what is jamming up?
 
my graph .. at least the zombie part on the right is constant after time 10
but I think ... if I slowly change the ode to the right ones, I might get that fixed.. I just saw it inch up a bit
 
9:51 AM
it probably is supposed to be a constant after time 10
 
what do you mean constant after time 10? how can that be when the author had zombies going all the way up after time 3?
hmm I know this... anything on t=10 won't allow me to view the model well
so it has to be t >10
hmm I think that guy who wrote the odes typoed...
z(i+1) = z(i) + dt*(rho*l(i) +ze*r(i)+ a*s(i)*z(i) );
gives me something
z(i+1) = z(i) + dt*(rho*l(i) +ze*r(i)-a*s(i)*z(i) );
nothing happens
 
the signs have to match the other equations
 
hmm ....
umm do you know what pi is in matlab . maybe I have to include that one too
on the first equation there was pi-bsz-ds so maybe I need to put pi in the code too
anyway I'm going to bed and continue working on it tomorrow after I finish studying for another class...night
 
10:15 AM
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Q: Can I ask a question that is supplementary to another's users question?

Constantine BlackI have found this question about potential energy What is potential energy truly?. I can not make comments. Can I ask a question supplementary to this question? Thank you.

 
 
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11:43 AM
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Q: Historical Survey of Statistical Mechanics

tomStatistical mechanics is a subject with a particularly rich history. I think of the early debates of Boltzmann and Loschmidt, the rather confusing differences between the approaches of Gibbs and Boltzmann, the philosophical efforts of E.T. Jaynes to phrase entropy in terms of information theory, ...

thoughts on whether this is on topic for us?
 
@DavidZ I think it's a valid resource-recommendation question here.
Holy...15 things in the close queue :/
 
22 mod flags as well
(or, there were before I started working on them)
That's gotta be close to a record
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Q: 2600mAh Battery Charging Time

user1864155I've spent a very long time trying to work this out, but some websites seem to conflict the information - or I'm completely missing the point. I have a rechargeable battery: 2600mAh 4.2V max charge voltage 9.62Wh energy It is to charge from a vehicle 12V or 24V (battery runs through a circuit b...

another one to consider for off-topicness
 
12:01 PM
@DavidZ Off-topic as engineering, imo.
 
Reasonable; if a couple more people think the same I'll close or migrate it
 
12:15 PM
Aaaaand I'm out of close votes. Hasn't happened that early in a long time I think.
 
@Marcel mods are already looking into it
@ACuriousMind at times like this I really wish I had normal nonbinding close votes
 
@DavidZ Do you have unlimited binding votes, or also only 24?
 
1:17 PM
I think it's unlimited, but I'm also not sure I've ever closed 24 questions in 24 hours
 
1:28 PM
Customary posting of the day - #20FPR :: V ::
@DavidZ Yeah we have had a flood of bad questions today.
 
Hooray! My first visit from the troll!
In another question sobebody has indirectly refuted this post, saying that since the lever formula applies here ($F_a*d_A = F_b*d_b$) the same force/energy is needed at the end of the door (say 1 m from the hinge) and at 0.0001m from the hinge. At the hinge the door does not move, but the increase of force/energy is not progressive as you move toward the end, the change is abrupt. How does one falsify that? What type of lever is that? — svetlana 9 hours ago
 
@DavidZ : It seems off-topic, e.g. for being homework-like or engineering.
 
By the way, the mods must have taken out one of the sock puppets because I found one of my lost socks
 
@ACuriousJim They are trying to play us against each other :)
 
@ACuriousMind Serious? I simply answered with "I don't have to respond, my answer stands"
Way to fail, troll
 
1:33 PM
@ACuriousJim Yes, because that someone is me, and they sneakily snuck that energy after force in there to make it sound as if I disagree with you
 
my answer didn't even mention energy
 
Exactly, and the other question is about energy
 
so it doesn't apply as a refutation
 
Exactly
 
Even then, I'm sure we'd both be right
I trust both of us to know a thing or two about rotating bodies
I read the comment and went "Okay, someone disagree in an irrelevant way. Great. I'm not playing their game"
Again: Way to fail, troll
 
1:37 PM
I'll point out that it is possible to view the conversations of this chatroom without appearing on the right pane.
Shhh ...
 
