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12:46 AM
@M.A.R. This is a place to toss stuff to get it out of the flow of the main event room?
 
1:16 AM
Melanie dumped some questions in Spring Cleaning last night, I'm dumping them here so that we can look through them.
chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/28007/… I think this question is fine, but this answer needs deletion. In fact, I'm going to use my mod capacity to nuke it. I don't care what you guys say, this sort of thing shouldn't exist on the site.
ok, nvm, I've cleaned them up on the main room
 
 
15 hours later…
4:24 PM
Need help retagging this one:
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Q: Thermal Decomposition of metal oxides

user7141Does thermal decomposition of metal oxides always produces oxygen?

Not sure if a more specific tag exists .. isn't the best fit. , maybe?
 
@hBy2Py Or [metallurgy]
Maybe
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Q: How to identify a substance acting as an acid

confused For question ii, it asks to state a reaction showing $\ce{H2SO4}$ acid acting as an acid. What does it mean acting as an acid? Donating a proton? Very confused as to what to look for. The answer is reaction 1. because it is an acid + metal oxide? But reaction 4. shows a metal and an acid -...

 
Oh cool
Does that mean I can flag his answer as NAA?
 
heheheheh, I think so?
 
@orthocresol No, this is actually a pretty good question, as long as it's not a dupe of something else.
 
hm ok
not opposed to keeping it
just wanted to put it out there for consideration
 
I'll answer after the event
or, well, it'll be pretty fast, I'll just answer now
 
think that if its made into a question about passivation of aluminium, then its not bad
 
Lemme throw together an answer, see what you think.
 
4:47 PM
okay
 
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Q: What in general will determine whether a chemical reaction will occur?

humanitiesclinicThis probably is (too) huge a question, just like Is there a general way to predict products of a chemical reaction. However, it is still a valid question to ask, given that its sister (or mother) field, Physics, which I am much more acquainted with, is progressing towards the direction of a unif...

 
@M.A.R.
 
@orthocresol Like so
Permission to radically edit this question to fit the answers?
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Q: Why is coating with an oxide considered oxidation

CatersI looked up the word oxidize and one of the definitions is to make it an oxide which is what happens when iron gets rusty(even though there is also iron hydroxide in rust). Another was to coat with an oxide. Now how is coating with an oxide oxidation? Does it catalyze the oxidation by making it...

Or should we just nuke?
 
5:02 PM
@hBy2Py Editing sounds better
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Q: Will there be hydrolysis of starch at different temperatures and with different solvents?

user5425Will be there any positive reaction with Lugol's Solution: Starch with $\ce{HCl}$ on 100 °C? Starch with $\ce{HCl}$ on 37 °C? Starch with $\ce{H2O}$ on 100 °C? Starch with $\ce{H2O}$ on 37 °C? starch with Amylase from saliva on 100 °C? Starch with Amylase from saliva on 37 °C? Is the pH neutr...

 
@M.A.R. Concur
@M.A.R. <nod>, seems like there's salvageable stuff there
Also, we seem to not be using this room as you intended
 
@hBy2Py Meh, let's not be bureaucratic :)
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A: The Hygroscopic Nature of KOH

DissenterEDIT: actually, wouldn't carbon dioxide be non-polar and therefore not have any partial charges? The molecule is linear and symmetrical. It should be non-polar. Therefore, I ask, how does carbon act as an electrophile if it has no partial charge? EDIT 2 (Answer): Okay, I got it. I have to look ...

WTH to do with this?
 
@M.A.R. This must be one of D's early questions
 
Yah
 
There's only one upvote across the whole thing. I vote .
Title doesn't even match the content
 
5:09 PM
Yeah.
 
@hBy2Py You requested nuking?
 
See the es above
@M.A.R. @Loong here
@M.A.R. @Loong here
I think it's just these two at present
 
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Q: What is Redox reaction? Is it really possible?

Ravindra SahayI was a reading a book that a senior gave me, it said that redox is a type of reaction in which both reduction and oxidation take place. I know about oxidation but not reduction. After googling reduction reaction I found it's simply just the opposite. But then how can a reduction and oxidation ta...

[cv-pls] Too Broad
 
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Q: Why are cellphone batteries are still bad?

Conrad CThere are constantly new features added to cellphones over the years, but it seems like batteries are not getting any better. Why is that?

