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Q: CC-SA and copyright dates: what date(s) do we use for republishing site content?

2:03 AM

An edit of mine was rejected. Where would you all recommend inquiring further why the edit was rejected and what I should change to have it approved?

Seth J

2:24 AM

I cannot contribute (easily) to the book, but I have two very strong recommendations for Purim Torah submissions.

The No Offense Loophole, and Ben Drusai's Yahrtzeit.

Meta-Man

2:48 AM

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We are currently working on our second book compiling content from Mi Yodeya. The book uses a document template that's evocative of the site and includes the logo; this was provided to us by Jin for this purpose (in 2013). The book contains all the URLs required by CC-SA. This question is abou...

@Lee want to link it in here?

3:12 AM

Thanks for the reply, @Monica Cellio. The edit and its rejection comment can be found here (judaism.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/8762).

I'm not quite sure what the rejection comment means. I wish it was a bit more descriptive of what my edit was lacking.

@Lee thanks for the link. I think what the comment means is that where you said "(my translation)" you meant your translation but you're putting words into the mouth of the OP. That's what I get from it, anyway. But an easy way to address that would be to revise the edit (a reviewer can do that) to change that phrase. Also [cont]

normally adding significant content to a post would be iffy (better to comment and let the author decide to incorporate), but in this case the author invited it, so I think that's ok.

That's my personal take on it, not having discussed with anybody else. Sometimes reviewers forget that they can further improve an edit, so this is a good reminder for all of us.

Thanks so much for the advise, @Monica Cellio. Perhaps editing it in directly was presumptuous of me; but, I only did so because the original answer asked for additional sources. Nevertheless, thanks!

And, again, a more descriptive rejection comment would have been quite useful. So, thank you for taking the time.

If it would serve the answer better, perhaps I should simply paste in the Hebrew text rather than translating?

@Lee well, it's nice to have the translation because not everybody is fluent in Hebrew. You could attribute the translation (use your name & link to your profile, for instance).

Great idea! Will do!

@Lee I agree; we need to be more verbose in these kinds of explanations.

3:24 AM

I certainly appreciate how thorough the site's mods are! It's a fairly thankless job you have!

@DoubleAA [tag:I-feel-like-having-a-conversation-this-way-is-not-the-most-efficient-method‌-that-we-could-come-up-with-if-we-took-some-time-to-think-about-it]

heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey why'd that happen

I assume I violated some max limit of tag name length

Perhaps that trick only works for existing tags?

@Lee no-it-works-for-new-tags

Neat!

@Lee ideally everybody helps moderate. Every time you improve a post, do a review, build out a tag wiki, vote to close or reopen (or when necessary delete), etc, you're helping to make the site better. Most of this should be coming from y'all, not from the three people with diamonds. :-)

3:29 AM

Still - thank you to folks like you, @IsaacMoses, @DoubleAA, etc. for making the site what it is.

@SethJ No offense, but we're already in the late stages of production, and there isn't room for additional content without messing up the formatting. Thanks for the suggestions, though. Perhaps when we come out with a second edition ...

3:45 AM

@SethJ For the record, No offense is one of my all-time favorite PT question posts. It's a great spoof on an excellent real post, it's funny in its own right, and it opens the door wide for a variety of funny answers.

... It doesn't hurt its funniness for me that it's associated in my brain with Jon Stewart making fun of that sort of conversational loophole.

3:58 AM

@Lee Thanks, man. All due respect to mods past and present, but seriously, what makes the site what it is is the Mi Yodeya community.

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@IsaacMoses go us!

4:15 AM

@MonicaCellio [Just catching up on backread.] Renaming a tag is part of the merge dialog: you merge a tag into a nonexistent tag, thereby renaming it. No need to first create the new one by editing a question 'manually'.

@YEZ What @DoubleAA said, but also IMO you should bear in mind: If it's a post on a page that was recently edited anyway (e.g. you're proposing to edit a recent post or one recently edited, or an answer to a question that was recently edited), then the page will be on the site homepage anyway and your edit won't do much. Otherwise, your edit will bump it to the homepage, which may not be worth it for a small edit.

... or what @IsaacMoses said, in other words. (I'm still catching up on backread here.)

@msh210 I have that problem when I check my email, and hastily respond to something only to see it was dealt with or altered in a later exchange.

4:37 AM

@IsaacMoses, I'm guessing your MY-allotted time is largely publication-allotted at the moment, but, in case you have some MY-allotted to spare, could you look at meta.judaism.stackexchange.com/a/1993 please? (Same for anyone else who knows T-SQL; I pinged Isaac because I know he does.)