@TheDarkSide And why exactly would we care? :P
Also, props for getting right right ;)
 
@ACuriousMind maybe we shouldn't, but feedback may alter the regular course of their actions. Just observe the game.
@ACuriousMind Yeah, that's why I italicized!
 
@TheDarkSide I like playing the game. It's fun sometimes. The only way to beat a troll is to have fun with their own game
 
Yes, ^ that
 
1:45 PM
(Not really relevant, but somehow that sentence reminded me of my childhood) :P
Bye guys :)
 
A lot of trolls in your childhood?
dang, now I won't get my answer
Lol:
@ACuriousJim, Thanks,. .I am playing no game, unfortunately I am fighting for survival. But, are you sure you are referring to the right post? it's no post, it's a comment by DavidZ, and it is bang against your conclusion here. I quoted you, but so far nobody was impressed. Only ja72 gave me a helping hand. If you do not want to openly contradict your friends, you might at least tell that/if my post is flawless. Thanks anyway — svetlana 3 mins ago
I told him to step up his game, clearly he's trying
 
@ACuriousJim I think terry might have accidentally posted as svetlana there :D
Also, "fighting for survival"...interesting choice of words
 
yes, I thought so too
He says he quoted me, but I see no such quote
 
@ACuriousJim The quote (link to you, rather) is in this post.
Which has nothing to do with the post David commented on^^
It seems the troll has an identity crisis.
 
2:02 PM
Wow! He's encouraging people to refute my post because he misunderstood my explanation
At least, I hope it's a misunderstanding, but it's more likely just shit-disturbing
Wow, I'll bet he thought he had me with that last one. No dice. I let him get close and then pull away. It's like fishing
Give 'em some slack, then reel them in
OK, thanks, I'll delete my comments, since I have quoted this post lots of people are coming. Thanks again, I regret that reading my post you got the impression I am sstirring trouble — svetlana 33 secs ago
So yeah. That's like saying "Well, I've made sure people come here to argue with you, so I'll delete the evidence of my manipulations and deny them"
 
2:24 PM
Did you guys hear quantum gravity is in trouble?
 
@ACuriousJim No, how so?
 
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Q: The structure of spacetime and entanglement

Haolin LuI heard quantum gravity was now in trouble. What is happening? How to apply long-range real particles entangment to virtual pairs and hawking radiation?

Caught me by surprise too
 
2:40 PM
@ACuriousMind The SUSY proof of the index theorem is...interesting. The goal is to put the index in the form $\operatorname{Tr} \mathrm{e}^{-\beta H}$, and express it as a Euclidean supersymmetric path integral. This integral is then evaluated in the steepest descent approximation. (I didn't work out all the details, the proof is over 10 pages long.)
 
@ACuriousJim I see
 
3:09 PM
boring day today.
 
I'd read the last two if I had the time.
 
I don't have time.
I know poisson btw, he lectured at perimeter and uoft before.
 
cool
 
I would read the third one if I had time.
 
Nope
I'm gonna fail E&M in college now
 
3:14 PM
:D
 
I refuse to learn it
 
I still cannot understand why you're not studying physics at university.
 
I can certainly get a graduate degree in physics.
I want to have a real job though. Nuclear engineers are highly employable.
 
@0celo7 That's why I did my undergrad in engineering and my grad in physics. Too bad I chose the engineering with no jobs in it
2
 
@0celo7 You can't be a nuclear engineer that is a part time theoretical physicist.
You mentioned this yourself, "You seem to think everyone needs to and is capable of knowing everything. That's simply not true."
 
3:24 PM
@Icosahedron I don't even want to be a theoretical physicist.
I have that option though.
 
o/
 
_____
 
@Danu Hi
Bad Chrome.
 
@ACuriousMind My degree even has the word "elite" appended, haha
 
@Danu Elite mathematical and theoretical physics?
 
3:32 PM
@Icosahedron No, not at all
@0celo7 and theoretical physics, too
 
@Danu Lol really?
 
