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chx

12:15 AM

LOOOL

mts

this is shocking :(

chx

1:00 AM

@Berwyn: I usually "subscribe" ExpertFlyer for a month to help with finding an award ticket then cancel it. It's worth it. Although awardnexus is also good but EF is better.

Berwyn

I've got my own scripts to do award monitoring

but I don't really need to do it much

I get jokers on BA and can get redemption seats when they're not otherwise available

These brexit results are crap

democracy is such a stupid idea

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Gayot Fow

I might have to do another 500 point bounty for the Blue Girls question

Plus I am going to ask another Hemingway pilgrimage question, get ready!

Berwyn

The Blue Girls question is unanswerable!

Gayot Fow

1:15 AM

It's a great question, so was the first Hemingway pilgrimage

Berwyn

It is indeed. But...

Gayot Fow

I'm composing the next Hemingway question as we speak, I might do one on Jane Austin and a pilgrimage to Bath

Berwyn

Do you do these pilgrimages regularly?

They seem very intense

Gayot Fow

Yes, sometimes, but I am a guide and the events are charity. So you get the high rollers who have literary appreciation

Also a tour on Richard Wagner which is heavy

Berwyn

Interesting

They're saying GBP is tanking against USD, but it's getting stronger against EUR. I don't get it

Gayot Fow

1:29 AM

@Berwyn Honestly, the smart money had this even hedged out a long time ago; now they are trying to syphon off the little guys.

Heidel Ber Gensis

@GayotFow when will the vote result be out?

Gayot Fow

@HeidelBerGensis go to sleep, it will be a long time

Berwyn

Was hoping for a cheap dinner next time in Italy, but am no longer confident

They're already saying it's over. brexit it is

Heidel Ber Gensis

@GayotFow months? days?

Berwyn

result will be out in a few hours

Gayot Fow

1:31 AM

tomorrow, it's too stressful right now

Berwyn

The damage will last months

years/decades

Heidel Ber Gensis

@GayotFow man, i couldnt care less... really..

but i wish you guys the best..

perhaps you start having new items on the menu, something other than the fish and chips..

Berwyn

You'll still love us anyway?

Heidel Ber Gensis

i love everyone..

Berwyn

Chips and gravy. The best meal

Heidel Ber Gensis

1:35 AM

@Berwyn do you like the middle eastern cuisine?

Berwyn

Not particularly

Not sure how to put this, but I like distinguised components like some spicy meat and crispy veg, rather than blends

Heidel Ber Gensis

ok..

Berwyn

but I probably don't understand middle eastern cuisine very much

What about you?

Heidel Ber Gensis

@Berwyn man its fantastic.. try the north african one.. the arab countries in the africa, they have a wonderful one as well..

morocco especially..

Gayot Fow

@Berwyn I am doing one at Hastings this summer.

And trying to get in to Napoleon's trek from Cannes to Grenoble

Berwyn

1:41 AM

I never even knew these people did these treks!

Heidel Ber Gensis

when i was in china, i met @hippietrail, that trip made me believe that i do not really eat anything..

Berwyn

I can imagine

Gayot Fow

@Berwyn You need to get plugged in

Berwyn

I was in China a few months ago

can't say I was too experimental...

Gayot Fow

Just to be a person on the tour, much less a guide

BUT

Heidel Ber Gensis

1:43 AM

@Berwyn I spend half of time in indonesia.. I kinda like the food there..

Gayot Fow

Because it's all charity, the guide only gets an honorarium

Berwyn

I haven't done much historical stuff while travelling

I remember a really interesting guide in Israel

but just doesn't really happen due to family and stuff

Gayot Fow

@Berwyn The walk to Top Withens is 1k a pop

And there's no room!!!

Berwyn

Wow!

A walk!?

Gayot Fow

@Berwyn You can't even sign up because it's full.

Berwyn

1:45 AM

Sure it's not camel back?

what is isarel?

