@Ali, if you want to ask questions here that are in-scope and answerable, you have to be prepared to rhetorically set aside your beliefs and ask from a Judaism-compatible POV. This may be very difficult. It will be nearly impossible if you want to simultaneously pursue a mission (recently made explicit) of using this site to promote Islam to Jews.
ok can i ask questions that would seek to verify information i find in websites e.g whether these prophecies in the link are valid from jewish perspective? islamreligion.com/articles/379
A new user is asking countless questions which seem to have the goal of proving Mohammed being a real prophet. Do we just allow this to go on indefinitely? Personally, I have been enjoying MY a lot less the last few days with all these similar new questions constantly popping up on my screen.
@msh210 I appreciate whatever sorting you're doing. This revision reinstates something that was a veiled would-be hint to Islam that you had removed and makes it explicitly about Islam.
@msh210 ... and I assume you're aware of what @MonicaCellio had to clean up here
@IsaacMoses ... and by "you," I meant "all y'all mods," naturally (Thanks @MonicaCellio and @DoubleAA)
The following verse in the Torah prophesizes about a nation which will be given "peace" and coming of a praised being:
and I will shake all nations, and the choicest things of all nations(חֶמְדַּת )
shall come, and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of
hosts. 8 Mine is the ...
@Ali, I honestly don't think anyone here thinks you are proselytizing per se, but your questions are not about Judaism. They are about Islamic belief and attempt to find proof-texts in Jewish tradition to support that belief.
@Ali, for what it's worth, Judaism is a faith, and I think Islam is also. If you require proof from another faith to justify your own, then you should really consult your spiritual leader.
@Ali I'm not a member of Islam, but my guess would be that that's on-topic there. I think that's probably the best place for you to continue your quest to find proofs for Islam in Jewish scripture
@Ali I agree that we have a lot more in common than what divides us - or we should, at any rate. It is unfortunate that there is so much discord all over the place.
@Ali Having said that, however, I do not believe this is the place to find proofs for Islam in Jewish texts. Either you believe that we have the truth or you believe that you have the truth. If you try to find your truth within our truth, it will get very confusing and frustrating for you.
@Ali, if you want to ask questions here that are in-scope and answerable, you have to be prepared to rhetorically set aside your beliefs and ask from a Judaism-compatible POV. This may be very difficult. It will be nearly impossible if you want to simultaneously pursue a mission (recently made explicit) of using this site to promote Islam to Jews.
ok can i ask questions that would seek to verify information i find in websites e.g whether these prophecies in the link are valid from jewish perspective? islamreligion.com/articles/379
If i have a question in Python which includes a simple math equation would it be closed as oftopic?
@SethJ
@MonicaCellio can i ask questions that would seek to verify information i find in websites e.g whether these prophecies in the link are valid from jewish perspective? islamreligion.com/articles/379
e.g: The Prophet Muhammad prophesized Jerusalem would be conquered after his death. The prophecy was fulfilled when, according to Encyclopedia Britannica: “In 638 the Muslim Caliph, Umar I, entered Jerusalem.”
another example:
The Prophet Muhammad prophesized the conquest of Persia.[7] It was conquered by Umar’s commander, Sa’ad bin Abi Waqqas. In the words of Encyclopedia Britannica:
“…raids into Sasanian territory were quickly taken up by Muhammad’s Caliphs, or deputies, at Medina - Abu Bakr and Umar ibn al-Khattab… an Arab victory at Al-Qadisiyyah in 636/637 was followed by the sack of the Sasanian winter capital at Ctesiphon on the Tigris. The Battle of Nahavand in 642 completed the Sasanids’ vanquishment.”
@Ali, despite my rep score here, I'm not actually an expert in all aspects of Jewish Law and Philosophy. I know some stuff. But I cannot tell you what does or does not constitute prophesy. I am pretty sure, though, that Jews will only accept a Jewish prophet.