Yeah
 
@Danu That Cambridge QCD book looks horribly complicated. The math looks fine, but god damn those equations.
 
@Danu 1337D4nU
 
@Icosahedron I prefer xXxNoSc0p3D4nu1337m4st3r123xXx
@0celo7 You mean the one by Ioffe et al?
 
3:40 PM
@Danu Yeah, crap like this i.gyazo.com/eae7c2074f92f85ed2196282e4854d45.png really deters me from reading a book
 
@0celo7 Have you ever calculated a cross-section?
 
@Danu One
:P
@Danu The point is that a good portion of the book is like that...is it a cross-section fest?
 
It's called QFT
 
@Danu Sad, but true :D
 
3:46 PM
Yup, that looks like QFT to me
 
These calculations are worse than Weinberg.
@Danu Is there anything special about Cheng Relativity, gravitation, and cosmology; A basic introduction?
 
No idea... don't ask me?
@AlfredCentauri Lol, that sounds similar to religious fanatism
"There is one true God and he's waiting for you to discover him!" :D
 
4:02 PM
@Danu The only other people I've heard claim that there is only one objective concept of justice are very religious, so maybe that's why it sounds so similar?
 
Yeah, I guess :P
It seems impossible to defend
 
Frankly, until we discover a law of nature that dictates what the true justice of a situation is, it'll have to be defined by the collective body of people that enforce justice, which by definition makes it subjective and not objective. However, I suspect that nature doesn't care about or event have a concept of justice. So there may be no natural, non-society-defined concept of justice.
 
[obviously]
 
^ that
Unless he meant a supernatural law defining the concept of justice. But damn it man, I'm a doctor physicist, not a theologist. I spend my life discovering the natural world, so that's what I'm sticking to unless shown otherwise.
 
Part of being a physicist is being an armchair theologist
or philosopher
or, heck, armchair engineer
 
4:17 PM
Yeah exactly, the point of that xkcd being we don't have any right to talk about that stuff!
 
I always figured the point of the XKCD was that we talk about it anyway
 
Anyways, the xkcd is not really all that relevant to the current situation :p
 
You're both right
 
oh that's interesting, it doesn't onebox https links apparently
 
 
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5:43 PM
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A: Double slit experiment in the Heisenberg picture

Luboš MotlTry to read http://motls.blogspot.com/2015/04/double-slit-experiment-in-heisenberg.html?m=1 for my treatment of the double slit experiment in the Heisenberg picture.

So..... Link-only answer?
 
@ACuriousJim Looks like it :P
 
It feels wrong to flag Lubos. But Lubos also usually gives long and thorough answers.
Nobody is above the policy
 
5:56 PM
[except me]
 
@ACuriousJim "it'll have to be defined by the collective body of people that enforce justice" Let's put that to the test. A collective body of people decide that punishing the innocent is 'justice'. On your view, that would be legitimate. On my view, such 'justice' is objectively unjust.
 
@AlfredCentauri you defined "innocent" so you are part of your view on justice. this is just as subjective as everything else
 
@AlfredCentauri You are putting words in my mouth in an attempt to make my argument seem ridiculous. If the society in question views the specific case of punishing those it deems innocent as justice, then that is what is just to them. I am from a society that does not deem this just. To me, that would be unjust.
That shows how the nature of justice is subjective. They think it is just, we think it is not
I may think a painting is beautiful, you may think it is hideous. It is subjective.
Unless there is a systematic way described through the laws of nature that can determine what is just, then the very fact that we can disagree on what is just means that is must be subjective
Now, if I said the moon didn't exist, you could point me to it and say it did. If I said putting hot air in a balloon would make it fall, you could show me the natural laws that say it must rise. But there is no natural system, law, or object that can be shown that dictates any objective justice. It is defined by the people. Just because you are appalled by the justice another society has defined doesn't mean yours is objectively correct. It literally means it is subjectively correct
 
@ACuriousJim punishing the innocent is objectively unjust. To suggest otherwise by, for example, using 'art is in the eye of the beholder', is beyond the pale.
 
