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Q: Downvoting new users whose questions don't meet our criteria

Logan MWe've had a few questions recently by new users which were well-formed questions that just weren't good matches for our main site. That's understandable, since the askers are often not familiar with how our site works, and we have some rules as to what sorts of questions are allowed that might be...

 
 
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4:00 AM
Is it just me, or are vote counts not working on Anime.SE?
They seem to work on meta SO, but seem to be dead on SO main as well.
 
Vote counts?
 
upvote/downvote breakdowns
 
Working fine for me.
On Anime.SE.
 
hmmm...
 
Same on SO.
 
4:03 AM
dead on SO and Anime.SE for me.
Works on meta SO.
 
Weird... maybe just a glitch for some accounts or a CDN (if they use that for textual serving).
 
strange, works at work for me
Then it's borked on my side.
 
You can test at work from home?
Or am I missing something? lol
 
remote desktop
gonna restart FF
 
I'm on Chrome, FWIW.
 
4:08 AM
yeah, just a temporary browser screw up
And the data explorer refuses to update the SO data...
grr...
 
@Mysticial Data explorer? What am I missing?
 
Ohhhhh.
Lol, yeah, you're right. "feb 3 most recent"
 
Someone is full of pent-up rage and uncontrolled emotions left over from puberty.
Probably due to this. :P
 
4:17 AM
obviously he's question banned
too bad we can't see deleted posts on a person's profile.
I wonder how annoyed SE will get if a 10k user iterated through all 14 million post #'s that exist and recorded where they were all from.
 
Very. Unless they didn't notice. :)
I'd bet their datacenter could handle it with no problem.
 
They'll definitely notice it if an account is hammering them with a high volume of requests.
You could potentially spread it out. And do only one a second.
It only take about half a year to clear all of them.
 
If you managed to run it through a number of proxies, though, they wouldn't be able to tell who it was.
 
And then store it in you own database.
 
Not that I'm suggesting such a thing. :)
 
4:20 AM
And let everyone query it.
@Eric Doesn't matter. All they need to do is freeze the account and you're done.
 
Why do you need to do it via account?
Oh, right, 10k+.
 
yeah
you could cheat a little
do it annoymously
anything that appears to be deleted, pass it over to a logged in account
 
Yeah, that'd work. You'd just have to run the two sessions simultaneously, or, run them sequentially. You'd still have to space out the logged-in requests, though.
The harder part would be answers, if you wanted that data, too.
It's impossible to tell if an answer has been deleted unless you're 10k+.
 
it isn't harder for answers
 
(With Q, you get a 404.)
 
4:22 AM
if the #token doesn't exist, you know it's deleted.
 
Where would you get the #token to begin with?
 
just do to any direct link to an answer
it will have the # hash on it
 
But the answer wouldn't show up on an anonymous account.
How would you get the hash?
 
you would iterate like this:
http://stackoverflow.com/q/postid
If it's an answer, it will redirect to the answer.
 
Qs and As share postids?
 
4:24 AM
I just did: stackoverflow.com/q/123456
and it sent me here:
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A: Load Excel data sheet to Oracle database

jimmyorrAnother way to do Excel -> CSV -> Oracle is using External Tables, first introduced in 9i. External tables let you query a flat file as if it's a table. Behind the scenes Oracle is still using SQL*Loader. There's a solid tutorial here: http://www.orafaq.com/node/848

 
Oh, so they do.
I thought answer numbering schema was different from questions.
My bad.
 
It's shared. :)
 
So yeah, it would work then.
 
So yes, you could brute-force iterate the entire SO database.
And fill out all the deleted content gaps with a 10k account.
 
Yup!
 
4:25 AM
I bet that whoever did that will soon get the ip of the anonymous account banned very quickly.
Then the 10k account suspended.
 
Wait, someone did this? Or is this still hypothetical? lol
 
hypothetical
It isn't too hard to realize that there's an account hitting you with a request every few seconds.
 
Ah, for a second I thought you had been trying to figure out how someone else had done it.
Indeed, and any good server would realize it.
It's comparable to a DDoS attack, really.
 
I've gotten away with a 5-second auto-refresher for a few months during my repwhoring days.
But that was on the homepage.
It wasn't like direct jumps to deleted posts.
 