Soooo very off-topic
, since it probably can't be migrated (if such were even desirable)
 
5:21 PM
Concur
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Q: Does anything like this covalent concerted bond exchange reaction exist?

user5475I'm wondering if any reaction pathway exists (not involving enzymes) to do the following in aqueous solvent at temperatures < ~100°C: To clarify, it's important however that the reaction is concerted, and that the W - X and Y - Z bonds are not broken until both the W-Y and X-Z bonds are forme...

 
@hBy2Py ok
 
What to do with this?
I don't even know what tags to use
 
organic
 
Mmmaybe
 
question borders on 'too broad' from the "is there a ...?" perspective, but it's actually a really specific request
 
5:23 PM
It's kinda TB, don't you think?
 
Well, look at Klaus's answer
 
Jinx
@hBy2Py There are infinitely many possible answers, theoretically
 
<nod>
 
@hBy2Py have nuked
 
I guess closing as too broad but not nuking is probably warranted.
 
5:24 PM
Not nuke
 
@orthocresol Arigatoo
 
But close
 
Klaus's answer is wrong, actually.
Olefin metathesis isn't concerted
 
aha.
 
so is Martin's
Wittig isn't concerted
 
5:25 PM
LOL
 
The only possibility I can think of right now is a sigma bond metathesis with some organometallics. However, I also doubt those will survive aqueous conditions.
 
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Q: Constraints on "R" groups for Olefin Cross Metathesis (CM)

user5475Please consider the Olefin Cross Metathesis (CM) reaction shown on the upper-right-hand side of pg. 2 here: https://www.chem.umn.edu/groups/harned/classes/8322/lectures/15Olefin_Metathesis.pdf What are the constraints on the R1/R2/R3/R4 groups? Can all of these Ri groups be, for example, polyal...

 
@M.A.R. tempted to nuke
 
Useless answer, question with broken link
 
<nod>, question is broken w/o resource
not worth the time to fix
low stakes for OP and answer
 
5:28 PM
Actually, the resource is unlikely to be anything important.
It is probably a generic diagram for olefin metathesis.
However, it's still meh
 
<-- not ochem savvy
So, I'd need the diagram
 
<-- not ochem savvy either
 
As in I could just put in the intended diagram
but I don't feel like bothering with such a crappy answer
 
<nod>, the answer doesn't touch the actual question
 
@M.A.R. is trying very hard to pad his helpful flag count
 
5:30 PM
Should we be saving useful content to the GH?
(if there has been any)
 
If you'd like to, I suppose.
 
@orthocresol Or make a record of stuff removed . . . ಠ_ಠ
 
well technically everything is recorded here...
 
And I guess even deleted posts can be recovered, if OP comes calling and has a good argument for it being restored.
So.
Enh.
 
@M.A.R. I also nuked this, since both of you agreed on it.
 
5:32 PM
Shrug Lists are easier to work with than messy chat transcripts
 
No, just to be clear, I have nothing against you flagging stuff, I was just poking fun.
 
@orthocresol Yeah, it was really disjointed
This is going to take forever
will be worse
 
I'm still thinking about the concerted bond breaking thingum, I wonder if it can be rescued
 
by the new green gooey meta post philosophy, I think it ultimately is VTC too broad
 
ya, it is tb
 
5:36 PM
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Q: Hydrogen and Oxygen explosion

RashidI made an electrolyzer which is powered by a car battery and it is supposed to make oxygen and hydrogen that will be used in car engine instead of air. I was testing it to see how much gas it produces so I used a balloon and after about 2mins there was an explosion with a laud sound and my contai...

"Let's give all the kiddies out there really dangerous ideas!!"
 
regarding Martin's hint-answer, if all of us downvote it, roomba will automatically delete it
 
Which one's that/
 
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Q: How to identify a substance acting as an acid

confused For question ii, it asks to state a reaction showing $\ce{H2SO4}$ acid acting as an acid. What does it mean acting as an acid? Donating a proton? Very confused as to what to look for. The answer is reaction 1. because it is an acid + metal oxide? But reaction 4. shows a metal and an acid -...