Israel

whats that?

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Q: Literary Pilgrimage to Top Withens, Yorkshire (Wuthering Heights)

This summer hundreds (maybe thousands) of tourists and literary pilgrims will make the trek from Haworth to the ruins of Top Withens. For the most part they will start at the Bronte Parsonage and follow the path across the falls, climb the ravine, and join with the Enfield Side Road to reach the...

Berwyn

A country in the middle east, according to google

Heidel Ber Gensis

1:46 AM

a country? not to my knowledge..

ooooh u mean Palestine..

ok got it..

Berwyn

blame google

Masada was where I went

Siege of Masada

The siege of Masada was one of the final events in the First Jewish–Roman War, occurring from 73 to 74 CE on a large hilltop in current-day Israel. The siege was chronicled by Flavius Josephus, a Jewish rebel leader captured by the Romans, in whose service he became a historian. According to Josephus the long siege by the troops of the Roman Empire led to the mass suicide of the Sicarii rebels and resident Jewish families of the Masada fortress. Masada has become a controversial event in Jewish history, with some regarding it as a place of reverence, commemorating fallen ancestors and their heroic...

Gayot Fow

@Berwyn That's cool!

Berwyn

and a quick dip in the sea

I remember that day as if it were today. The guide was awesome

Gayot Fow

2:12 AM

You want a preview of the next Hemingway question?

Berwyn

I really don't think I'd have a clue

Gayot Fow

I will upload it and see what we get. You please review and comment here.

Berwyn

Sure

Heidel Ber Gensis

2:28 AM

@Berwyn

what would u call a method, to cancel a cancellation request..

CancelCancel()

CancelCancellation()

Gayot Fow

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Q: Recreating Hemingway's Trip to Pamplona (Part 1)

In about three weeks one of Europe's most widely known events will take place: the legendary running of the bulls in Pamlona, or known locally as the "Fiesta de San Fermín". The city is famous worldwide for the running of the bulls during the San Fermín festival, which is held annually from J...

paris spain pilgrimages pamplona

try it now

Berwyn

revoke a cancellation?

CancelRevoke() maybe...

@GayotFow Looks good!

You need to fix the link though

Gayot Fow

@Berwyn which link?

Berwyn

the wiki link. It's split over two lines

Gayot Fow

try it now

Berwyn

2:36 AM

Looks fine

Gayot Fow

How much bounty you think it's worth?

Berwyn

Looks solvable

Gayot Fow

I'm thinking 500

Berwyn

I don't really know. 100?

Seems too generous

you could always double it if it doesn't work out

maybe 200 then 400?

Gayot Fow

Yeah, the whole month is generous, ok I can start with 200

Berwyn

2:38 AM

I have to confess I've never read Hemingway

shame on me

Gayot Fow

It's cool to do that, especially Paris or Italy or Spain.

Take a flight and read it BAM you're good

@HeidelBerGensis please upvote that question

Heidel Ber Gensis

@GayotFow done

Gayot Fow

@HeidelBerGensis huggers to you dude, I totally love you

who else voted???

Berwyn

On your question?

I did

Gayot Fow

Thanks kind squire, we need to fend off the smart asses

Berwyn

2:42 AM

Heh

Heidel Ber Gensis

@Berwyn RevokeCancellation().. thats it.. thanks man!

Gayot Fow

For some reason I always get the smart asses.

Watch and see.......

Part 2 is going to be about Pamplona

Heidel Ber Gensis

why two brits are awake at this hour? don't you guys sleep like 10 or something :D

Gayot Fow

I sleep about 3 hours

Berwyn

savouring the last night in the EU

Heidel Ber Gensis

2:48 AM

ok, i live in a boring country, like no1 in this department of boredom.. i got all the reasons to be awake at night..

guys, u will never leave the EU..

Berwyn

besides, it isn't 8pm yet

Heidel Ber Gensis

a question, which is good for the US? staying or leaving?

