My jokes about presidents are not appreciated here, because of some communist McCarthyist intolerance and pretended hyper sensitivity of some certain privileged groups. I'm expecting another warning. There's a pretty bad attitude around here to be a social informal chatroom.

@LocalFluff I am not sure what you mean with that meta-comment

@Hohmannfan When I make a perfectly harmless and funny joke like "JFK put a man on the Moon, Obama put a man on the ladies' loo", it gets erased and I get a warning here.

That's McCarthyism and North Korean censorship at its extreme.

@LocalFluff I don't have a problem with Oreo space rafts, but the problem with the Obama comment is not that you're joking about a president but that you're implying that a transwoman is a man.

@called2voyage @LocalFluff Can we please not take that here though. It is not relevant to a space exploration chat unless you identify as a SSTO.

@Hohmannfan I agree, I was explaining to Local what the issue was. If a discussion is needed, I agree it should take place in another chat room.

I'd have no problem in the world with Obama putting a transwoman on the Moon. He just didn't have that much of an ambition or ability. If Buzz Aldrin said that he has changed his gender identity, would you understand the joke then? He could title his autobiography "From the Moon to the ladies loo". This whole transgender topic is engineered with the sole purpose of being "PC sensitive" and motivate oppression and make people shut up and stop thinking and stop laughing.

Again, not here.

Further comments will be removed as we do not want to have this debate in the general space chat room.

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@LocalFluff I don't really want to hold this debate myself. I've already stated what the distinction is to me as a moderator. You share a different view about gender issues, and I understand that. However, as this is a topic that is likely to invite discussion, I have moved it to another room.

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@called2voyage No, I don't think I hold any other opinion than you on the gender issue. What makes you think that?

> This whole transgender topic is engineered with the sole purpose of being "PC sensitive"

That opinion differs from mine. And I'm going to leave it at that

I just realized I created this as an Astro chat room...whoops

room parent site changed to space.stackexchange.com

Confused astronomers will arrive soon :)

@Hohmannfan I fixed it

The politics of it, yes. That is obvious, that is why you are doing this to me now. But I fully respect anyone's freedom to define its gender, I think we agree on that. It is the politics of intolerance and false "PC sensitivity" that we disagree on.

@LocalFluff Yes, that sums it up.

However, us agreeing with you or not is not the important here, in fact, I mostly agree with you. Discuss it here with whoever wants, but leave the main chat for topics less likely to derail the general discussion.

Gender and climate are topics that people always have made jokes about, but now the intolerance of this North Korean McCarthyism has ended this. Yuri Maltsev, the last defector from the Soviet Union and Gorbachev adviser, said that in Soviet the only thing one was allowed to discuss about the news paper Pravda was the weather. But now in the US the weather has become the most taboo topic! And it is even worse with gender issue. We need to lighten up a bit.

@LocalFluff You do realize that this is a private venue owned by Stack Overflow, right? We adhere to their policies. You may disagree with them, but it is not an infringement on your rights.

Sure! I'm just saying that it is detrimental to the future of this site to be so extremely political and intolerant that one has to think twice about making a joke even about space.