BSE Politics - 2017-06-24

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12:00 AM

Personally, i don't see any issues with immigration. People should come and go anywhere without having to worry about whatever.

I wholeheartedly agree.

They have no immigration problems within a country, but suddenly, if its the next nation over its a big issue.

think about it- a lot of islamic man, who have the rights to bring their families to Europe (European Union law). Also- average European family is 2+1 and islamic is 2+5-10. How much time do you think it'll take to make islamic population be more

@PaulGonet So?

If islamic people have more kids there will be more of them. It just is.

I wouldn't stress it.

I mean there are risks to being a racial ethnic minority - they are rarely treated well, but that is inevitable with current trends. Maybe if we focus on a culture of acceptance - it will become less of an issue when the tables "turn".

Yes, they are trying to settle and take over Europe- that's a fact

Jobs: People are somtimes scared immigrants will take your jobs. If the immigrant can do your job better than you, and for less pay, i say let them. you should have been a better worker
Religeon/different social beliefs.: this is the 21st century, ge over it. your view is not the only view and it may not even be the right view. as long as they aren't activily murdering you or something, they're cool in my book.
political instability: I know nothing about politics, so ima stay out of that, i would assume thpugh, that the nation of europe are prepared enough to have immigrants, and if the sys…

12:03 AM

@PaulGonet The reason is because Europe and the united states turned their homeland into a warzone.

@PaulGonet i think what cow and i are misssing is why this is an issue to you

It's the main subject of Quran

Jews are an ethinic minority in the USA, so are mexicans in some areas. i give no shenanigans

@PaulGonet But are they actually believe in that interpretation. There is some pretty hokey stuff in nearly all religious texts.

What the book says does not matter, it is how it is being interpreted that defines a religion.

And persecution is one of the best ways possible to ensure the worst interpretations come to the forfront.

@PaulGonet do you have a religeon or belief if you don't mind me asking? it might help us understand where you're coming from

12:06 AM

@GiantCowFilms yes they are, but show me the christian's terror attack in europe lately. all was done by islamic people

A religious mandate to settle Europe sounds a lot more appealing when your house in Afghanistan is being bombed.

@PaulGonet Except the most recent one. . .

@PaulGonet oh you're one of those people who are scared of all islamic people. XD

we're done here

@PaulGonet nytimes.com/2017/06/18/world/europe/…

^^There you go

the things that are going in Europe is an islamic HOLY WAR with christianity

Besides, blaming a religion for its terrorist zealots and nutjobs is a massive part to whole fallacy.

12:08 AM

you may tell I am an idiot but that's what it is

@GiantCowFilms one of those things you wish you could star more than once

@PaulGonet I highly doubt that.

And, I feel that doctrine has been emphasized by the misdeads of the west in those countries

@PaulGonet im not trying to tell you youre an idiot, mate. im just say (and you did ask for our thoughts) that all islamic people dont have it out to kill you.

how many muslims do you know personally?

@GiantCowFilms haha ok, so wait until the muslims will take over france and create their own caliphate

@GiantCowFilms @scalia you know nothing Jon Snow :)

@PaulGonet now hold on, nobody is throwing insults here

answer the question

12:13 AM

@PaulGonet I doubt the religious zealousness is there for that to happen.

That's why I asked where are you from. TV propaganda in some areas may create the pople who doesn't see the problem

@PaulGonet I don't see it has a problem.

@PaulGonet so we asked someone who lived there (you). and all weǘe gotten is insults and speculation

How do you explain the dislikes on this youtube movie?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxbdvo2vFwc&spfreload=9

If islamic imigrants are so welcome, then why there aro so many dislikes?

and why YT remove dislikes?

@PaulGonet they arent welcome. because people like you

12:16 AM

@scalia you live in USA rigt?

@PaulGonet They aren't welcome. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be welcome.

2

^

@PaulGonet yes, what about it

besides it just takes one large following ultra-racist website to get a video disliked that much.

This is the situation where the vocal minority against is far louder than the passive majority that is for it.

@scalia so you don't know the european's imigrant problem

@PaulGonet im asking you to explain it to me

12:17 AM

you don't know about NO-GO ZONES, right? Do you?

and you don't know muslims

@PaulGonet nope, tell me about them

@scalia that's why you don't understand the problem

type the NO-GO areas zones in google

@PaulGonet SO DO SOME GODDAMN EXPLAINING!