@Ali No. We are not here to support or refute random claims made elsewhere. Suppose someone came to Islam and asked "I once heard that the New York Times reported on research that Muhamad did (some awful thing). Doesn't that violate the hadith of (something)?" (I have a much more specific example in mind but it would be quite provocative.)
@Ali We had an interesting discussion here not long ago about whether Bil'am was an exception to the rule that only Jews can be prophets or whether gentiles can be prophets under the right circumstances. But the bottom line here is that a non-Jewish prophet delivering prophesy to Jews (or non-Jews) will not be accepted by Jews.
@Ali You beat me to my conclusion. There is one example of one non-Jewish prophet in the Torah (see above).
@Ali this is not a question about Jewish life and learning. We don't really care what some other religion's leader says about our text or tradition. A real question based on our texts or tradition, asked without preconditions, would be quite welcome. That is not what you seem to be doing.
@Ali, if you want to ask questions here that are in-scope and answerable, you have to be prepared to rhetorically set aside your beliefs and ask from a Judaism-compatible POV. This may be very difficult. It will be nearly impossible if you want to simultaneously pursue a mission (recently made explicit) of using this site to promote Islam to Jews.
@Ali This question asks about whether it was always the case or else when it started, and the answers and comments present evidence and a bit of argument about when and why we follow matrilineal descent, but note that one of the answers cites a Mishnah (which predates Muhammad by several centuries) as making an authoritative statement about it.
I have heard that matrilineal descent (i.e. having Judaism passed down through the mother) comes from the Roman period when women were raped by Roman soldiers and the babies were then said to be Jewish because they knew for certain who the mother was, but they did not know if the father was Jewis...
@MonicaCellio I'm guessing the goal is to show Islam's texts for evidence, since we keep telling him he can't use our texts for it. It's got to be frustrating. But, @Ali, like I said earlier, faith is faith. If you believe you have the truth, you should not need to find evidence for it in our texts.
@Ali, in the same vein, looking in our texts for proof that Isma'il was the chosen child and not Ishaq will be fruitless. If I'm not mistaken, one of the core Islamic beliefs is that we (the Jews) have corrupted the Revealed Word of G-d. If that is the case, looking in a "corrupt" text is not going to help you in your faith.
@Ali OK, but we (Jews) don't feel the same way, not in the way you mean, anyway. We don't accept Muhammad as a prophet (or Jesus, for that matter). We believe that both Christianity and Islam took what we had as a basis to form a new religion.
@Ali As for submitting to G-d, naturally, we feel that we do just that. We also recognize that Muslims to so in their own way, leaving aside certain issues occurring around the world.
I'm very curious to know what the "original" scriptures (coming from a christian perspective) say on who the messiah (someone along the lines of what jesus claimed to be) is, what he is supposed to do, and how people will know him.
Thanks!
I seem to remember a question about how to explain Kashruth to a non-Jew (I may have even asked it). But I can't find it. Does anyone remember it and are your search skillz better than mine?
@SethJ The second one? I typed [gentiles] explain into the search box. ([gentiles] searches for anything with that tag. explain searches for anything with that word.) It was the second search result.
@msh210 I tried so many different search options I can't even remember if I searched for [gentiles] explain or not. I had a lot of totally empty search results, as well as long lists of results that took a while to search through. But most searches used [kashrut-kosher] (or whatever the actual tag is).
A new user is asking countless questions which seem to have the goal of proving Mohammed being a real prophet. Do we just allow this to go on indefinitely? Personally, I have been enjoying MY a lot less the last few days with all these similar new questions constantly popping up on my screen.
The following verse in the Torah prophesizes about a nation which will be given "peace" and coming of a praised being:
and I will shake all nations, and the choicest things of all nations(חֶמְדַּת )
shall come, and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of
hosts. 8 Mine is the ...
I'm very curious to know what the "original" scriptures (coming from a christian perspective) say on who the messiah (someone along the lines of what jesus claimed to be) is, what he is supposed to do, and how people will know him.
Thanks!