Berwyn

staying

it's going to be chaos tomorrow

Heidel Ber Gensis

then UK will stay..

Berwyn

I don't think so. Looks a done deal already

Heidel Ber Gensis

2:49 AM

bet?

Berwyn

GBP just tanked against EUR

Heidel Ber Gensis

a 500 bounty to your answer if they leave..

if they stay, u give me a 500 bounty to any of any of answers..

Berwyn

1.32473 half an hour ago. now 1.23799

Heidel Ber Gensis

not sure what these numbers are..

Berwyn

GBP has just gone down 7% against EUR

Heidel Ber Gensis

2:52 AM

51.3% voted to stay.. just saw that..

but it is not closed..

Berwyn

voted to stay?

leave you mean?

Heidel Ber Gensis

leave i mean..

sorry got mixed up..

obama will make the phone call at the right moment,, then it is 49.5% leave.. 50.5% stay..

let's wait and see ;)

Berwyn

Who in their right mind thinks a referendum is a good idea?

Heidel Ber Gensis

referendum.. thats a big word..

Gayot Fow

3:06 AM

@HeidelBerGensis The smart money had this hedged out a long time ago

Now they are trying to shake out the little guys

Heidel Ber Gensis

now it is 51%...

Zach Lipton

GBPUSD is now at a 30 year low

Gayot Fow

honestly, they are just shaking out the little guys

Heidel Ber Gensis

how many areas in this referendum?

or is it sections?

they say it is 51% after sorting out 256 areas.. but that's a translation.. not sure i used the correct word..

Zach Lipton

3:21 AM

it's a national referendum. each council reports its results at once, but the votes are totaled together nationally, not divided up into districts

and every council is a different size

Heidel Ber Gensis

so how many of those.. so i can tell how much time left..

Zach Lipton

104 out of 382 left to declare results

Zach Lipton

3:41 AM

BBC and ITV have both called it for Leave

Heidel Ber Gensis

4:15 AM

@GayotFow man that australian chick in OITNB...

@GayotFow how fucked is it to wish being a lesbian so my chances are higher with her..

Gayot Fow

4:44 AM

@HeidelBerGensis You are lost. But I'm still carrying the torch for Morello :)

Heidel Ber Gensis

@GayotFow man she is perfect... every little detail..

so, it seems that the UK is leaving.. still not over yet..

Gayot Fow

@HeidelBerGensis who's perfect? The aussie or my sweetheart?

Heidel Ber Gensis

@GayotFow the aussie..

ruby rose

Gayot Fow

@HeidelBerGensis I thought you were hot on that apache girl

Heidel Ber Gensis

@GayotFow not any more..

Gayot Fow

4:49 AM

You threw her over for the aussie?

If so, I'm glad you did by the way

she smells too bad

Heidel Ber Gensis

lol

Gayot Fow

You want that aussie tart to give you a spanking?

Heidel Ber Gensis

English man.. lol

Gayot Fow

She will give you a spanking you'll never forget

Heidel Ber Gensis

lol

@GayotFow S03E09 at 30:00...

Gayot Fow

5:00 AM

s03??? can you refresh me? I would have to unzip it

Heidel Ber Gensis

the scene with ruby rose...

@GayotFow 10 more districts to go..

Gayot Fow

@HeidelBerGensis Yeah, I remember. Yes, she was a blue veiner in that one.

Heidel Ber Gensis

@GayotFow you people should have known better in the 1920s.. when you messed up the middle east. it haunts you now..

Gayot Fow

@HeidelBerGensis Did you ever see "Lawrence of Arabia"?

Heidel Ber Gensis

@GayotFow yes dude..

you see.. u people made this area consists of little countries, based on religion and shit.. then now, we have problems, and flood ur countries..

Gayot Fow

5:09 AM

@HeidelBerGensis great backgrounder

Heidel Ber Gensis

what goes around..

divide and conquer.. u did it well guys..