@PaulGonet Where I live, there are a huge amount of immigrants. Massive. Our local tech giants employ thousands of them from over seas every year. And they are perfectly good people. I don't care if they have a different culture. They are making our nation richer, and they are good people who deserve a chance.

and you'll change your mind about islamic community

12:19 AM

@PaulGonet oh those. LOL

we have those here too.

we just havent named them

And you're happy with it?

guess who ussulay lives in those, in the USA?

its white trash

not muslims, white people

@PaulGonet There are NO-GO zones in most major city. The gang-ridden poverty areas. You have a bunch of hated war refugees from third world countries with no money. Of course you are going to end up with a poverty zone, and all the issues that intails. The best fix for this is to simply help uplift these migrants and give them a chance. It just takes a few, poor desperate traumatized teenagers to start a gang problem. You cannot paint the entire culture with their brush.

you call white people a 'white trash'? WOW

I'll straight up admit, right here, im a racist

i've never been a fan of white people or the way they as a culture treat other people

doesn't mean theyre all like that

or even that most of them are

12:22 AM

@PaulGonet The important thing is that POVERTY makes NO-GO zones, not culture or background

The immigrants who move here get six figure tech jobs right of the bat. They are just fine. Why? Because they actually have hope, a future, and jobs.

im not against white people, @PaulGonet just white culture of bigotry and fear of others, when they are the most hateful

My parents immigrated to the united states. They had very little money. Fortunately my Dad had a very lucrative job from the get-go. However, it was still a struggle initially. I cannot imagine how hard it would be to recover from that when there is no work available most of the time, and if it available, it minimum wage labor. No wonder people turn to crime....

OK bla bla bla. How do you explain that in Brussels there are a lot of islamic NO-GO zones and a lot of terror attacks there with a lot of extremists terrorizing the citizens?

@PaulGonet A lot of terrorist. Like 20 maybe... 20 is not allot of people.

Have you heard of recend islamic terror attacks?

12:24 AM

@PaulGonet how do explain taht ive asked you a question like 30 years ago and not gotten an answer? im done answering your questions until you stop avoiding mine

where they blown little children at the Ariana Grande concert e.g.

?

As I said, NO-GO zones are a by-product of the desperate poverty of the migrants, who are often blocked from working by racist anti-migrant laws.

@PaulGonet If you add up the people involved, it just takes a handful of nuttos....

@PaulGonet that was done by 2 people

not a lot

i think, maybe 3

done by 2 islamic people- result in hundreds of deaths.

Some fuel for the fire:

47

Q: Are right-wing extremists a bigger terrorist threat than islamic extremists in the USA?

The Cato Institute claims the following (my highlight): The ongoing controversy and litigation over the Trump administration’s “Muslim ban” has reignited a debate that has raged since the 9/11 attacks: Who commits more domestic terrorism–violent Salafists or traditional “right wing” extremist...

united-states terrorism

12:26 AM

@PaulGonet NO! done by two people

it doesnt fking matter that they were islamic

@scalia are you a muslim?

no

@PaulGonet Sure. But those are two nuttos. You cannot judge all the migrants based on those nuttos. Often they are nutto-ified by the racism they experience in their adopted country.

@PaulGonet How many muslims do you know?

oh and i told you where im from, where are you from?

@scalia if you're so peacefull-culture loving man, so how you explain that every terror attack in europe in last year was done by muslims?

12:29 AM

If you try to make someone as unwelcome as possible in your country, don't get suprised when a few take it the wrong way. A very few will end up taking it the very very wrong way. Those are tragedies, but their root causes stem to a complicated history of war, oil and politics.

@PaulGonet Except the one I linked too. . .

nytimes.com/2017/06/18/world/europe/…

@PaulGonet no. time for you to answer

I'm from Poland

And I'm proud to be polish

and how many muslims do you know?

furthermore, how many non-polish people do you know?

I don't know any muslims

@PaulGonet ah

how many people that arent polish do you know?

12:32 AM

I know many Australians, Americans, CZech, Belarusan, etc.

yes I know it, but Russians doesn't blow up in the name of their god

during world war two, weren't polish people looked down upon because (wikipedia) organized persecution of the Poles as a nation or as an ethnic group, often based on the belief that Polish interests are a threat to one's own national aspirations;

tell me., what religion allows you to blow up innocent people?

"polish interests are a threat to ones own interests?"

@PaulGonet no religeon

If you look at a larger timeline, the Russians have done a tone of very very bad things to Poland.

