@doppelgreener Swinging by to say goodnight?

more or less, haha

just dropping in to see what'd happened in the rooms i'm in if anything

y'all have very enlightening MTG discussions here sometimes, i'd hardly like to leave bg.se's chat out of that check :)

Haha yes. If there's an ambiguous to be found, we'll be sure to argue it to death in here.

I a word there

despite you a word, i get what you mean :)

@Rainbolt Good job on that meta question. I started writing my own answer, and then reread yours and realized you had already said almost everything I was trying to say.

@murgatroid99 Hey thanks! I appreciate the compliment.

@murgatroid99 I did something weird. I liked your comment and the way you worded it, so I paraphrased it and linked to your comment.

I wasn't sure how to attribute the comment to you concisely (i.e., avoid the long "As another user said in a potentially now deleted comment [...]")

Yeah, integrating comments into posts are kind of a weird intersection between community editing and providing attribution and ephemeral content.

Who would support a "Can I do stuff before state based actions are checked?" canonical question if I were to write one?

Do we already have a "What are state-based actions" canonical question?

Well, I was going to provide a huge list of questions that are duplicates of that, and then I could only find two. Oddly, they were both asked in the last week or so.

So nevermind my request

@JonTheMon I can't find one, but that doesn't mean it isn't out there

I thought there would be more "Can I sac my dude after it dies?" questions, but I can't really find any more than the two we just got.

@Rainbolt Hmm, only 4 questions with "state based" in the title, and non are canonical

@Rainbolt I think the primary issue with those questions is that the answer comes down to how the creature is dying. So, the answer is different if the death is caused by Doom Blade or Gravepact or Reaper from the Abyss or combat damage.

I expect that if you write a "Can I do stuff before state based actions are checked?" canonical question, it won't help the people asking those questions, because they don't know that the thing they are asking about is a state-based action

@Rainbolt I found a few more that could possibly be closed as duplicates, I found them by searching for '[magic-the-gathering] state based action is:answer'. variations on that might get you more

@murgatroid99 How is the answer different? In all of those cases it seems like the answer is "No. You cannot sac your dude after it dies."

@Rainbolt In some of those cases, leaving the aura on until death doesn't do anything useful, and you can respond to the effect that would cause the creature to die.

@murgatroid99 I didn't ask "Can I do stuff before the effect that would cause my dude to die resolves?"

And a lot of those actual questions are more like "Can I sacrifice the creature in response to an effect that would cause it to die?". To which the answer is "yes" for Doom Blade, "no" for the Legend Rule, and "it depends on whether you want it to deal damage" for combat damage.

@murgatroid99 Like I said, I only found two "actual questions" that match the canonical I intended to ask

Your point appears to be that if we asked a totally different canonical question, it would then be too broad.

@Rainbolt would this one also fit?boardgames.stackexchange.com/questions/29755/…

@diego Yes, that one fits the format

@Rainbolt My point is that the proposed canonical question wouldn't completely answer the questions on the front page, because half of the answer to each of those is an explanation that the death is in fact caused by a state-based action

@Rainbolt Some others I found that might fit:

this this this and this

@murgatroid99 Okay, that's a good point. I'm not sure why you think that has been your point this whole time, but it is a good point.

@Rainbolt I'm sorry it wasn't clear. You don't have to be condescending about it

Sorry. I got defensive when I realized that I didn't understand the point you were trying to make.

The direction I was trying to go was pointing out that someone who's less familiar with the rules is unlikely to understand how different causes of death affect what they can respond to, and when.

So, an explanation of whether they can respond to something necessarily involves an explanation of what category that thing is in

I don't have any good ideas for what to do with that though

It's not just that, you also have to cover "Auras falling off is another SBA that happens immediately after the creature dies", at least for the recent questions

That's true

Also, the Tree of Redemption question depends on exchange rules, and the one about Giant Growth and Dismember is more about how the stack works than SBAs

It's a noble effort, but I think in this case, we just don't have the right conditions for a useful canonical question

Arguably, though, the Dead Weight question could be closed as a duplicate of the Inferno Fist question.