... lol
Yeah, well, I can sit on the homepage and spam refresh. No consequences. They'd probably monitor it over some period of time.
Maybe slow your requests after X amount of consecutive requests.
 
4:29 AM
Right now, I run a 30-second refresher for much of the day.
They don't seem to care.
5 seconds is only necessary for FGITW - which isn't enough anymore since they added the live-updates.
30 seconds is enough to get me in on the interesting ones early. But not too often for where I fail to click before the next refresh.
Although now I find most of the ones I answer from the C++ chatroom.
The guys there ping me in on a lot of stuff that I could potentially answer.
3 of my top 5 were from that chatroom.
I owe those guys more than a few beers.
 
You owe them a whole pub.
 
Of my top 5, the only ones I found independently off the homepage were the 6k and +800 answers.
@Eric Yeah seriously...
 
You do realize the 6k one is the most upvoted answer ever, right?
Just wanted to make sure you knew that, lol.
 
yeah
It overtook the regex answer when it went viral on HN.
 
HN?
 
4:35 AM
Hacker News
 
Ah.
 
The initial viral spike was from Reddit, SO multicollider, and Joel's tweet.
Then a few months later, it showed up on Hacker News.
 
I guess it's somewhat more than just writing a damn good answer. Finding the good question and getting the publicity that comes inherently from it is also incredibly important.
 
HN put 900 upvotes into it over 48 hours. It was pretty insane. Makes me wonder what would have happened if they picked up at the beginning when everyone else had it.
@Eric Yep. Finding the golden question is difficult. And they are getting rarer and rarer.
 
I know. I've tried. Back a few months ago I was going pretty much anything I could to repcap. But my +50 answer that was like my 8th answer on SO is still the best I've done. I just don't look in the right tags, or something.
 
4:39 AM
Granted, I have a pretty good eye for them now. But unless it's in performance (or some other area that I'm strong at), I can't jump on it. And I usually try to pass it on to someone else I know.
 
But it's no big deal. I'm putting way more into A&M than SO anyway, lol.
@Mysticial Why only performance?
 
@Eric It's really the only thing I'm good at.
 
Interesting.
I wouldn't've guessed.
 
4 of my top 5 are performance questions. The Pi one was home-field advantage.
My 6th and 7th are indirectly related to performance.
8th and 9th were lucky FGITW...
 
8th and 9th aren't accepted, though.
 
4:42 AM
meh...
 
But yeah, I see your point.
Though my first exposure to your answers was the Pi one.
 
The +76 is not performance. But I learned it because of the performance impact.
 
So that obviously affected how I saw you, lol.
@Mysticial You even mentioned performance in your answer, as well.
 
The +63 and +66 are stupid FGITW. The next 5 after that are all directly or indirectly performance related...
so... yeah...
So if you cross out performance and home-field advantage, I really don't have anything left.
 
Fair enough.
Though, that's kind of like saying "cross out C++ and C from Jon Skeet", lol.
 
4:46 AM
You mean C# and Java.
 
Er, yeah, I do.
I still forget who the C++ bosses are sometimes, lol.
 
They're all in the C++ chatroom.
most of them at least
I actually know very little C++.
But since most of the big performance questions are cross-tagged C++... That's how I ended up there.
 
You knew enough to know it has namespaces.
:D
 
hehe
 
@Deidara-senpai Hey!
 
4:48 AM
@Deidara-senpai Hey!
 
Hey! :)
Pleased to see you, lol.
 
Getting right down to business: Were you still planning to volunteer for the Facebook position?
(Didn't know if you forgot, or weren't interested anymore.)
The "anime knowledge" requirement was axed.
 
It's neither, I was just too lazy to post an answer. :P
 
Do so! :P
 
Things kept coming up in RL, and I kept procrastinating, but anyway, I am free today, and I will post an answer.
 
4:52 AM
Awesome. Thanks!
@Mysticial Is your Careers profile on SO useful?
I've thought of having one except it's just one more profile to maintain.
 
@Eric nope
The majority of people go to my website and find my email there.
And contact me directly.
 
I thought you said something about Google contacting you via SO?
 
They found me on SO.
But to contact me, they need to go to my website.
 
Ah.
Yeah, I'm looking to work at Google someday. I'm still in school, of course, but I was just curious.
 
Intentional by design to reduce the spam I get. But easy enough where anyone who was serious can still find me.
Not to mention, my name is Googleable.
 