I haven't heard about many terror attack done by christians lately

12:34 AM

@PaulGonet i have

There was a christian shooter at a baseball game here in the states

about some political bullshit

guys, plese give me a minute to read your comments and answer them. I am not that english fluent

@PaulGonet There have been plenty in the US and Canada.

I think there was a christian man this month who went to try to kill muslims and ended up shooting two random other non-muslims

@PaulGonet okay

@PaulGonet I keep linking this one, for starters: nytimes.com/2017/06/18/world/europe/…

@PaulGonet Read the answer gandalf3 linked as well. Apparently far right extremists have done as much killing as Muslim extremists in the states since 911.

I know two families of muslims, and 4 seperate muslim individuals

none of them have tried to kill me

12:39 AM

And if you go back further, the crimes committed against black people during the era of slavery by white Christians are on a completely different scale to any Muslim terrorism.

@GiantCowFilms you show me the ONE AND ONLY example of a white man who did it in a past year. ONE AND ONLY. Please compare this to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Manchester_Arena_bombing , telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/03/… , bbc.com/news/world-europe-30708237

also, it's kind of REVENGE

@PaulGonet and you wonder why i call them white trash

me and my girlfriend regularly eat dinner with one of those familys. I go to school with like i said 4 seperate islamic individuals, i've gone to a satturday evening meeting at a mosque. the dude gave a sermon (in english) about raising children.

@PaulGonet In much the same way those attacks are revenge for the tens of thousands of civilians western militaries killed while fighting over oil in the middle east.

and so far i havent been shot or threatened

@GiantCowFilms , @Scalia guys, our conversation is going to the dangerous fields. I don't want to be a guy who hates people in your eyes. I am a peaceful guy

12:43 AM

@PaulGonet but you do hate people... so what hiding it from our eyes supposed to do?

what I want to show you is a islamic imigration problem which is dangerous for Europe

tell what you want but it IS dangerous

@PaulGonet and you asked our thoughts and my thought is "dont sweat it. muslims arent evil."

@scalia you said you're a racist- you hate people too ;P

Exactly. And most of what they are doing to you is a small reflection of what you've done to them.

so we have differing opinions. lets agree to disagree. let me know if you die to a terrorist attack, until then i'll let you know everytime that i don't die to one

12:46 AM

They will tie religion into their killing, but ultimately this war with the west was started by western greed and meddling.

@PaulGonet disliking white culture isn't hate

I only analise the facts- and facts is- 95% of terror attacks are done by muslim terrorists

i can hate and aspect of a culture without hating the people

@PaulGonet what percentage of islamic people do terrorists attacks?

is it bad that I am worring about my country after seeing this dangerous situations happen?

@PaulGonet But if a Nato strike kills 90 innocent Afgans is that a terrorist attack? If you count that in, it suddenly is inverted.

This started with oil wars, not with the islamic religion.

12:48 AM

@PaulGonet 1.5 billion muslims, maybe less than 100 attack...

thats like hating hating cows because occasionally someone gets gored to death by one

@scalia 'disliking white culture isn't hate'. Okay, so I DISLIKE MUSLIMS. It isn't a hate

ima go to coldstone and get some icecream. bbl

@PaulGonet no no no. you missunderstand. I don't dislike whites. i dislike the culture

@PaulGonet Just because you dislike someone doesn't mean you have a moral right to ban them from your country.

@scalia what? you dislike white culture? Why?

I dislike Pepsi products, but people are still allowed to sell them, and that is the way it should remain.

12:51 AM

@PaulGonet because it promotes hate and fear of other cultures lol... for the exact reason we are having this converastion

White people did a lot of bad things to other cultures. I agree. The annihilation of Indians was the worst thing- I can't forgive

And, the "white" countries have a reputation for stealing other peoples oil, and taking over pretty much every part of the world at one point or another.

I dont live in europe, so i dont know what its like over there, but here, white people are stereotyped (incorrectly, because most white people are chill. i like them) but they are stereotyped as haters

@PaulGonet did implies it was a past thing. The western miltaries are still bombing the middle east. We are still massacring brown people to this day.

