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5:05 AM
@DariusJahandarie I don't feel that sentence acceptable in the first expression, I think you should say "ジョンは", but when I think deeply ... (nightmare again)
@YangMuye I'm afraid the latter won't do. I'd say "彼来るかどうか、私には分かりません"
@YangMuye Hmm... this seems interesting, it's valid and don't strike me that 誕生日 lies outside.
 
5:31 AM
探す is to search an open place, while 探る is to search a veiled, hidden or inaccessible place
腹を探る must be sounding out somebody's feeling, or a pervert groping for one's body
腹を探す must be a surgeon looking for a tumor, or a biologist unsure of where is the creature's abdomen
@YangMuye In other viewpoint, it's true that だ can't obtain a decent grammatical status, because it's a contraction of である, much as we couldn't say what the English particle don't belongs. But I know it's not what you're trying to say :)
 
@broccoliforest You mean both 宝箱 and ジョン marked with は?
 
oh, I misread it, wait a minute
sorry, the sentence is correct
as long as
宝箱は [あるかどうかをジョンが分かっている]
 
Right!
I think when you have two animate subjects it doesn't work though.

太郎は[いるかどうかをジョンが分かっている]
Or at least that's my feeling.
It feels like a very pragmatic restriction.
 
5:48 AM
that's perhaps the matter of 分かる
太郎は [いるかどうかジョンが知っている]
people never understand each other :)
joking
ah, but it sounds not merely a joke
if I know that 太郎 and ジョン are telepaths communicating each other
I can say 太郎は[いるかどうかをジョンが分かっている]
or the speaker is so convinced
いるのは分かってるぞ、おとなしく出てきなさい!
 
 
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Anonymous
7:21 AM
Word of the day: 耽る
 
Anonymous
@broccoliforest Zwicky and Pullum make a convincing argument that -n't has been reanalyzed as an inflectional affix, which makes don't the negative inflected form of auxiliary do: web.stanford.edu/~zwicky/ZPCliticsInfl.pdf
 
Anonymous
Which is substantially the analysis adopted in Huddleston & Pullum's Cambridge Grammar of the English Language
 
7:39 AM
@snailboat that's quite a hack, and makes much sense :)
how about I'll, you'd or they're?
oh, they seem to explain it
so these things remain as clitics
 
 
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5:13 PM
Neat paper.
I found this one on long-distance subject scrambling: repository.upenn.edu/cgi/…
It doesn't seem to be discussing the case that was relevant here though (scrambling a topic-marked animate/inanimate subject across a nominative animate/inanimate subject)
I'm still completely willing to believe that what is happening in the sentences we are discussing isn't scrambling though.
 

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