Zach Lipton

while that summary isn't completely inaccurate, it might be worth owning some of those problems as the fault of the people actually in the middle east in the last, say, 60 years

Heidel Ber Gensis

@ZachLipton no, not 60 years.. let's say since 1921.. the end of the great arab revolution against the ottoman empire.. which, ended well for arabs, except that, the same day the ottomans were out, the british and the french showed up!!!

the same day.. not one day earlier or later!

you know what they say, having a good foundation is the key.. we wanted one king to rule all arabs..

but, naaah.. due to the fact that the english and french divided the area.. things didnt go well..

i do not blame you guys, it is history.. we should have kicked u out.. but instead.. we didn't until it is tooo late..

we're fuckheads by nature.. so, do the math

Zach Lipton

sure, and I don't deny that deliberately putting arabs against each other wasn't part of the strategy

Mark Mayo

bbc.co.uk/news/business-36611512 - and the pound is plummeting...

Heidel Ber Gensis

5:16 AM

@ZachLipton divide and conquer.

Zach Lipton

stock markets are plummeting too and the LSE opens in a couple hours

sure, and that's worked out well for literally nobody

Heidel Ber Gensis

so is this voting thing done? UK is out of the EU?

Gayot Fow

@HeidelBerGensis NO! Don't be silly

Zach Lipton

it's over, they voted Leave

Heidel Ber Gensis

@GayotFow not sure silly on what, said a lot of things, mostly are silly today :)

Zach Lipton

5:20 AM

it turns out the Leave folks have absolutely no plan whatsoever, so what that means is anybody's guess

except that everyone has a whole bunch less money than they did yesterday

Gayot Fow

Nothing is going to happen for a loooooong time

Heidel Ber Gensis

is it like final? they can't say something like: ok, we changed our minds and we want to stay?

Gayot Fow

@HeidelBerGensis the referendum results now go to Parliament for debate

Heidel Ber Gensis

or will they come up with something new? like "an observing member", or "a half member"

man, as a person from the middle east, we know no shit about voting :D voting for us means cheating.. lol

Gayot Fow

It's much more like the EU will get off its ass and fix itself

Heidel Ber Gensis

5:23 AM

but i can teach u stuff about coups.. revolutions.. lol

Gayot Fow

and the UK will remain

Relaxed

@HeidelBerGensis Finding something to pretend the referendum matters without actually doing much is what happened when France and the Netherlands voted on the Constitution treaty and a few other times but it's difficult to see it happen this time

But the problem is that nobody has a plan, it's easy to promise stuff on TV but all those who claim it's easy to have a great association agreement without actually being a member clearly don't understand how the EU works

There is already something like half-memberships, e.g. Norway but it's not what people imagine

Heidel Ber Gensis

@Relaxed true.. if they had no plan.. whats the point of this?

Relaxed

It depends, some people might truly believe it's easy.

Others were clearly positioning themselves for the next elections

Zach Lipton

technically the referendum is only advisory, but obviously people will expect it to be respected or there may well be (further) violence

but it's going to be a couple year process at least

Relaxed

5:37 AM

I mean, even the immediate reason there was a referendum at all is more short-sighted electoral tactics than anything else, it seems Cameron never thought this through

Zach Lipton

Scotland is presumably going to demand a new independence referendum, and there's already talk about Irish nationalism

Relaxed

By the way the Swiss voted to break their agreement with the EU (and specifically the freedom of movement that has been contentious in the UK as well) more than two years ago and nothing has happened yet

Heidel Ber Gensis

what goes around..

chx

@ZachLipton talk? I'd say Martin McGuinness already calling for Irish reunification vote on BBC 4 radio is a bit more than talk

Also, that was one hell of a fast reaction

Heidel Ber Gensis

so you guys saying, the union is falling apart? brothers and sisters are having fights?