Iḿ a mexican and a jew... two races that white people tend to hate

@GiantCowFilms is white... we're still kinda friends

and thedissagreements we have have nothing to do with race

one of my neighbors is white. i mow her lawn for her every week and shovel her driveway in the winter

i dont hate white people

i hate the hate that they tend to breed

12:56 AM

I have a mexican friend (which I've met on Blender Cookie :)) and had a jewish friend when I studied. I am peaceful guy as I said. But trust me, the way the Europe is going isn't a good way

it's not only my opinion, but please google or search for YT movies about imigrant crisis, and you'll learn it isn't good for Europe

the mixing of cultures isn't a good idea

babel tower e.g.

every union based on different cultures have to fall

that's a fact

@PaulGonet you are speaking to person who is the embodyment of mixed culture

im sorry to have to say it, but get your head out of your @$$

im not a good idea?

oh. guess what, im not an idea. im a person

islam isnt a good religeon? oh guess what. muslims arent a religeon. theyre people

what have I said wrong, to make you such opinion about me?

3 mins ago, by Paul Gonet

the mixing of cultures isn't a good idea

the mixing of cultures is me

@PaulGonet Roughly 174 THOUSAND civilians have been murdered by the US and its allies in Iraq, and your surprised they attack back....

being against that is being against me

1:03 AM

@PaulGonet Uhm, that is a fable, not science. Or at the very least your belief, but not one that will sway agnostic readers.

@Scalia I'm a cow, so I'm white and black.....

see? another mixed culture XD

@PaulGonet Why not.

I think it works great where I live.

I know lots of mixed families, and they are perfectly happy, good people.

And I am glad I know them.

@scallia you jews were living among us poles. We respect you very much. we were saving each other lives during World War II

@PaulGonet than how are you so opposed to mixing culture?

I meanMixing- what I mean is the people, who come to our land and disrespect our laws- like muslim immigrants from africa

1:06 AM

@PaulGonet they dissrespect your law?

all of them?

yes they do. Please see what they do in France or Germany?

they want to sharia law for them

i would assume that there are police in poland? and there have been for longer than the immigration crisis... this would mean that polish people dissrespect polish law too... i guesss polish people must not beling in poland

>.<

it seems like muslims are the one and only nation who wants to force their laws in the land they visit

im against sharia law. i can agree with you there

+1 that. I would never ever vote for a candidate who believed in those thing.

1:10 AM

@scalia we like foreigners like americans, jews, australians, ukrainian etc. because they're polite people who share our culture

but what do i know about mixing cultures. right? maybe im wrong. im just a mexican-jewish kid with a mexican SO and a black roomate living in an ethnically diverse city. so obviously i dont know what im talking about

@PaulGonet jewish culture is the closest thing there is to muslim culture

islam don't share our culture. when do you understand that?

@PaulGonet neither does jewish

@scalia what culture? sharia law? treatining women like shit? in what points are your culture connected?

@PaulGonet Obviously, if people move to your country, they will have to obey the laws or go to prison. That is a given.

1:15 AM

@PaulGonet not sharia law.... you said politeness. the social customs of our two cultures are almost identical

that is no reason to kick them out. The majority don't seem to have a problem with this. We have plenty of muslims here in the states and no major issues.

@PaulGonet i understand that the cultures are different. i understand 100%. i dont understand why you think that all muslims are evil because there have been some crazy ones

sorry but I assume jewish culture as a real/high culture (soorry if I didn't spell it right- I'm not a english master) and arab culture (which allows you to rape young girls) isn't a culture att all IMO

@PaulGonet arab culture does not allow you to rape young girls any more than jewish or christian culture does.

Are you a christian?

@scalia no? so please read a curriculum vitae of Mahomet

I am a Christian

1:19 AM

thought so

hold on.. im finding the verse # thingy that points to thing in the bible

@scalia so... if I am a Christian- should we be the friends? ;)

@PaulGonet i have no problems being friends with christians

or you'll say I am the follower of the false prophet?

just because we don't believe the same things doesnt mean we cant be friends.

my step mom is catholic...

life is complicated

we follow different gods

1:22 AM

@PaulGonet life is a lot more complicated when you are scared of people you never met

these gods want us to fight each other

@PaulGonet no. i like jesus. he and i are tight . XD

but jesus also said to love your neighbor

and the conclusion should be: don't harm anybody

@PaulGonet dont ~~harm~~ hate anybody

this is the conclusion that universal god may have

harm=hate ;P

1:24 AM

@PaulGonet then stop harming the arabs. >:(

wait so since you said you're a christian, i think i know how to explain this to you. you know bible of the good samaritan?