5:05 AM

@msh210 Guessed right, to the extent that I have the self-discipline to allot time. In the presence of a SQL challenge, I tend not to. TZT.

5:30 AM

@IsaacMoses Thank you! and good night.

6:16 AM

@YEZ If you want to do some more testing you can go to the Sandbox where people do silly things for fun.

6:28 AM

11 hours ago, by Isaac Moses

@HodofHod purim-project and hagada-project?

Was there consensus about this ^^^ ?

1:04 PM

@DoubleAA And here I was bringing my Adar cheer to Bam.

2:42 PM

@DoubleAA I heard no objections. I think it's a good idea too.

4:25 PM

@Lee, I just approved some tag edits from you and noticed only after the fact that the (full) wikis pretty much matched the wiki excerpts (I saw the former first and thought they were the excerpts, oops). For future reference, we look for the full wikis to expand on the content more; the excerpt is used for the mouse-over text so that's always readily available, and the full wiki is for when people click through. [cont]

I didn't want you to take my approval of those two as a sign to do more of that; I'm not going to change the ones that are there (no harm done), but in the future wikis that don't go beyond the excerpt are likely to be declined. Thanks for the help, and please don't take this as criticism! It's not always clear what's intended for what purpose.

Thanks for the clarification, @Mon

@MonicaCellio - and sorry for all the edits.

@Lee please don't apologize for helping to make the site better. Edits go into a queue and whoever wants to reviews however many he wants at a time.

Good to know. Nevertheless, I should think through my edits more thoroughly before submitting them to reduce workload.

It's a learning experience. No worries.

@MonicaCellio I see that the (full) tag wikis do not have a character limit. Do you recommend a particular length? Also, do you know if Chabad.org's license allows us to copy their parashah summaries?

4:38 PM

@Lee the full ones are intended to be longer, yes. On some sites they're kind of like Wikipedia pages, with subsections and outbound links and everything. This is highly variable; we don't have a particular recommendation here. (Personally I'm an incrementalist -- can I make it better with an edit even if it's not everything it could be? Then I usually do it.)

@Lee No idea about the Chabad license; maybe you could look around on their site to see if they say anything? I'm not aware of them having a CC license, but absence of memory isn't confirmation of non-existence.

@MonicaCellio Will do - thanks again!

Linking to their summaries, at least, would be helpful.

@MonicaCellio Ah, legal and easy! Good call!

@MonicaCellio Okay, here come more edits O:)

ALL: What is the canonical set of links we would want on a parsha wiki page? Chabad summary, what else? (Link to text could be handy if anybody breaks it up by parsha. ORT does but it's laid out for leining practice, a few verses a page; does anybody have the text one page per parsha?)

@Lee see my comment here ^^^ -- let's see if there are any other "obvious" links that could be included in the same pass.

(If any are suggested soon, I mean -- don't feel like you need to block on this, but if we get any immediate suggestions, may as well bundle 'em.)

@MonicaCellio True 'dat'

@MonicaCellio Chabad.org also splits parashot by 'aliyah.

4:44 PM

@MonicaCellio link to Aish's list of divrei torah for that parsha? (Example)

@Lee in their summary, you mean, right? (I don't recall what theirs looks like off-hand, but I know somebody publishes a "summary by 'aliyah" list.)

@MonicaCellio Cool idea. So now, we have: 1 - Parashah link (Chabad), 2 - 'Aliyot link (Chabad), 3 - Divrei Torah link (Aish)

@MonicaCellio Here is an example 'Aliyot link from Chabad.org (chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/577241/jewish/…)

@Lee excellent! Yes, that matches my vague "seen something like that somewhere" memories, so it was probably them.

@MonicaCellio Awesome. So, for now, I'll include the three links mentioned above :)

@MonicaCellio @Lee worthy of Mi Yodeya Meta

@Lee sounds good.

@IsaacMoses good point. @Lee, do you want to do the honors?

4:49 PM

@MonicaCellio Shall we conduct the discussion prior to me submitting further edits?

@Lee hmm, good question. I don't want to curb your enthusiasm and I don't think anybody's going to object to these three, but it would be easier to do more in a single pass. If the discussion takes a few days how will that affect your doing the edits?

@MonicaCellio +1 for using 'curb your enthusiasm' in proper context. I can wait; but, I'm surely also enthusiastic!

