... pretty much all men. Nowadays, when women read, study, write, etc., an adjustment in tone is necessary, but unfortunately, not always adopted.

That's on an answer from HodofHod, who hasn't been all that active lately. If anybody else wants to help out, I doubt he'd mind. It's just a few lines. Thanks.

Why does Jeremiah 31 start one verse earlier on Sefaria than it does in other Jewish editions (e.g. Mechon Mamre)?

@IsaacMoses Seems like a goof on Sefaria's part from wherever they get their text from. Even the OJB knows to correct for it: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=jeremiah+31&version=OJB

(Why any of us care to maintain a separate chapter system is beyond me.)

@MonicaCellio Maybe not openly active, but he did visit since you left that comment, and so he might still act on it.

@MonicaCellio Those passages are already translated in the answer

I guess not a direct translation, but they each basically echo the thing that said previously

@Daniel That's true. I happen to think that the answer flows better without blockquoting it off, since sometimes i like to just read the poster's summary and not the literal translation (or original text).

@Scimonster oh, oops. I was looking at his "activity" tab and missed the "last seen" update.

@Daniel oh, ok! I wasn't sure whether the answer was summarizing or using the quoted passages as a jumping-off point.

@DoubleAA So, the Christian Jer. 31 starts with "... בָּעֵ֤ת הַהִיא֙," while the "Jewish" one starts with "... כֹּ֚ה אָמַ֣ר." How odd. I thought that we just use the Christian convention.

@DoubleAA I think there would be value in having an independent chapter system based on a masoretic understanding of where things ought to break, perhaps purely parsha-based. (Koren has one.) This would only have value if a large proportion of Jewish writings would adopt it, and we'd still be stuck with a pile of legacy volumes that use the Christian system. (Do any other Koren publications use the Koren Jewish chapter system for references?)

@IsaacMoses I've been told it has been tried before a few times, but it never catches on due to the legacy problem.

@Yishai Thanks for finding that!

@IsaacMoses It seems the history is a bit more nuanced than is typically assumed. books.google.com/… Chapter divisions came first, but not verse divisions. The non-Jewish world got the verse divisions from a Rabbi Mordechai Natan in the 15th/16th century. Not clear what Rabbi Natan did with chapters, if anything, but I suspect the variance starts in this period. Impossible to say without actually seeing the prints referenced.

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@IsaacMoses FWIW, Rabbi Natan (who's correct first name is Yitzchak - Mordechai came from a printer error) in his work uses the Mechon Mamre/OJB division for that one.

@Yishai He also doesn't have a fifth chapter of Eikha.

According to this query I should have the generalist badge

Not sure how long ago I achieved the necessary criteria, but I have not received the badge yet

I'm making a final push for a few badges

I'm pretty sure that I should have generalist and that it will be awarded shortly. I'm getting close to Deputy and Electorate

I am also 3/4 of the way to the 10,000 rep threshold for accessing moderator tools, but at my current rate that will take me another year or so

@Daniel It's 15 score in 20 tags. You only have 15 tags.

@Scimonster ah indeed. somehow I misread the requirements

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@MonicaCellio Thanks

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@DoubleAA Indeed, but that is something that is easy to imagine as a simple printer error (skipping a line).