The Loop

Every evening after I finish working with WordPress I go cleanse myself by working in a real framework or reading the raw C that compiles to PHP so I don't feel like such an idiot for the day.

toscho

How WooCommerce registers its tables

userabuser

what the hell

another crew that should be banned from using raw SQL

toscho

3:43 AM

took me a while to figure out why the terms are gone when a user tries to copy a site

it didn’t help that the user’s site was live already and on WordPress 3.5.2

Oh god, I hate support.

userabuser

that's a major problem... we had issues with our schema that gave us a lot of grief in MS until we spent to the time to get it right but a Woo comm is a mass used product, man that should not be so messed up like that.

ouch man

live site support hell

good luck!

toscho

I haven’t written a single line on the current MLP branch since Thursday. Too much support.

userabuser

problems everywhere?

SELECT DISTINCT... <- says it all...

toscho

yeah, without DISTINCT I get too many duplicates. :)

userabuser

haha...

so basically you are in support mode for current MLP release with people trying to use it on woo type sites or similar?

toscho

3:48 AM

People have problems setting multisite up (I should write a plugin for that), and the remaining support issues are very advanced, because the basic stuff just works.

Custom post types in themes – try to explain a non-coder how to extract this shit into a network plugin.

userabuser

If its a general plugin in setting up MS I'd help you with that... I work with that b**ch daily.

haha! yeah good luck

toscho

Last Friday was dedicated to Advanced Custom Fields. :/

Boy, is this is fucked up. Unbelievable

userabuser

why are you being tortured?

toscho

The guy I work with was on holiday

and the rest of our support team doesn’t know enough about MLP

userabuser

you da man then!

the sun can't shine all the time :)

toscho

4:01 AM

oh, wordpress.aspcode.net

userabuser

scraper?

toscho

almost legal. the profiles links go to the wrong site

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Stack Exchange

2:15 PM

Q: Is It Open Season On WooCommerce Questions Yet?

I've been spending more time in the review queues lately, and ran into a string of WooCommerce questions. While this has been discussed in Meta previously (Woocommerce questions flooding WPSE, among others). If these questions were asked on more obscure plugins, they would be closed. Should we be...

discussion

sakibmoon

2:59 PM

Q: Plugin/Theme template to make developing easier

I think everyone use skeleton to start developing a plugin/theme. It reduces the development time drastically. I will love to see some skeleton from experienced wordpress theme/plugin developer. I think it will help a lot to understand how they write code and learn some best practices. P.S I am...

plugin-development theme-development

It was closed as I feared. But can I see some of yours template? It's a valid question here, isn't it?

Stephen Harris

@sakibmoon I use grunt template to kickstart plug-ins/themes. I have a (non-public) personal variant of github.com/10up/grunt-wp-plugin (and the theme version github.com/10up/grunt-wp-theme). They are fairly basic though.

sakibmoon

3:13 PM

@StephenHarris Thanks. It incorporate the minimal features and a good starting point.

toscho

3:33 PM

@StephenHarris without those constants, I hope?

Stephen Harris

@toscho The url/directory ones?

toscho

yes

Stephen Harris

no, I use those...

toscho

I don’t know you anymore

Stephen Harris

I sometimes define them later so so that a theme/plugin can over-ride them.

@toscho :), so why is a constant so bad there, and what should I use instead?

toscho

3:36 PM

A: Bestway To Define Theme and Plugin path and url

Do not use constants for that. Do not use global constants at all. There are two types of constants: class/interface constants and global constants. Constants in classes or interfaces are fine and sometimes useful. An overly simplistic example: interface Requirements { const MIN_PHP_VERSI...

Stephen Harris

3:53 PM

@toscho The problem with plugin_dir_url() is that it returns different values depending on the file you're in (if you pass __FILE__). So it's simpler to define a constant I can use throughout. I take your point on testing, but testing different locations of images is not something that has cropped up, and script/styles can be filtered at runtime.

toscho

4:07 PM

class Plugin_Locations {

		private $plugin_path = '';

		private $plugin_url = '';

		public function __construct( $file ) {

			$this->plugin_path = plugin_dir_path( $file );
			$this->plugin_url  = plugin_dir_url( $file );
		}

		public function path() {
			return $this->plugin_path;
		}

		public function url() {
			return $this->plugin_url;
		}
	}

How hard is that?

You can add an interface for that, set your dependencies against it and mock it in your tests

1 hour later…

jnthnclrk

5:33 PM

Hey, looking to hire a really strong theme dev. Must have great front end and RWD (Bootstrap preferred) experience. Any recommendations?

3 hours later…

Rarst

8:36 PM

Why Bootstrap is a bad fit for WordPress Themes

good lulz

2 hours later…

toscho

10:09 PM

Off topic? This is a plugin, not WordPress.

Q: Why are passwords exportable as plain text in WordPress?

On my WordPress 3.9.2 installation can I extract the users plain text passwords by going to Users, select all users, and choosing Bulk Actions Export. When I look in the mySQL database with phpMyAdmin, the passwords are hashed. Question How come all user passwords can be exported in plain text...