Zach Lipton

5:51 AM

@chx ok, "strong demands" instead of "talk"

chx

JK Rowling have tweeted several times already that Scotland should leave, yeah

Zach Lipton

the implications for Northern Ireland get really interesting. Do they split from the UK? What do the unionists do about that? And assuming Northern Ireland stays as part of the UK, what kind of border do you have in the middle of Ireland?

chx

the UK is done for

the British Kingdom and Wales can renegotiate how they want to live together

Zach Lipton

and how many difficult immigration questions on t.se will this all produce?

chx

a lot!

Heidel Ber Gensis

5:55 AM

@GayotFow will answer A LOT of them..

Gayot Fow

====++++

Please tell people that NOTHING is going to happen for a LONG TIME

Please..... Their air tickets will still be valid.

Heidel Ber Gensis

define "a long time"

earlier u said looong time, while u meant a few hours..

Gayot Fow

long time = 2020 if then even

Nobody is going to cancel their air tickets

Heidel Ber Gensis

ok.. 2020.. good year..

Gayot Fow

Please tell them ===>> nobody is going to cancel their hotel reservations!

======>>> tell them it is still possible to fly from London to the continent

Idiots

Heidel Ber Gensis

5:58 AM

i am thinking on buying some GBP.. to sell it later when it is higher..

Gayot Fow

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Q: Do Russian embassies tend to put visas on completely random passport pages?

Re-posting it again because it was marked as a duplicate even though it wasn't. Just got a Russian Transit visa. The visa pages in my passport are numbered 7-33, with only page 7 having stamps in it. I sent a yellow post-it note to the visa application centre asking that the visa be put on page...

visas passports russia

obsessive compulsive alert!!!!

Heidel Ber Gensis

hahahahahahahahahahaha

Gayot Fow

They put the visa on the page 22!

And he's reposting it!!!!

Zach Lipton

yeah this guy won't let it go

some guy in the consulate randomly opened his passport and plunked a sticker in the first place he saw

Gayot Fow

obsessive compulsive

Heidel Ber Gensis

6:06 AM

If I was the embassy employee, I would put it with an angle! like really tilted, just to make things even better for you :D — Heidel Ber Gensis 1 min ago

Gayot Fow

LOL, I will not hammer it, but I see @Relaxed is online, maybe he will LOL

phoog

Is the UK going to go back to blue passports?

Zach Lipton

it is interesting how some countries are quite orderly with their stamps and others don't care at all

JonathanReez

6:28 AM

@GayotFow get ready for the flood of "DO EU CITIZENS NEED VISA FOR UK" questions

Gayot Fow

@JonathanReez The answer is NO.

Idiots

Mark them all as duplicates

Zach Lipton

not yet anyway. negotiating a visa free deal is going to be a mess

JonathanReez

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Q: The UK has voted to leave the EU. Would this affect UK or EU citizens traveling to the continent and vice-versa?

The UK has voted to leave the EU on 23rd of June, 2016. These leads to the following questions: Are UK citizens traveling to the EU affected? Are EU citizens traveling to the UK affected?

visas uk eu event-based-effects

I've created a canonical question

so that we can mark everything as dupes for the next 2 years

Zach Lipton

answered :)

I could see community-wikiing that answer at some point I suppose

JonathanReez

I would be on another referendum in 2 years...

Gayot Fow

6:36 AM

@JonathanReez please add a dot point for Americans/Canadians, etc

JonathanReez

done

there's only one potential change

Zach Lipton

yeah?