@Lee ok, how 'bout you do one to illustrate what we've got so far, and then ask on meta and link to the example?

ALL - what mobile app(s) do you use, if any, to use SE sites on the go?

@MonicaCellio Done (example: judaism.stackexchange.com/tags/parashat-bereishit/info)

@Lee and approved.

4:55 PM

@MonicaCellio Feel free to suspend further edit approvals (other than Bereshit) until said discussion concludes.

@Lee oops, your Aish link is broken -- I'm seeing Vayikra.

@MonicaCellio Hooray for copy/paste. Digging up Bereshit. Sorry again.

@Lee I should have caught it in the review. :-( Here's their index page: aish.com/tp/pl/?s=nb

@MonicaCellio Fixed

@Lee and approved. Ok, go ahead and ask the meta question; your example will work now.

4:59 PM

@MonicaCellio Right on. Thx for the direction @MonicaCellio @IsaacMoses !

@Lee thanks for doing the leg-work to gather consensus and implement the changes!

@MonicaCellio It's my pleasure. Hasdei Hashem.

@Lee What's with the ' before the word Aliyot? And what is the purpose of the Divrei Torah link in the wiki?

@MonicaCellio Reviewing prior questions on the matter, I don't see a 'tag-conformity' tag in meta. Can I get a straw poll on the usefulness of such a meta tag?

@GeminiMan My Rav taught that, to emphasize the guttural vowelization of the letter 'Ayin, that its transliteration should be preceded with an apostrophe.

@Lee And my second question?

5:09 PM

@GeminiMan Per @MonicaCellio's suggestion, linking to Divrei Torah on a parashah will simply foster further learning and usefulness of the parashah tags.

@GeminiMan that was my idea, and if folks think it's a bad one then I certainly won't mind. Lee is going to ask a meta question about what should be in the tag wikis, and he did one with these three as an example/starting point.

@Lee I would use tag-wiki.

@Lee Further learning is always good, but I don't understand how this fits/contributes to the purpose of this site - crowd sourced Q & A.

@GeminiMan Feedback like this will foster good discussion in the meta question (in the process of writing said question).

@Lee OK

@GeminiMan yes, please contribute to the meta discussion once Lee has a chance to get it started. When I suggested it I was thinking that Aish offers a lot of commentary at a range of levels (children to advanced), and Aish is reputable, so it seemed useful. But it's not a link that directly helps with answering questions here; it's more of an "oh by the way", and maybe that's not helpful. I gave it all of a minute's thought before suggesting it; there should definitely be a broader discussion.

5:28 PM

@MonicaCellio @IsaacMoses I'm surprised you didn't edit the NLT translation and links to the JPS translation and links while you were editing anyway. Was that deliberate? (I was about to edit it, but figured I should ask first if you were deliberately including the OP's translation & links as a respect-for-author reason or a showing-where-asker-is-coming-from reason or something.)

@msh210 I think we should make that edit. At the time I was juggling browser tabs but saw an obvious missing tag so I added it before I forgot. I also noticed that Isaac didn't replace the links, and suspect he was doing the same thing -- it came in untagged, so fix that first.

In other words, please go ahead -- no objections here, just round tuits. :-)

@MonicaCellio All right. Thanks. Done.

@msh210 thanks for your work on this.

Q: Standardizing parashah tag wiki (excerpt, full description)

5:46 PM

@MonicaCellio @IsaacMoses, @GeminiMan, @MonicaCellio - discussion started here (meta.judaism.stackexchange.com/q/1994/2091).

Meta-Man

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To maximize the usefulness of parashah tags (e.g. Bereshit, Noahh), we would like to foster discussion on what standard content each parashah tag wiki should contain in its excerpt and its full description. NB: Perhaps we should leave transliteration standards (e.g. this question) out of scope fo...

discussion tags tag-wiki

@MonicaCellio @Lee mechon-mamre.org/c/ct/cu0101.htm

@DoubleAA I imagine that's in reference to the meta discussion? Would you mind including that suggestion there (meta.judaism.stackexchange.com/q/1994/2091)?

@Lee It was in reference to the earlier chat which I hadn't finished reading.

@DoubleAA No worries. Looking forward to your feedback.

5:57 PM

@Meta-Man Anyone: Should we featured-tag that?

European Day of the Righteous

@msh210 yes. Done. The entry that will get pushed out is a meta-PT question.

(Eventually. Caching, you know.)

TRiG

7:25 PM

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^^ Today.

@DoubleAA I can't create tags in sandbox.