And back on the internets after 8 days in Cuba

你好！

it's 10:24 and we have already 29.5°C in the office :(

@RoflcoptrException where is that?

Switzerland

so, you are complaining about 29.5c...

29.5 C in the office

I will just tell you it is almost 40 here.. just to make you feel better knowing there are worse places ;)

40C is not the problem if I dont have to work :)

or if it's 40C outside

humidity?

not really

maybe 30 - 40 %

then quit whining or come try HK(-:

I'm sure they have air condition there. the problem is that in CH, the buildings normally do not have AC

your sureness is wrong

:(

ok then I stop whining :)

cheap hostel...

@RoflcoptrException do you have formal dress code for the office?

no

at the moment I'm barefooted

but does your office dresscode specify bare feet? (-:

there is no dresscode. i wouldn't want to work for an office that has a dress code

(soft keyboard for desktop apps sucks on windows 8 tablets)

@RoflcoptrException I have a tag renaming job for you (posted on meta).

@hippietrail why the hell would you purchase a windows tablet?

@JoErNanO: why the hell would you assume i purchased it when you know i met a windows fanboi from a wealthy country a few days ago?

oh nooo even more work to do :)

one good thing about it is it will be ultra easy to prototype apps on it since it's just windows and i don't have to learn much new

done :)

@NeAnDerthal: which currency converter app do you use?

@hippietrail Ah good. I was afraid you might be morphing into a flashpacker. D

@RoflcoptrException Thanks. You can mark it as completed.

@RoflcoptrException You do know I have many more such renames to point out? :)

Are you ready?

philippine-citizens should probably be changed to filipino-ctizens

bangladesh-citizens should probably be changed to bangladeshi-citizens

@JoErNanO: no. halabi gave me some flashbaking experience but it's not my way

Flaskbaking? Is it that hot in HK?

:)

in hk we may have the beginnings of a flash flood

iran-citizens should probably be changed to iranian-citizens

and maybe even have persian-citizens synonymised into it

@RoflcoptrException Would you rather I created a meta post?

@JoErNanO you're making a lot of tags for citizens

with description '....about people travelling on [X] passports"

but that's not necesarily the cas

@MarkMayo Yes. Copying them from other tag descriptions.

well you're also changing them

How so?

for exmaple...

(I'm tired but) a South African citizen travelling on a NZ passport (eg me)

or a US citizen who wants to know if he can travel on his ID card (we've had that)

or a UK citizen who wanted to travel in teh UK using a driver's license (we've had that too)

changing the tag wiki wordings?

so I'd personally be pedantic and say it should just be 'about [X] citizens travelling] not "people travelling on [X] passports"

my two cents worth.

@MarkMayo Are you suggesting to change all the tag excerpts because a UK citizen might not actually be travelling with their UK passport? If so note that it'll entail an enormous amount of editing.

I'm not saying you're wrong, of course.

I'm just saying don't add new ones

then we can look at what exists already

The way I edit these tags is I copy-paste from existing ones.

Ok. Care to create a meta post once you're less tired? :)

as you changed one about 'citizens of socialist Vietnam' to 'travelling on Vietnamese passports' and that got my attention and wondering.

@MarkMayo: i've thought about that a few times over the years and reckon x-citizens and x-passports are different but people would mix them up if we differentiated them

we could combine them but i can't think of any way to word a tag that would fit and obviously cover both citizens and passports

@hippietrail I'm not saying we split them. I'm just saying when the tag is [x-citizens] the description should be that too. Then if the qusetion is about passports too, add passports

(if appropriate)

questions about people travelling with an australian passport are not necessarily passport questions

they're much more like citizenship questions

questions about passports are questions about the documents

yeah, like I said - if appropriate.

the kind of questions the tags are for are the various issues you face travelling as a holder of a travel document of country X

but most of the time it wouldn't be appropriate

the SE rules say a tag is only appropriate if it would be appropriate even if it were the only tag on a question

so they can combine like unions in sets but they can't combine like adjectives in languages

yeah I'm less concerned with the passport tag, and more with making passports a mandatory word in the [x-citizens] descriptions as is happening

because it should be for questions about the citizens, and not only if they have passports

so anyway when i've thought about it before i think the best way was to just pick X-citizens as the tag wording and put in the wikitext that it covers people travelling with a document from X and say why and say why the tag name couldn't cover it in full

indeed we could have a question about a US Citizen travelling in USA which doesn't need a passport, or even a Chileno travelling in South America (they've got some shared ID card now, so don't need a passport to travel)

i'm thinking more of palestinians i've met who have passports from some other middle eastern country where they don't live. or people i've met who only ever lived in kuwait but have passports from where there ancestors were from. or stuff along those lines since i don't really understand it all

yeah at the end of the day the site is about problems travellers face and the tags are to kind of group and classify the problems. so tags must be problem-centric

it's worth a whole meta discussion but those either end up having almost no comments are big arguments nobody agrees on (-:

@hippietrail Why do you fear meta so much? :D

not fear just experience

Ah, these old-timers.

All jokes aside I get your point but it nevertheless makes sense to poll the community.

And by the community I mean those (un)lucky enough to stumble on meta whilst the discussion is in progress. :D

linky pleasey

i wonder if i can get a cheap new netbook in hk or just get the battery rebuilt in guangzhou

hmm no compass in the tablet so no compass app. bing maps preview says the device lacks capabilities. can't find offline maps of china

@hippietrail Link for what?

@JoErNanO: the meta discussion in progress

@hippietrail I asked @MarkMayo to initiate it. He's got the right words to phrase it. :)

@hippietrail I do not really use them..

if I had to then google.. I usually use the ATM or exchange back home, we get good prices there..

Does visiting a live refugee camp that does not have a UNESCO certificate qualify as "morbid curiosity"?

@GayotFow Why?

@DylanMcGrath Wanna see something cool?

ted.com/talks/…

@JoErNanO Why not?