Oo, catchy title

TF2-based... wow

I guess I should have been more specific

It's not TF2-based, it's in TF2

is this a ploy to get PPCG to write you some bots for your 6v6?

The bots will be controlling demoman puppet bots playing on a flat arena

It'll be Arena Mode first to three

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ No, I just thought of it while working on them

@quartata okay lol

The main issue is that the specification is going to have to be really really detailed

Gimme 15 minutes then I'll need your help testing something

very detailed

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Because I'll have to describe all the stock weapons for the demoman

only three?

Yeah

not that hard

jk lol

But answer this: what's the dimensions of the frustum in which a melee swing will connect?

These are the kinds of questions I need to find the answers to

brb googlien frustum

Can you answer off the top of your head what the splash radius of a stickybomb is? :P

35!

I actually have no idea

Wait, really?

35 hammer units is really tiny

XD

I'd be surprised..

damage

is TF2 open source? :P

No.

It's not that hard to figure the splash parts out programatically though.

true enough

Hmmm

This is tricky actually because the bots will have to be fast

TF2's tickrate is 66 which means that you can potentially submit a command once every 15 milliseconds

maybe require a fast language

or timeout

> Ultimately reduces damage done by Stickybombs to enemies < 512 Hammer units from the Demoman

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ It's not a big deal but it does mean faster bots = better bots

true

it could be hard tho

Not really, if the bot is done right there should only be a few times where it needs to reevaluate its current agenda and do something that takes longer than 15 ms

So I'm not worried

I gues

The bot code will be running asynchronously and any commands that get through will be stored and processed next tick

So even they're late they'll get through eventually

though you're going to have some nut try alpha-beta whatever pruning a bajillion scenarios

@quartata oh

That nut will be bad nut

I'm expecting that the "simplest" bot will try to keep the enemy in range of pipes at all times while circle-strafing and use polynomial extrapolation to aim the pipes

OK, back on track. Lemme see here

What data should I give the bot?

My plan was every tick to send the data via STDIN

I suppose the obvious ones are

current health current clip current position enemy position

I think I should also add a hit boolean if something just hit + how much damage

yeah

Anything else?

maybe a clip array representign the clips of all your weapons

+ total ammo left

perhaps a nav mesh?

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ They won't need that, the arena will be 1024 by 1024 Hammer units and perfectly flat

They can path themselves

oh, cool

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Oh yeah, hurr

any health or ammo?

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ They'll have infinite ammo

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ No.

oh

cool

But not infinite clips. They will have to reload

that makes sense

give them all donkers for the lolz XD

do they know how much health the other players have?

I just realized I should probably remove melee.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ No I could add that though

@quartata why?

The perfect bot would just run forward dodging any pipes and avoiding stickybombs and melee the bot to death

@quartata it would probably be a good idea

Since melee is hitscan it's too easy for bots

@quartata well, that could make a cool counter strategy: if you see a bot like that, backtred and lay stickies as you go--then detobate. It's counterable.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I don't know

Oh, I just realized something. They should get the positions of enemy pipes and stickybombs. Hurr.

I think I'll make it so that they have to be within a certain distance to "see" stickybombs.

good idea

I just finished a round against three hackers

it was horrid

I uberchained with this dude and we were able to get them :P

so it's control points? not KotH?

I don't know how to feel about that XD

It's not

It's pure Arena (deathmatch)

I just made up the room name on the spot

oh I see

how will you tell the bots what to do?

based on the output from submissions

That's what I'm doing right now

The controller

It'll be a SourceMod plugin

I'll hook into CBasePlayer::PlayerRunCommand and replace the usercmd with the last output we got

oh, cool

brb

Should I make it so that bots can only turn their view a certain amount a tick?

Or should I make it so they can adjust their eye angle to whatever

@quartata relative movement sounds better

No that's not what I meant

I meant should bots have a "virtual mousepad" in essence

Us humans can only move our mouse so much and so we can only turn our view in an FPS a certain amount in a certain time

But if I wanted to I could make it so bots have direct control over their eye angle which means they can turn as much as they want in one tick

I'm leaning towards the latter because it'll make some things simpler

I think I might make the arena more complicated. hmmmmm

@quartata yeah, it would. I actually have a high mouse sensitivity so I can practically move the mouse a long way

@quartata obstacles would be interesting--nice idea for sticky traps etc.

What's the winning criterion? most kills? points? is it team-based?