Not objectively unjust, unjust in our system. That's subjectively unjust
It's clearly not unjust in all systems if that hypothetical one feels it is just. And without any irrefutable reason from nature to classify them as outright wrong, that means even if we find it terrible, it's still just to them. So justice can't be objective
For instance, in that system, they may believe that if you kill someone, their loved ones get to kill one of your loved ones to inflict the same pain on you as you on them. To us, that is vengeance, not justice. But to them, it is justice. Pain in equal measure would be their justice. It seems wrong to us, so we tend to then say it is wrong no matter what, but it is only wrong to us, not to them. That makes it subjective. There is no scientific reason to claim it is wrong according to nature.
It's wrong to us, it's right to them. That is, by definition, subjective
And it's arrogant of us to assume that just because we think it's wrong, that makes it wrong
 
6:20 PM
@ACuriousJim A system of 'justice' that punishes the innocent is not a system of justice in fact but a corruption of it.
 
Maybe in our eyes, but that doesn't make justice objective. That enforces its subjective nature
If it is truly a fact and it is objective, then there must be some natural process that determines the justice of a situation. There must be a physical set of laws and interactions that determines justice. Something that is not a part of any of the societies out there. If not, then it is dependant on how societies define it. If so, point me to it. If I am right now saying the Moon does not exist, then show me the Moon that I may see my error with my own eyes.
 
@ACuriousJim There's no maybe to it, it is. To believe that justice is subjective is to have misidentified justice in fact.
 
Show me that the universe dictates what is just and not the people that live in it
 
@ACuriousJim i see you've discovered moral relativism. alfred, i find your position untenable - the concept of justice varies between cultures and throughout ages, does it not?
 
@AlfredCentauri What is your definition of justice?
 
6:30 PM
I say the universe doesn't care what we do. Our sense of morality; of right and wrong; of justice are all creations of our minds in an effort to coexist in a mutually beneficial way with others in our societies. As such, that necessitates that justice be dependant on what the society deems to be mutually beneficial behaviour. Thus, justice, which usually ensures said behaviour, must be subjective along with that. It must fit the needs of the people that use it
Even saying it tries to ensure mutually beneficial behaviour is subjective to us. A civilization that thrives more on mutually detrimental behaviour (I know not how), must have a different system of justice. It cannot be and is not an objective concept
 
Though having recognized a spectrum of ideas about justice, we're still to decide whether to tolerate that spectrum, or whether to insist upon some normative ideal of justice, to which every society ought to adhere. The latter is the position of e.g. the Pope.

@acuriousjim I don't think societies "chose" their values or ethics. I'd say the structure of the economic relations in a society determines the laws, ethics, morality, justice, culture etc (i.e. superstructure).
 
@innisfree Maybe not "choose" explicitly. But usually it evolves over time due to the needs and trends of the people. Nobody sits down and says "this will be justice for us", but through its own natural tendencies and cultural quirks, each society chooses
 
@innisfree the concept of justice varies between cultures and throughout ages of course, but this doesn't suggest that justice is subjective in fact. Our conception of gravity has changed over time but the actual nature of gravity hasn't.
@ACuriousMind Wow, that might take a while. I'll start with this and then I have to go work in the yard the rest of the afternoon. First, one must recognize this essential fact: *"every living human being is an end in him/herself, not the means to the ends or the welfare of others...".
 
@AlfredCentauri Then show us the laws of nature that dictate justice. Nature dictates gravity and its effects. Thus, it is possible to be wrong about how we define gravity. If nature dictates justice, I will concede and forever admit justice is objective. But you need to show one scrap of evidence at very least that nature is what dictates justice
Does a photon get justice for losing its entangled partner?
Or is it just those with a consciousness that are subject to justice?
 
@AlfredCentauri Ah, a Kantian. ;)
 
6:44 PM
If so, then that right there is a red flag that waves and shouts "Hey, it just may have something to do with the mind of those subject to justice" and "Maybe we should look for what defines it there and not elsewhere"
 
@acuriousjim hmm justice and laws evolve to the needs of *some* people, usually a dominant ruling class, which is why you get copyright law here, sweatshops there, and epidemics of curable diseases somewhere else etc.

i don't think there is a normative idea of justice (be it from science or god). we're free to choose (individually), but of course are choices are probably shaped by our own experiences. my feelings about justice would differ if I'd been born a king or a pauper.
 