 
Thanks, done.
 
however, I don't mind nuking it now, as long as you guys stand by it ;)
LOL
 
5:39 PM
I think the system is gonna catch me serially upvoting ron
 
<shrugh>
he doesn't need the rep
if it gets reversed, no biggie
@hBy2Py Is this one worth editing/rescuing, @ortho / @M.A.R.?
 
mixing O2 and H2 in an engine...
....
.......
 
I know, it's a really bad idea what he did
Not going to work, and preposterously dangerous
 
NUKE NUKE NUKE
 
Not much rep on the line ... K_P appears to have been idle for at least a year
 
5:42 PM
well, Martin would say that he would prefer a strongly worded negative answer, but well...
 
am inclined toward nuke
 
yes... we can mix some H2 and O2 below this question
 
KAPLOOOOMB
 
oh goodness
the link even goes to a fake science site
 
haha
 
5:46 PM
> Let's start with colloidal silver. This is a very basic and wholly safe liquid which is distilled water which has very tiny particles of pure silver in it. Each particle of silver is given an electrical charge and the particles are so tiny that they never settle out of the water. The treatment is to take a teaspoonful of the water in your mouth four or five times per day. It is tasteless and safe.
> You can buy it made up (and labelled 'not for consumption' by the supplier for fear of the pill manufacturers) or you can make it very easily yourself in just a few minutes. What happens is that the charged particles are so small that they migrate from your mouth into your bloodstream within one minute. There they circulate around your body and when they encounter an infecting microbe, they enter the microbe and kill it.
> Cancer is those microbes hijacking the essential replication mechanism of your own cells making them multiply when they shouldn't. Due to their very small size, the silver particles destroy the hijacker and restore the cells to full health again. That happens anywhere that blood goes in your body and I have not yet heard of any disease which colloidal silver does not deal with, including diseases which the medical profession honestly believe are incurable.
LOL
@hBy2Py
Thoughts on this?
 
@ortho, your input here would be helpful, in terms of question quality and the usefulness of the one answer
 
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Q: Hydrogen Peroxide and Compressed Air

jimshipsI need a little help as a non-chemist. I would like to inject (under pressure or vacuum) metered $\ce{H2O2}$ into a compressed air stream, but I am under the impression this mixing causes a rapid (near instantaneous) decomposition of the $\ce{H2O2}$ into $\ce{H2O}$ and $\ce{O2}$. Is there a ...

 
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Q: Is an SN1 mechanism feasible for allylic and benzylic carbocations?

DissenterMy teacher stated that allylic carbocations are comparable in stability to tertiary carbocations. $\def\SN#1{\mathrm{S_N}#1}$ With this in mind I am confused why this MIT practice test states that these two molecules are only expected to undergo $\SN 2$ reactions: An $\SN 1$ reaction on th...

@orthocresol Since it's closed, prob just downvote and let roomba work
 
I already did so. Looking at the sn1 one now
 
Did I format SNx correctly in the question?
 
5:49 PM
yes
 
If the answer's worth keeping, I can format it there, too.
 
it's entirely correct, but it's also a non-answer
I'll convert to comment
hmm
the answer should be a comment
and the comment should be an answer
:/
 
Definitely check the linked practice test.
It specifies solvents for putative SN1 and SN2 mechanisms
Greg E clearly didn't find the time to write up his answer.
He's been idle for over 2yrs now
 
@hBy2Py I have incorporated his comment into the answer.
 
<nod>, I'm watching your work
 
5:55 PM
nice use of $\SN i$
 
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Q: How to do this reaction - adding 2 different groups to an alkyne with 2 terminal hydrogens?

qsera How to add a methyl group and an ethyl group to an alkyne with 2 terminal hydrogens separately?

 
@orthocresol LaTeX is great for sly tricks like that
 
@hBy2Py okiedokie, I think that question can stand.
 
<nod>, I rather like it
 
@M.A.R.
this one seems dangerous too:
Short-term memory loss.
Hi, I'm Dory
 
5:58 PM
Just keep tagging, just keep tagging...
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Q: How can m-cresol exist, given that -OH group is activating and should be o-, p-directing?

KelvinHow is it possible for m-cresol to exist? The $\ce{-OH}$ group is a ring activating group, and hence should be o-, p- directing.

too broad?
 
@orthocresol Hi, are you lost?
 