I know :) I know :)

@PaulGonet There are also pretty sketchy passages in the bible. To me, its about the common interpretation used, rather than the text itself

Luke 10:25-37

but sometimes the logic should take advantage over heart :)

@PaulGonet are you aware of how much the jews of the time feared the samaritains? it was completely the same as the way europe fears the muslims

theres a part in teh bible where a guy rapes some chick, then cuts her up into a bunch of pieces and throws her in the street... im not scared that christians are gonna do that to me

or to my family or anyone i know

1:29 AM

@scalia I know. Maybe I am exagerating the problem. But I wan't to be a friend with you. I don't want to make this conversation divide us

we are the blenderstack family right :)?

@PaulGonet ok. :)

@GiantCowFilms oyu dissapeared and came back lol

I have a friend here on BSE. His name is TLousky. He's a jew. He helped me alooooot. I'll never be an enemy of jew. I think you're the smartest nation in the world

I say it honestly

yay

do you know any mexicans?

@PaulGonet Yes. That is very important

We must not be divided by our views.

But I still don't understand why you think I can't affraid of arabs

There is a conflict between your nation in Israeal and the Palestinians

They're arabs, right?

1:36 AM

@PaulGonet because i eat dinner every sunday with my girlfriend at a muslim families house adn then we play five card poker usually until 2 or 3 in the morning and they are super nice people who cook like angels and theres no reason to be afraid

I saw what they can do- bomb attacks, ramming by the truck etc.

@PaulGonet thats war. it has nothing to do with the fact that they are arabs

people do bad shit in war regardless of ethnicity or religeon

@scalia please give me 1 minute. I'll be back soon. Talking with you is a real pleasure

o/

I am back.

Do you think that naming the GERMAN CONCENTRATE CAMPS is a wrong think?

I am polish and Germany always try to hide their crime. They want to name it POLISH CAMPS

sorry, maybe it isn't a subject you want to talk about

1:53 AM

@PaulGonet what do you mean?

They're trying to blame it on the Polish?

you didn't know that?

No. I'm sadly not very aware of what goes on in Europe

even the american high official said that

polish gouvernment had to intervene about it

Either way, everyone knows it was the nazis... theres no changing that

but i can see how that would be a problem

Haha, not everyone actually. My sister is working in Germany and they're not teaching their citizens it was their fault. In every museum about nazizm there are no mention it was done by Germany

Do you believe it? :O

2:00 AM

@PaulGonet wow

@PaulGonet do i believe what

BTW (off topic question) Did I remember right that your name was Vince? I am BSE user for a longe time and I remember that your previous tag was Vince Scalia

Thats like in china, the citizens don't know about tinemen square massacre.

Do you believe that they hide the truth about their past mistakes?

@PaulGonet ph yeh its crazy/

And trying not to connect the german nation with nazi camps

2:02 AM

@PaulGonet thats my online name. my real name is Ward. :)

but you can call me vince

Ok, Hello Vince :)

or santa. most people call me santa. but i think that would be weird from someone ive never actually met

@PaulGonet hello. :)

funny fact is your name tag is the one of many others I remembered. The funniest fact is I always thouth you're an italian guy :)

don't know why haha

@PaulGonet scalia is an ittalian name i think... idk

I typed Scalia in google and there are americans who appeared

2:06 AM

@PaulGonet a supreme court justive from america was named scalia

anyway, what time is there in your country

?

probably italian origin though, we are a very mixed ciuntry

@PaulGonet it is 8 in the evening. the sun just set. but there are mountains here in C Springs, where i live, so it makes the sun set early

It's 4 a.m. in Poland

I have to go to sleep soon

It was nice to talk to you

@PaulGonet ok, you too.

bye

Sorry for my sharp position about islamic imigrants, but our polish tv is showing us the problem in the negative way

I am not hater

See you on BlenderStack

Expect some UV soon :D

Bye

2:26 AM

I wish all political conversations on the internet worked like this..

@gandalf3 @gandalf3 heck, id be happy if all political conversation on BSE went like this

lol

1 hour later…

3:50 AM

@gandalf3 IKR

I made it out without being called toxic.

17 hours later…

8:39 PM

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9:09 PM

also @GiantCowFilms i know you prolly dont have snapchat but what are your thoughts on snap map?

9:20 PM

@Scalia Hmm. I think it would be fine if they only geo-tagged posts, but they just constantly stream your location. That is unnecessarily risky. I would never ever opt into that.

It also a great way to have people you know gate crash all your events, lol.

9:36 PM

well, i mean you can turn it off

@Scalia Yes, but it is dumb even when turned on.

They could have designed it to make it less intrusive when on.

i think its just kinda ridiculous and pointless anyway

but so is snapchat in general....

somtimes

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