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meer2kat
meer2kat
12:10 PM
A fun topic of debate for the day: Should something be considered mistreatment if the being in question has never known any different? Alternatively, how do mistreated beings react to proper treatment after having known nothing else?

Related topics: human rights, animal rights, plant rights (is that a thing?), Aristotle, Plato's "Allegory of the Cave"
also dystopia, social change
 
skullpatrol
skullpatrol
9000 days later :-)
 
meer2kat
meer2kat
@skullpatrol lol!
@skullpatrol hopefully someone answers
 
skullpatrol
skullpatrol
:D
 
meer2kat
meer2kat
:)
@karlkronefield, you're here! what were you saying?
 
Karl Kronenfeld
Karl Kronenfeld
@meer2kat Nothing too spectacular. After thinking some more, I decided that it may be prudent to divide between mistreatment which produces a measurable physical harm and that which does not.
 
skullpatrol
skullpatrol
12:18 PM
in Mathematics, 7 mins ago, by Karl Kronenfeld
@meer2kat When given the chance to avoid mistreatment, would a mistreated sentient being take it?
 
meer2kat
meer2kat
@KarlKronenfeld yes i am wondering which would be more interesting to discuss. the physical harm side would include everything from domestic violence to slavery to animal abuse whereas the other side would be more narrow
Having experienced nothing else, it would of course follow that first off, the individual does not know that they are being mistreated. Would a mistreated being therefore be interested in another way of life, or much like in "Allegory of the Cave", would the individual insist that other ways of life are an allusion?
 
Karl Kronenfeld
Karl Kronenfeld
What I was attempting to get at is this: I think that physical harm objectively causes damage, making it believable that a being harmed in this way would know that it is being mistreated.
 
meer2kat
meer2kat
@KarlKronenfeld In some cases I would agree with you, but not all. For example, have you heard of the Stockholm Syndrome? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
 
Mitch
Mitch
12:33 PM
@meer2kat Is that like considering hunter-gatherers in the rainforest as being homeless and destitute?
 
meer2kat
meer2kat
@Mitch In some cases yes. Would we actually be pushing our ways unto them? Like social imperialists?
 
Karl Kronenfeld
Karl Kronenfeld
@meer2kat Quite interesting.
 
meer2kat
meer2kat
or are rights absolute and universal?
 
Mitch
Mitch
Like being poor is only relative. We live better than kings of the past ever did.
And carnivores should be stopped from committing murder.
 
skullpatrol
skullpatrol
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A: Question on learning type in Plato Cave Allegory

TamesOne intepretation for the Allegory of the Cave is that a person would get released through διαλεκτική (dialetic), this is what would allow the person to free from the chains imobilizing him/her inside the cave and also it would enable escalating the way out of it. The prisioner who manages to e...

 
 
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meer2kat
meer2kat
2:28 PM
@Mitch Perhaps. I'm not sure. Everything is relative to something, afterall. I guess it's a question really of what is inherently right and inherently wrong, if such a concept can truly exist.
@skullpatrol It is important. The truth is though when he came back they wanted nothing to do with him.
 

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