@innisfree Yes, that is very true. But no matter who benefits, I'll wager the majority of the population accept their justice as just. Whenever they don't, you find uprisings and revolutions. Major changes to address injustices
 
i think that's a bit simplistic and panglossian. i think their are billions of powerless, helpless people who are desperate to improve their lives and don't think their lot is just at all. here's 400 of them bbc.com/news/world-africa-32311358
 
@innisfree change doesn't happen immediately. I'm sure there are many people who believe their lot unjust. When it becomes a majority of the society and with a smattering of time, change happens. And there will always be some that think their society is unjust
I believe they are called trolls
 
6:59 PM
@ACuriousJim Just being the majority and believing your lot is unjust isn't enough. You must also believe you have the power to change things...and actually have the power to change things.
 
i just don't think that's true though; you seem to be assume that everybody has equal power - "when it becomes a majority...", that's just not the case though. economic, military, intellectual/media/cultural power is concentrated in the hands of a tiny minority.
 
That's true, thus the time it takes. Power to change is often held in the hands of a minority. Hell, look how long it took to oust the suppressive autocracies across the globe.
 
you still seem to be presenting a fairly Whiggish view - history is going to be a gradually triumph, a march towards liberalism and prosperity, look how far we've come! - whereas to me that's just not the case. some things are getting better, but some worse. it's not clear to me that ethically, we're improving much at all, and if we are, it's fairy steps, when what we need is great running leaps
 
@innisfree What, no. I don't make any predictions. I just think it evolves. I think it will change, I don't know how. Sorry if I gave the wrong impression. I'm not one to make predictions without hard evidence. Morality is like language and biology; it evolves and changes with time, but there's no telling what will happen, what is right or wrong, and what it means for us
Besides, whatever it ends up as, I'm sure somebody will think it was a progression of improvements and somebody will think the opposite
On a different note, I have a mystery I can't figure out
An hour ago, I had 13766 rep. Now I have 13764. I did no downvoting, my rep-o-meter hasn't logged any downvotes on my posts, there was no user removed
what happened to the 2 rep?
 
Has anyone ever heard of the Pauli principle being referred to as "Fault's exclusion principle?"?
 
7:13 PM
is that a slight against Pauli?
 
nope
 
No, it's what Dirac uses in his famous monopole paper.
This may be a good question for "my" SE :P
 
well google comes up with nothing. Probably a typo
 
@AlfredCentauri As has been pointed out already, the main point is that innocence is a subjective thing.
 
It's a error in automatic book scanning software
 
7:16 PM
@innisfree Interesting theory!
 
search google books for "Fault's exclusion principle" you'll get results
and when you read them, they are all actually Pauli's
 
mystery solved
 
Well done, wish I could +1! ;)
 
now about my missing 2 rep? It baffles me where they went
 
@danu why can't you search google books!?
 
7:18 PM
@innisfree I can, it just didn't occur to me that this could possibly be a scanning error
 
oh i see. i guess the scanning software has some algorithm for deciding whether an unrecognised word is a proper noun it doesn't know or an incorrectly scanned word, to be replaced with a close match in the dictionary. and it gets Pauli wrong
 
I assumed it was just some other physicist that was forgotten later.
 
7:35 PM
@ACuriousJim Trolls got them ;)
Just like your socks
@Danu So, that physicist would then always have used Faulty reasoning? :)
 
7:51 PM
@ACuriousMind I knew putting my rep through the dryer was a bad idea. Curse you, trolls!
 
8:04 PM
@ACuriousJim perhaps someone reversed a downvote against you? That's all else I can think of
 
@DavidZ Then I would gain 2, but I lost 2
And it would say "undownvote" in my rep logs
 
Oh, right. Huh.
 
