@Chocolate When you see 「食べる・飲むはできる」, does that seem a little strange in modern Japanese? Or does it seem normal?

I see lots of examples like this, and I want to figure out what the rules are so I know when I can do it when making up sentences :-)

Do you want to talk through it?

Woo hoo!

Maybe you could insert a word like "usefully" into that question?

I guess Physics is a pretty big subject, anyway. I mean, you could study a lot of different things and say you're studying Physics.

Haha

Oh, I thought of a fourth example of (what I believe to be) asyndetic coordination. We have a question about it somewhere, too.

I read this sentence: 「じゃあ、本を作ったら２、３冊は確実に売れますね！」

The ２、３冊 part seems to coordinate ２ and ３

But again the 読点 is not a word, it's just a symbol, and when it's read out loud you don't pronounce it, right? So they're juxtaposed

I know I've seen it read aloud without even pausing a couple times

That's unlike ２～３ where I think the ～ symbol would be read as either ないし or から

(Please correct me if I've remembered any details wrong!)

If anyone has more examples of asyndetic coordination to add to my list, I'd love to hear about them

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that など does not coordinate

Because it applies to lists which are already coordinated

I'd like to make a big list, then figure out what I can learn from it. So right now, I'm putting in especially interesting examples, but I'll just write down whatever if it seems to fit the pattern.

I have a number where quotes are coordinated

I think that quotes can function somewhat like nouns in Japanese

Though I don't know if that's the right way to think about it

But like, in this example: 時代劇などで「いざ、尋常に勝負しろ」などという「尋常」は、「素直」「潔い」といった意味で、これも「普通」の意味から転じたものである。

「素直」 and 「潔い」 appear to be coordinated

Oh, I like your example

Hehe! I wish there were a bookoff around here.

I googled the start of your phrase. I found this d.hatena.ne.jp/Hash/20080419/1208594313

何をもって本・雑誌を「読み終わった」とみなしますか？

Nouns coordinated as an object! :-)

My hypothesis is that case doesn't matter, and that nouns can be coordinated in any case

But to confirm that I should find examples coordinated with other case particles like に

Btw, my ＨＰ、ＭＰ example was from 聖剣伝説３, which I recently put in the SNES

You can find examples, though, if you search for stuff like that. Like, I searched for 食べる飲む to find the example I gave earlier with those verbs

That might not be the best way to find linguistically useful examples, but I'm collecting them from the web anyway 'cause I'm not sure what else to do :-)

The example I gave coordinating those two quotes is from gogen-allguide: gogen-allguide.com/si/jinjyou.html

Oh, man!

I keep finding examples I want to share

Remember the するしない（にかかわらず） construction? That sawa wrote is productive

So you can do くるこない or できるできない

I just saw 咳があるなしに関わらず

That might seem straightforward to you, but I guess ある and ない are special in my mind. I hadn't seen anything like あるなしに関わらず before

Anyway, I think that するしない construction is an example of asyndetic coordination, so it goes on my list :-)

Hmm, 有無！ According to my notes, I should have known that was うむ and not ゆうむ, but I didn't

Sawa said it was productive, so I'm not sure that's the case

It might be uh, less productive, on the sliding scale of productiveness. I have no way of knowing :-)

Hmm, it's pretty fun. It's one of the few SNES games to use the high horizontal resolution mode

So they were able to stick in a lot more kanji and dialogue overall

Compare to Seiken Densetsu 2, which seems very ... um, well, more kid-like because the CHARACTERS ARE SUPER GIANT AND THE SENTENCES ARE REALLY SHORT

Seiken Densetsu 2 is an example of text with kanji but interstitial spacing nonetheless

And it's sparing on the kanji

I didn't really like Secret of Evermore :-(

You can play Seiken Densetsu 3 with three players.

I've only ever played it two-player

I played it a little bit one-player but I never got very far

Well, actually, SD3 is only two-player.

But there's a romhack that enables three-player mode, just like SD2.

It's really hard playing SD2 on a 60" tv. The kana are the size of your head.

(Well, not really :-)

When I got SD3, my parents had just given me my own color TV, which was a 13" CRT

I had the opposite problem. It was really hard to read the hi-res kanji on that thing.

They look great on a bigger LCD, though. Less blurry, I guess?

Ahh, memories :-)

SD3 is one of the best SNES games to play if you want to play a game with more modern-game-like dialogue with a fair amount of kanji, and more and longer dialogue overall

I like that about it :-)

As a game, I'd say it's really pretty fun, though I think SD2 is probably a little more fun overall.

SD3 has really good music too (by the same composer)

They went a little overboard compensating for the bosses, like...

In SD2, you could defeat every boss once you got magic by just casting spells over and over, and there were no hard bosses in the game after that point

The boss battles were usually pretty short.

In SD3, they decided to overcompensate, I think, and they were like "we're going to make these real battles!" and they made them all take a long time. But they put in like ten times as many boss battle songs and made them all varied and interesting, so it doesn't really get boring despite that.

So it ended up a little excessive but it's still fun, particularly if you're playing with someone else

Huh. This is what Wikipedia gives you for スキタイ ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%B9%E3%82%AD%E3%82%BF%E3%82%A4

See you!

I don't really play most of my SNES games anymore :-(

They're mostly memories from childhood now.

But they're good memories.

They're joined by a 読点, but if you read this aloud, you would... pause, right?

I should try to find better examples

Another example: 「英語のcome、goの使い方はときとして日本語の「来る」、「行く」と逆になることがあって面くらわされる。」

It's easiest to find examples where the conjuncts are both quotes, and those are interesting, but they might be the least interesting.

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