@orthocresol HHEEEEEELLLLOOOOOOO HOOOWOOWWWWWWWAAAAAAAUAUUURRRRRRHRRHH HHHHHHGHHYYOYYOYUUUUUU?!?!?
@hBy2Py I think this one might be all right...?
 
I was watching Finding Dory on the plane to London, when the plane suddenly lost altitude.
 
Uh. Yipes.
 
Obviously didn't die, but was a bit scary.. can't remmeber what the pilot said too.
I think it's okay, however, it should probably be edited.
 
6:02 PM
I'm working on the toluidine answer now
Is my minor edit to the OP ok?
 
I've edited it, because otherwise, I will be very tempted to close it under purple zone.
 
Now that I'm neck-deep -- is there anything worth saving in the m-toluidine answer?
 
He thinks that (1) cannot be made by electrophilic substitution = cannot be made at all; (2) activating group = 2,4-directing. There is a relationship, but it's not cause and effect.
hm
 
<nod>, much too limited a perspective on the thing
 
i was wondering about that too
 
6:06 PM
Should probably cull the comments to the question on the m-cresol
 
I think we can leave that answer there, although feel free to dv if you want.
I looked into why this user's account was deleted. Turns out he self-deleted his account with a nasty farewell message...
 
hooh.
 
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Q: Stoichiometric coefficients in the formation equation of AlBr3

MikeIn a balanced chemical equation are the molecules or the coefficients equal? When the equation $\ce{\_~Al + \_~Br2 -> \_~AlBr3}$ is balanced, the coefficient for $\ce{Al}$ is?

 
I mean, just like that v recent meta post (since deleted?) our approach to onboarding new community members is pretty unforgiving
 
And the last one
NUKE FROM ORBIT
 
6:08 PM
@M.A.R.
 
@M.A.R. DV's rons answer to let roomba work
oh
 
ron probably gets like 500 upvotes every day from all his old answers, he won't even notice this
 
That m-toluidine answer is really stupid
 
Aaand we're done
How many?
 
"You can make X via intermediate Y. However, using intermediate Y is actually harder than making X some other way."
guh.
DV and done with it.
 
6:11 PM
Good job everyone
 
@M.A.R. I handled 705 through 716, which I already cleared from the spreadsheet.
 
I only cleared about ten of them, sadly
Heavy editing
plus a new answer
#64 needs more attention
 
well, that's probably a good thing
 
@M.A.R. Now the event's done, should we delete the completed rows?
 
@hBy2Py Oh, I forgot to respond to this. If you want to edit the question.... hold on...
 
6:13 PM
@hBy2Py I just did mine
 
@M.A.R. ok, will do mine too
@orthocresol I feel like it should've been VTC unclear at the outset
 
if you want to edit the question, feel free to, it's too old
the answers though
 
<nod>
 
aren't answering the question..
man
 
Exactly
The question would have to be completely rewritten
And it's a fuzzy vague thing anyways
 
6:15 PM
nuke....
 
I think it'd be a purple zone question in the new paradigm
Dissenter's answer is worth keeping
I'mma put it to the GH
one sec
 
@orthocresol Ok, nuke
 
might i suggest that you just delete the entire rows in the spreadsheet
saves us scrolling down next time
 
<nod>, I will
 
6:19 PM
or maybe he did it out of consideration since your questions were below
 
oh
@ortho, go ahead and delete his empty rows; I want to see if my view follows the deletion or gets left behind
 
Done
 
@M.A.R. See ^^. My view didn't budge from the rows I was looking at.
So, I think we can delete rows at will during events w/o worrying about people's views wandering
@hBy2Py DONE, Dissenter's answer is now in the GH here.
room topic changed to Spring Cleaning Dump Discussion: Dumpy dump dump. Mart ಠ_ಠ (no tags)
room topic changed to Spring Cleaning Dump: Dumpy dump dump. Mart ಠ_ಠ (no tags)
 
6:37 PM
@M.A.R. @ortho I think this one should be VTC, at minimum:
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Q: Does the rate function of an elementary reaction depend on the other steps of the mechanism?

TobiRA question came to my mind. Is the rate function of an elementary reaction influenced by the other steps of the mechanism? I wonder whether the shape (not the values) of the function $r(c)$ belonging to the given elementary reaction changes or not as a step of an other mechanism? Thank you for t...

 
will leave it to you guys
 

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