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12:59 AM
@snailboat I hope my answer to "share" question is not complete nonsense. But it's good to have competing answers, people can upvote the better one. That's how SE works best.
 
@Szymon I upvoted it after I saw the screen shots. They convinced me :-)
 
Thanks, I upvoted yours too. Hard to argue with a screenshot :)
 
1:22 AM
@Szymon I agree it's good to have multiple answers a lot of the time.
The reason I didn't upvote your answer right away is because it's somewhat outside my personal experience
All I can do personally is describe the stuff I'm familiar with
So the screen shot helped me make my decision :-)
 
1:42 AM
I do the same, only upvote what I think is right.
 
 
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7:25 AM
And now you get 3 answers basically saying the same thing so hooray! — ssb 6 mins ago
Hee.
 
ssb
8:12 AM
i meant it in the best possible way
 
Well, I think you wrote the best one.
 
ssb
maybe the most verbose
 
I wrote a bunch of answers today.
Five! A bunch is five.
 
8:27 AM
Is 息を吐く pronounced いきをはく or いきをつく to mean exhaling? Or is it both?
 
ssb
this says つく
But I actually don't know
I can't recall any time I've heard it used..
 
That's what I think it is according to my dictionary, but my textbook says はく
Then again, my textbook has been wrong on numerous occasions
 
ssb
i'd trust the textbook, honestly
well then.. maybe not!
looks like haku is for the actual "exhaling"
つく is maybe more metaphorical?
 
Why is なか not listed as a reading for 腹?
 
probably gikun
 
ssb
8:36 AM
where?
 
jisho.org/kanji/details腹 and my kodansha kanji learner's dictionary
gikun eh.. or was it ateji? :p
 
I get the two confused sometimes. gikun = kanji used for meaning; ateji = kanji used for pronounciation
 
ssb
wow, sure enough I don't see it on the 常用漢字表
 
Yeah, it's a 熟字訓読み
@小太郎 I think in principle it could be either one
If it gives furigana then go with what the furigana say
 
Do you know why they don't just list it as a kunyomi?
I mean I thought a kunyomi was just a japanese (origin) reading of a kanji.. if that's not it, what makes a kunyomi a kunyomi?
Or from where does なか origin
 
8:45 AM
熟字訓 is when a 訓 reading is assigned to the combination of multiple characters, rather than to an individual character
Like 吹雪 = ふぶき
I'm having trouble justifying that in the case of お腹
But I think it is. Hmm.
But often it's a mapping from one compound (in this case 御中 = おなか) onto different kanji (御腹 I guess, but I only ever see it written お腹)
Ah, I can find some instances of 御腹 online, so I'll stick with that theory :-)
Anyway, it never appears as なか outside of that word
It's not used to write the word なか, only as part of お腹 to write the word おなか
I guess since おなか is a lexicalized combination, in this case なか doesn't represent a single word
Am I wrong? Should it just be considered a regular 訓 reading that isn't on the 常用漢字表?
 
ssb
i thought of it as a regular 訓読み
お腹 isn't exactly rare either so it's surprising to me
there must be some rationale
 
Yeah, well, there are lots of quirks to the official lists of stuff.
Officially, you're s'posed to write that word in kana.
But until 2010, 誰 wasn't on the official list :-)
While 虞 and 璽 were...
So it can be kind of silly talking about the official lists of stuff sometimes.
 
ssb
one of my Japanese teachers was really confused when I told her that I learned 璽
way back when
 
Haha!
Now you can read the Japanese constitution!
 
ssb
i've never even tried to read it in Japanese
I should do that..!
apparently that's the only place you'll ever see 乃至 too
 
8:57 AM
乃至!
I like to read 〜 as 乃至
There's a big list, and おなか ain't on it.
Maybe it's just a regular kun'yomi which is, for some reason, not included in any dictionary I've checked.
Ooh, 腹癒せ
See, these dictionaries aren't limited to jōyō readings, so I'd expect them to list it as a non-jōyō kun'yomi if it were one. I think that's why I always assumed it was a jukuji kun'yomi
Hey, the New Nelson lists it :-)
That's my first time using the New Nelson in at least a year.
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Q: What is "the SAD"?

Dave M GI've seen people speak about "the SAD" in comments on JLU. They reference it as if it is a person. What exactly is "the SAD"?

@ssb It's kind of long.
I started reading it once but my attention wavered
 
ssb
9:14 AM
103 articles..
 
I'm not sure I could read through the U.S. Constitution again unless I divided it up into a bunch of pieces. I'd probably zone out part way in...
Syntax, though, I can't get enough of ;-)
 

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