It's a mystery, for sure
makes me wonder how often this kind of thing happens
 
Maybe someone reversed a downvote for the moment you checked your rep, and then put it back immediately afterwards :-P
 
No, my rep has ended in a 6 for the last week about
But still, I might not have noticed if I hadn't had meta and main site open at the same time and refreshed the main site to see it was off by 2 points from what meta said
 
8:08 PM
I don't keep track of what exactly shows up in the rep notification and what doesn't, but I can't think of anything that would cause a loss of 2 rep without you doing something and wouldn't show up in the notifications
 
That's why I asked here. I can't think of anything either
I don't care about the rep, but as a physicist, figuring out a mystery like this is what I live for
 
You could post on Meta Stack Exchange (or at least search there)
 
and would probably drive me nuts
Post what, "Why did I lose 2 rep that I can't account for?"
 
Yeah, exactly.
The more general question being, what can cause rep changes that wouldn't show up in the notification section?
That one might already be there somewhere
 
And which aren't the result of my recent actions
directly or indirectly
 
8:11 PM
Yeah. Though I think even rep changes for downvoting and accepting do show up in the notifications
 
yes, they do
I don't even know how to search for that on meta. I'm getting all old posts before a lot of rep changes were shown in the logs
 
sort search results by date and start with the newest perhaps?
That being said, that's probably enough research to make it worth asking yourself
 
Doing that now
 
also the algorithm that suggests related questions while you're asking your own is a pretty good way to search in its own right
 
none are relevant
 
8:22 PM
@ACuriousMind The best kind!
 
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Q: What can cause you to lose (or gain, I guess) rep without any notification whatsoever?

ACuriousJimSo today something weird happened while I was doing my daily business on Physics.SE. I'm not too worried with my rep, but I love numbers and my rep has ended with a 6 for the last week or so. I'll not bore you with details, but essentially today I noticed out of the blue that I lost 2 rep arbitra...

The only thing I can think of that causes you to not be notified of a rep change is when an answer you downvoted gets deleted. But even then, that's a positive change and you still see the +1 in the top bar, I think
 
8:41 PM
I have been careful to review the text and title and to exclude the litigious case of computational simulation possibly masquerading as theoretical models. Could you please tell me in what way this can be opinion based, to a larger degree than any other general question, of which many are accepted.? That includes some about the role of physics in computation theory.
My question is specifically asking for "facts [and] references". If I asked similarly whether results of group theory are relevant, you would not consider it opinion based. What difference?
One of the people who voted closing did vote to reopen. I have no clue as to what could still be a problem.
 
@ACuriousJim hm, very interesting
 
Indeed
 
that's certainly not a common case
 
I should hope not
Doesn't sound like something that would be easy for them to log either. But you'd think at least the top bar would notify you
 
8:48 PM
Well, depends on the underlying implementation. But yeah, you'd think
 
And what are the odds that I hit 2 of these posts in an hour?
Here's the one that's still undeleted:
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A: Diamond changing to graphite

MobinLet's get the density of diamond 3.5 g/Cm^3 and the density of graphite 2.25 g/Cm^3. now I Have: m=mass , v= Volume , D= Density For diamond: $3.5=D=m/V=3.5/1$ so a 3.5 g of diamonds has 1 cm^3 volume. for graphite (The mass doesn't change during the reaction) $d=2.25=3.5/V$ therefor my V of...

 
9:07 PM
Sure. Now it shows me a +1 when I get the rep back
Variety may be the spice of life, but consistency is the meat and potatoes.... hint hint StackExchange
 
 
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10:19 PM
@Danu I strongly urge you to reconsider that position.
 
10:37 PM
I'm afraid I'll have to deny that request
 
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@AlfredCentauri I agree with you, but in this day and age the moral policy of self-interested utilitarianism combined with a disbelief in objectivity has taken hold in response to unjustified dogmatism. Kant is too unpalatable for most people ;)
 
My problem is mainly that it seems clear to me that such a thing necessitates an appeal to some higher authority.
 
@Danu Well, if you call reason a higher authority, then yes, but the deontologists like Kant mostly do believe in objective morality without believing in any higher authority than their own reasoning.
 
I reject the categorical imperative thingy thingy
 
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@ACuriousMind but of course HK-47 is the highest moral authority
 
10:45 PM
Agreement: Correct, meatbag.
 
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