@phoog Thanks for the help on that US visa refusal Meta question.

Would it make sense to create a specific policy for these questions?

Say, no refusal but at least the article quoted in the refusal letter (214-whatever for example).

@GayotFow ^

@phoog FYI I cleaned up the comments.

@JoErNanO Yes, it does make sense to ask for the citation, although they apparently use 214(b) as the "catch-all" reason. If someone were refused for some reason other than 214(b), that would certainly change any answer related to their refusal. Other reasons include 221(g) (incomplete application) and various parts of §212 covering "public charge," fraud and misrepresentation, and unlawful presence. I don't know whether they would cite a section if an applicant were found inadmissible.

@phoog OK so I reopened, cleaned up the comments and asked for the refusal reason.

@JonathanReez I'll go ahead the put the map question in TSE and ping you as I do

@JoErNanO you jumped the gun on accepting that META question!

@GayotFow Maybe. But accept votes can always change. I bet you have something to add.

:)

@JoErNanO can you try it now?

@GayotFow Thanks. I fear you asked the "should we create a canonical for US refusals?" question though, and not the "should we ask for refusal letters?"

The two are obviously intertwined though.

@JoErNanO wait, I will edit

@JonathanReez I accepted your META answer, and put in the TSE question ... before accepting there, we'll let it sit out there for a while and get lots of vote; ty

@GayotFow I like that:

> Answer: We don't need to see the refusal letters because they do not impart the big questions the applicant needs to know; the big questions are 'why?' and 'now what?'

@JoErNanO I have seen what the US gives.

@JoErNanO when you go to the 2nd and 3rd levels of enquiry with the applicant, you get all the same stuff, funds parking, premise issues, credibility issues, lifestyle issues. It's the same twaddle...

@GayotFow I would imagine so.

Problem is the refusal letter is next to useless.

@JoErNanO the canonical also has to take up if there's a cooling off period

@GayotFow @JoErNanO I'm collecting US refusals images and, although not as detailed as the UK's, they do cite section(s) and the short version of what (public support) etc

@Dorothy I'm confused, what does "for sources" mean? Is it a typo, or an phrase I don't know?

> Are there for sources in Prague that have hand-held, printed maps?

@JoErNanO no LOL... missed that, in my revision ... and now corrected ! thank you