JonathanReez

traveling to the UK could get a bit cheaer

thanks to the falling pound

but who knows for how long

Zach Lipton

true, and Brits won't be able to afford to go to the continent

Gayot Fow

@ZachLipton would you please update your answer to address the new parts of @JonathanReez question ... We need it more for Americans/Canadians than EU people

Zach Lipton

6:47 AM

my answer is "no." that no applies to everyone

I will try to clarify that

Gayot Fow

@ZachLipton Americans prefer their own paragraph. As soon as they see Article 50 they will think it's not relevant to them

You're obsessive compulsive. It's whack. Keep an external ledger that cross references each page of your passport to an ledger entry. Include images and make your ledger sortable, queryable, and etc. — Gayot Fow 2 mins ago

Zach Lipton

ok a new paragraph that also says "no changes"

yes, that means four paragraphs that each basically say "no" in a slightly different way

Gayot Fow

@ZachLipton It's starting to look canonical :)

you can add that the first round of changes MIGHT take place in 2018 so that everybody does not ask when

Zach Lipton

I wouldn't commit to that. It's certainly possible that things change sooner as a number of things could be done through UK law

chx

7:10 AM

@ZachLipton that answer might be a bit rushed

if the USA gets pissed (it might!) they will remove the UK from the VWP before you can say "opsie"

Zach Lipton

I don't think that's likely

I do think some changes over time are likely certainly, but the current answer is "no changes" and we can update that as there are, well, changes

I can add a note that things could change quickly

Relaxed

Anything is possible but visa/immigration/borders is actually one area where the UK kept its own policy anyway

Freedom of movement rights for EU citizens aside obviously

Zach Lipton

Alex Salmond is officially calling for a new Scottish referendum

chx

That was slow

Northern Ireland called it almost three hours ago...

Zach Lipton

Cameron is about to speak, apparently there's a rumor he's about to resign

mts

7:25 AM

Cameron should resign, he promised this referendum to get re-elected, that's what they call a pyrrhic victory, should call it Cameronic victory from now...

re-posted visa page question did annoy me a bit, wrote a comment as nicely as I could

2 close votes as unclear are not going to make him any more happy... but not from me

chx

He resigned

as of October

He just resigned.

Zach Lipton

interesting approach, which might help soothe the markets a bit. He'll basically block the way and not do anything (and not invoke article 50) until October

mts

@GayotFow I did look briefly to your blue girls Q, I think the only way to get a decent answer is to ask a blue girl... there are facebook groups but they are closed and I don't know anyone there and I like to keep my social media separated

and since you are obsessed about the votes (just kidding) I did upvote your Pamplona one - on the surface it seems more doable

CMaster

7:42 AM

Welp, Cameron more cowardly and deceitful than I'd though

t

chx

why was that deceitful?

CMaster

He said all along that he'd respect the results of the referendum, that he'd do whatever the people asked

and now he's going to just sit on his hands for 4 months

Gayot Fow

@mts Social engineering is a fine strategy!

Zach Lipton

the market is loving that part of the plan. just spend 4 months pretending this didn't happen and hope someone figures out a way out of this mess

CMaster

Yeah, apparently all the banks were begging for "no immediate article 50"

As much as I'm very unhappy with the result, I don't really agree

Gayot Fow

7:51 AM

@mts that's because we need to stay one step ahead of the whackos

Zach Lipton

yeah the original promise apparently was to invoke article 50 immediately

CMaster

Well, not sure he said those exact words

chx

I do not even know whom to ask at this hour -- does anyone have a handle on what might happen to the USD / CAD ratio?

It's quite vital to my life

CMaster

I wouldn't have anticipated this making a big change

although I guess Canada is getting increasingly tied up with the EU

chx

and with the UK too

oooo ca.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=USDCAD=X live ticker

Gayot Fow

7:55 AM

@JonathanReez @MarkMayo put an answer in. That means I could put one in also.

chx

I like it

this was 1.27 yesterday which I most decidedly didn't like.

neatly climbing up. I will sleep a little better. It's bad enough these people screwed up my brother's long term plans no need to completely bankrupt all five of us in one go as well.

Will Cameron just resign or call a general election?

CMaster

just resign

one of this "big" policies was fixed term parliaments

if Boris is the replacement, good odds on a new election though

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