4:55 AM
Mine too. Second link is my resume.
 
@Mysticial You truly are a badass. :)
By the way, does your university offer distance learning programs?
 
@Deidara-senpai That's kinda the wrong question.
 
hmm, why so?
 
Don't come here just because I did.
Go somewhere that suits you.
 
Oh, I didn't mean that.
I don't want to come there because you are there. I am looking at various universities to see what suits me.
 
4:57 AM
oh
I was gonna say that the majority of the stuff I know isn't from school.
Schools only teach the basics.
grad schools will get more specialized.
 
Well, pretty much everything I know (which is not much, by the way) is learned after school. I don't even have a CS degree.
 
@Deidara-senpai As is usually the case with almost anything. :)
 
true. :)
 
That's not to say that schools are useless. Since they do teach you how to add and subtract.
 
All school ever taught me is new names people had come up with for stuff I discovered on my own. In terms of CS, anyway.
(And they taught me Turing machines. That was fun.)
 
5:01 AM
My school taught me how to use the Turbo C compiler. :P
 
Lol!
 
lol
 
I've never had to use C. For anything.
So glad.
 
that's going backwards...
 
Yeah, well it is pretty pathetic here in India, most universities don't even know what's going on in the outside world.
so I just learn things on my own.
I swear 99% of the "elite" professors in India don't even know about C++11 ... or actually even that there's a standard. For that matter, even about ISO.
 
5:04 AM
lol
 
I just pretend C++11 doesn't exist. I have no interest in lambda or auto, lol.
 
auto is easy.
It automatically does everything for you.
lambdas are new to me.
As is template meta programming.
Those are both areas outside my reach.
 
I hated auto because it's more automatic than strong typing but not as automating as weak typing.
And as far as I'm concerned, that was not necessary.
 
It saves typing.
 
There are situations when it is useful though. It is not strictly "nececssary" though.
 
5:06 AM
And if the type is inaccessible (private), then you can't do it otherwise.
 
I've never been in a scenario where I wished I could "save" typing, to be honest.
 
Then you've never used iterators.
:)
 
Do Java iterators count? lol
I mean, I guess you could compare auto to Object in Java.
But, even then, not really. Because you could have Object x = new Integer(6);, then x = new Float(5.5f);.
 
@Eric no they don't :)
 
Then I guess not! lol
I used C++ for a long time but nothing like that.
 
5:10 AM
C++ iterators are so bulky, they make Java's naming conventions look tame.
 
Haha
 
template<class T, class U> void multiply(const vector<T>& vt, const vector<U>& vu)
{
     // ...
     auto tmp = vt[i]*vu[i];
     // ...
}
FWIW, this is the example from BS.
 
Ah, see, Java doesn't have operator overloading (which I really miss, btw). So I'd never need that.
You can either do vt[i].mul(vu[i]), or you can't.
 
One of the most irritating things is that textbooks often give oversimplified examples, which is good for understanding and all, but gives me a hard time to figure out why it is required.
 
@Deidara-senpai This is why I love profs that make the textbook "recommended". ;)
 
5:14 AM
I wish they would also include some more practical scenarios.
 
Like these? :D
 
I could never quite understand "delete" constructors. Everyone just explains the syntax, which basically just tells me that if I type this, the code would compile.
but not why I would want to write it in the first place.
 
delete constructors? You mean destructors?
 
@Heh, good example. :)
no, I mean C++11 now has "delete constructor".
 
Oh, when you don't want to generate the default constructor?
 
5:19 AM
Yes, you just declare MyClass() = delete;.
and then the compiler won't generate one (and neither can you).
 
Yeah. Have you used the Factory method pattern before?
 
That'd be a good use case for this.
 
Oh I see.. gotcha.
I can see how that would be useful.
 
Wow, you catch on quick. Most people I said that to would ask "Wait, why?"
 
5:21 AM
This is the point, they never mention such things in textbooks. I am glad I joined this chat.
 
eCookie for you:
And yeah. I really don't like textbooks except for reference sections.
My SPARC Assembly textbook saved me many times.
 
LOL, thanks for the cookie. :)
 
No problem. :D
 
I want to use C++11 in my work, but the IT guys still have gcc 4.1.2, and have no plans of moving anytime soon. :(
 
Then by definition, they suck.
 
