Hello people. :)

@gibbon

Are you there?

@flaw

You there?

@jkerian, wbu? :)

Hello

@Shazer2 Yes now I am.

Hey all :)

@silvermaple Hi Silvermaple.

Hi there, Andrew :)

Does Japanese have concepts of "illegitimate" that's separate from "illegal"?

Like, an illegitimate child?

No, more like "it's not illegal, but you shouldn't do it".

In social contexts I'd say they have many

How about 正当性がない ?

I wonder what the Japanese equivalent of "to be frowned upon" is

Language wise

I just realized I was using せいき when I meant to use 正規 for legitimate. D'oh!

@silvermaple いい顔をされない？

Is using kana when you meant to use kanji a form of 誤変換?

(Though in my case, I was copying and pasting from the wrong column in jisho.org - the kana column instead of the kanji column)

正規 has a meaning of "legitimate", right?

@AndrewGrimm I didn't know that... (btw, what is sawa wall?)

@Flaw Um, yeah, I don't know, could be :)

if there is anyone paying attention to this room, it would be nice to ask a few questions

:):):):):):):):)

well i will check back in a dash

actually it might be sharp to just explain my question so anyone can answer whenever they show up

so, having learned the hiragana and katakana, I am trying to learn some kanji as I go through tae kim's guide to japanese grammar, if you know that site. it's in your resources, so im guessing you do.

but tae kim does not introduce the kanji in an order that makes learning them easy, so I have been learning them from genetickanji.com, which makes a lot of sense to me

genetickanji.com

but, I'm still on this little problem which I asked about before and have yet to fully grasp, which is why it would be nice to talk to someone about it

for many of the kanji which represent actions, there are okurigana listed in parentheses after the kun reading

these okurigana are used to indicate the family the verb belongs to, so that you know how to divide it up into tenses? is that correct?

also, I am having a little trouble distinguishing the difference between these two characters: 王 vs 玉. both seem to be defined as king. individually, not as part of words, is there a difference?

@Aerovistae The same kanji may be used by several words, followed by different okurigana to distinguish them as words. (not just verbs) The final word is then conjugated as necessary but you don't need to complicate that process by blending in the aspect of kanji/okurigana to that.

alright

and those two kanji?

@Everyone, with regards to the conversation starred over there under "And anyone making broad and direct claims about the Japanese language is sure to hit the sawa wall hard," (which is an extremely funny phrasing) here is my general opinion on this.

A. You are correct, I had taught myself French extensively before I found that site. I still have a long, long way to go, but I'm also long, long past the basic barriers.

B. I am not angry. If you knew me in person, you might chuckle to say that. I don't really get angry. I get irked by people being being impatient and presumptuous, and I get irked by people incorrectly correcting my English. You're right, I was out of line in some of the things I said under I think it was my first question, or second. I normally don't give in to little arguments like that, I don't know why I let myself get baited in that instance.

C. With regards to my question on FLU Meta, the difference is that I can't even remotely imagine anyone there ever making the kind of snide and impatient remarks I find here. I've seen people ask what I considered to be very dumb questions, and they still got a friendly and complete answer.

Which is funny, because your site has considerably better stats in some categories.

@Aerovistae as far as I can tell, 玉 does not mean king, it means gem. (as in a pretty little rock)

D. Perhaps some of you recall the first time you were taught to use cos() and sin() in algebra. It was a little mind-bending, and those who managed to grasp it at all, it took a while to realize the right way of looking at it. Several aspects of Japanese are very comparable, and I haven't figured out the right way of looking at it yet, thus I do not yet comprehend. In the coming months, gaps will close and suddenly I'll know what is presently obvious to you.

As for the ABC there I don't even know what has happened on some part of the site so I'll be happy to stay out of it. :)

ABCD even.

@gibbon lol thank you

it's not a big deal

just I've been perhaps asking too many questions while my understanding is still too weak

Oh, people who should see that...

@Flaw

@jkerian

@ChrisHarris

@cypher

Just read my message above so we're on the same page, I guess

@Aerovistae I read it. Hopefully with this, most of the issues will be resolved.

If you are still having some issues where you just need a quick questioned answered, then feel free to ask in chat :)

@Chocolate "The sawa wall" is more than likely referring to some of sawa's comments or answers that do not leave certain ideas or concepts open to debate. Rather, a correct method/ideology gets established before continuing with the discussion.

such a great way to put it, "the sawa wall"

i laughed pretty hard when i noticed that in the margin

I starred that because I thought it was good for me to remember whenever I make a question or answer.