5:23 AM
^ What @Mysticial said.
 
Yes, can't help it. Everyone on my team wants to use it, but we can't.
 
It's like using IE6. I mean, IE is a mistake to begin with, but not upgrading to at least IE8 is just... sin.
The same applies to updating GCC.
 
So now I am basically writing my own "textbook" on C++11, to convince more people why we should move.
Given that my school only allowed me to use Turbo C, I am not complaining though. :P
 
If you make a big enough stink over it, you might convince them.
 
I even had to do my final year project "compatible" with Turbo C.
 
5:26 AM
Is that good or bad?
 
Even though I suggested that I could do the project on my own computer and give them the executable, but they wanted to see the "Ctrl F9, Alt F9".
Otherwise it simply isn't a final year project.
:P
 
... lol
 
Hmm, I want to ask a recommendation question. Is there any manga based on C++11? :D
 
Haha, no. That'd be a damn good manga, tho.
I'm loving all the tech stuff in Steins;Gate. They actually manage to be pretty accurate.
 
Let's write one.
 
5:29 AM
OMG.
Yeah!
 
Wow. :)
Now I have to watch that anime. :)
brb. going for a snack..
 
It's an amazing show.
 
That moment when 2.1MB/s just isn't fast enough. #firstworldproblems lol
 
Oreimo is just about as Type B as a show as it can possibly get.
It's great. :)
 
5:35 AM
@Mysticial Thanks, now I have to look up Type A vs Type B again. :P
 
I'm gonna try to farm some badges by putting a link to that Pi question on my website.
hehe
 
@Mysticial Badge whore!
:)
 
:)
I got a few Announcer badges from links on my about page.
And I got a Booster badge from a link I put on one of my blogs.
Now I'll see what happens if I put a link on my Pi world record announcement pages.
 
Probably not as much as if you'd put it there when you first broke the record.
How many hits do you get?
 
@Eric out of curiosity, and because the other day I was sort of busy with something else, do you visit evageeks (to recognize the avatar)?
 
5:48 AM
@Eric True, but it doesn't matter. I only need 1000 hits to get the badge.
 
@JonLin I do occasionally, I was looking for info on Rei the other day and saw your post about 3.33 on the home page.
@Mysticial Indeed. Do you get 1000 unique hits?
 
@Eric 1000 unique ips.
 
I mean, does your website generate 1000 unique hits over a decent period of time?
 
yes
 
Then awesome. :D
 
5:50 AM
I get hundreds of hits a day the main y-cruncher download page.
I'm not sure about the world record announcement pages though.
But I got a Booster badge after a few months from this:
And that's pretty far down the page.
 
There, one more hit for ya. ;)
 
haha thx :)
 
Also, did you know you're mentioned on Wikipedia?
 
@Eric Which?
 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi just control+F your name.
 
5:52 AM
@Eric Oh that... yeah.
 
A couple other related pages as well.
 
6:05 AM
.. Is Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles an anime?
I'm pretty sure it's American and not even anime style, but I figure it's worth asking.
 
dunno
 
How can this even exist?
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Bitcoinbitcoin.stackexchange.com

Beta Q&A site for Bitcoin crypto-currency enthusiasts.

Currently in public beta.

I just... I don't even...
YES! My download is finally done!
Now I can sleep in peace.
Good night, everyone!
And @Deidara-senpai -- don't forget the Facebook thing. :)
 
6:22 AM
lol
night
wait...
if you're not gonna watch it now, they why did you need to wait for it to finish before you sleep?
 
6:53 AM
@Eric TMNT is originally an American comic. It does have a 2-episode anime OVA, Mutant Turtles: Choujin Densetsu-hen. My viewpoint with this is the same as Powerpuff Girls or Parappa the Rapper, namely that we allow the anime, but the other versions are off-topic.
This is a particularly strange case though because the OVA is based on (and related to) the original cartoon series, so it's hard to separate the two. But I doubt we'd get many questions on Mutant Turtles: Choujin Densetsu-hen anyway so it's rather irrelevant.
 
 
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12:49 PM
@LoganM By the way, I was going through the chat history. I don't mind being #1 obviously :), but that really isn't my top priority at the moment, as in I don't really care about being #1.

For that reason, I decided to hold asking Naruto questions, since there was concern about it "hogging the limelight" and putting off users. Although if a Naruto question comes along, I do write a good answer. I may add those questions later when the site becomes a little less "lopsided".

Right now, I want to focus on "answer your own question" in [tag:fairy-tail], because it is immensely popular, but ve
Hey, how do you post tags in chat? :(
 
1:53 PM
@Deidara-senpai Chat messages are meant to be one line only
The multiple lines was mainly allowed to post code in chat messages.
It wasn't meant for entire posts
 
2:34 PM
@MadaraUchiha Well, it kinda makes sense if you look at it that way. But nobody I know thinks of chat as one-line only, so it still sounds kinda lame.
 
@Deidara-senpai Have you ever been to IRC?
 
3:18 PM
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Q: How far can we go with questions related to anime?

Dimitri mxIf been pondering about this one for a while and seen some of them pop up. How far are we allowed to go with questions that don't directly affect an anime but a more Regular like question about anime such as: Will you ever "grow out" of anime? — other example on site I know questions like; Wha...

 
4:11 PM
@Mysticial I turn my computer off overnight these days, lol. Since it's in the same room as where I sleep, I like it nice and tranquil. (No fans, no screens on, no blinking "think" light, etc.)
@LoganM Ah, I see. I was less concerned about questions about it here and more about why there was a post about it in the G+ anime community. Good to know, though.
And now I disappear for half the day! Weeeeeee! :D
 
4:28 PM
Hi everyone ;)
 
@moomoochoo SE has learned that hard way that recommendation questions almost always degrade into a non-constructive mess that requires heavy moderation to maintain. After all, this is a Q&A site with objective questions and answers, not a forum. If you're looking for a forum, then you are right, this is not the place. We're sorry to lose you. — Mysticial 1 min ago
^^ That's the most I can do for that guy.
Oh well...
Interesting, re-oneboxing after editing the comment doesn't update the comment.
 
4:50 PM
X Men :D
 
5:05 PM
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Q: Should we focus the moderator flag queue?

Madara UchihaBasically, after reading through (again) the Theory of Moderation post, it got me thinking. A lot of flags that reach moderators (as well as 10k users, but not enough users actually do something about it). Let's have some data: Do all these flags belong? Now, a good (great) deal of those ca...

For higher Stack Overflow rep users ^
(mostly)
 
upboated when it was at 6.
 
I can choose for how long to suspend a user from chat.
Never tried it though
 
We haven't had a need for it yet. :)
 
@MadaraUchiha what actually anime and manga is ?
 
Is there a bin on SE somewhere?
 
5:15 PM
Yeah, I think Mathematics and [superuser.se] have ones
@NullPointer I think we have a meta question on that in this site :D
 
Ah, so each site has their own bin if needed.
 
@Mysticial You can move a message from here to a bin on a different site (though not Stack Overflow)
 
That I know. I'm just not aware of a bin on SE in general.
For the stuff that doesn't warrant flagging, but maybe NSFW.
If we ever need it and when the time comes, I'll make one for Anime.SE.
 
there is a Bin in Stack Overflow too
 
@Washu Several if I remember correctly :P
 
5:18 PM
;)
 
@Mysticial You can make one for the entire network (I think)
not sure if only mods can, but w/e
 
It would probably be a mess.
 
Now that I think of it, there's sandbox
Which is kinda like a bin for that matter
1 message moved to Sandbox
 
It sounds like NSFW stuff shouldn't go there.
Since it seems to be used for legitimate sandboxing purposes.
Just look at our bin...
*on SO
WARNING
There's a NSFW image in there right now.
 
6:13 PM
@Mysticial i see none
 
@Washu Then you're looking in the wrong place:

  bin

It's a bin, for binning things.
Again WARNING: NSFW image in there right now.
I binned that myself from the C++ chatroom.
 
Lol that lobster
Well is sunday i don't think is a problem today...
 
NSFW can also stand for: Not safe for Wife
 
I feel like a kid watching X Men serie all over again :)
xDD
 
Stuff like this gets posted in our room all the time:
 
6:18 PM
in C++?
 
yeah
 
7:01 PM
made and edited a new tag could somebody review it ?
 
7:13 PM
@Dimitrimx Lookin' good.
Booya! Rep cap on MSO
 
okay thanks madara :)
 
@MadaraUchiha woah...
Repcapping on meta for a non-moderator is usually front-page news.
 

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