TeX, LaTeX and Friends

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r5579 | morten | 2005-08-01 22:00:09 +0100 (Mon, 01 Aug 2005) | 3 lines

Improve test for the most common case by
exiting if \@let@token has catcode 11.

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r5566 | morten | 2005-05-06 23:45:32 +0100 (Fri, 06 May 2005) | 4 lines

Use recursive loop rather than the relatively slow \@tfor.
Does no longer need babel to work with active characters.
Updated documentation accordingly.

egreg

@JosephWright Of course it was all wrong. ;-)

yo'

@JosephWright it has 5.5 thousand commits?!

Joseph Wright

1:14 PM

@yo' Had to check the old (non-public) SVN to be sure :-) (@DavidCarlisle will be pleased)

@yo' No, that's the LaTeX2e SVN, or rather the older one that is not visible to the 'general public'

yo'

@JosephWright ah, good then :)

Joseph Wright

palladium:latex2e-public joseph$ svn log -r HEAD
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r1182 | carlisle | 2016-06-07 18:50:57 +0100 (Tue, 07 Jun 2016) | 1 line

typos and plain (e/lua/xe)tex
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@yo' ^^^

palladium:trunk joseph$ svn log -r HEAD
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r6581 | joseph | 2016-06-08 08:31:08 +0100 (Wed, 08 Jun 2016) | 1 line

Another new TL dependency
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(trunk = LaTeX3 repo)

Goodness only knows how many checkins predate the SVN

yo'

@JosephWright :)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright and largely copied from the first version of latex3, written by frank

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Regrettably the SVN doesn't go back that far

@DavidCarlisle BTW, why do we have the split between latex2e and latex2e-public?

David Carlisle

1:18 PM

@JosephWright Frank probably has the RCS records somewhere....

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Likely

yo'

well, 170 commits for my packages, ummmm..

Joseph Wright

@yo' Slightly worrying thing is the number of checkins to the L3 one that start joseph :-)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright happened while I was out of the loop but I suspect explictly to not make the older commit logs public

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Could be: I've not read in detail (I did check the above was OK for public consumption)

David Carlisle

1:20 PM

@yo' svn here seems to be on r133475

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Hmm, the old one does go back quite a long way

yo'

@DavidCarlisle goodness

David Carlisle

@JosephWright yes I think it's converted from cvs so goes back to when we switched to cvs from rcs, but I can't remember if the cvs repository incorporated the rcs logs (format was essentially the same originally)

@yo' we use svn quite a lot

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Commit 1 does say it's generated by cvs2svn

@DavidCarlisle The team have used all of the version control approaches :-)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright I never used bazaar, but I've used rcs, cvs, svn, perforce, mercurial, git

Joseph Wright

1:26 PM

@DavidCarlisle Not used bazaar either, can't claim such an impressive list of the others

yo'

@JosephWright yeah, I think this is typical for large projects :) The funny thing, in the end it quite doesn't matter.

Joseph Wright

@yo' It probably makes a difference if the project runs for 25+ years :-)

yo'

For me, it's only git: It was very popular 1-2 years ago thanks to github, and I like it. Since I'm hateful of changes, I won't probably quit it unless someone forces me to.

David Carlisle

@JosephWright 1993 I think those were probably the RCS logs, can't remember quite when we switched over to CVS.

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle :-)

@DavidCarlisle I'd forgotten that the LaTeX3 one goes back to 1997

David Carlisle

1:35 PM

@JosephWright somewhere there must be some logs that go back older than 2e since when I joined the project l3 was in source control, and l2 was not

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle I'm sure, though hopefully we won't need them for anything!

David Carlisle

@JosephWright 2002 seems to be start of cvs : First version of Makefile that is compatible with new cvs based directory structure

no that must be too late, I give up:-)

Torbjørn T.

1:50 PM

All the version control talk reminds of this: esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5634

Joseph Wright

@TorbjørnT. :-)

@TorbjørnT. One does wonder if all of the history needs to be in the 'live' version in such cases (see above for comments re. LaTeX2e history, which is split)

@TorbjørnT. I take it that was for Emacs

Torbjørn T.

@JosephWright Yes. (final word of the post)

@JosephWright Not something I've ever had to worry about.

Joseph Wright

@TorbjørnT. No, sure

@TorbjørnT. I have the dilemma with siunitx, where v1 and v2 have entirely separate histories and I have a branch for v3 which is entirely different from v2 (so could be done independently)

Torbjørn T.

@JosephWright Yes, I see.

egreg

xdvi doesn't work:

> xdvi rodolfo.dvi
Warning: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C
xdvi-xaw 22.87.03 (Xaw toolkit): ../../../texk/xdvik/events.c:4450: Shouldn't happen: Segmentation fault - trying to clean up and aborting ...
Abort trap: 6

yo'

2:08 PM

@egreg Are you @DavidC that you break things?

Joseph Wright

@egreg WFM

egreg

@JosephWright Happy to know. Might be Homebrew related, who knows?

Joseph Wright

2:28 PM

@egreg Ah, have discovered the issue

egreg

@JosephWright Fixable?

Joseph Wright

@egreg Problem is with XQuartz

@egreg Older XQuartz was fine, latest update leads to the error

egreg

@JosephWright I suspected so, too. I updated it a few days ago.

Joseph Wright

@egreg Could be at either end I guess: some deprecated function could have been removed from XQuartz or could be a bug in the latter

egreg

2:53 PM

@JosephWright According to the release notes, there have been fixes to the Xaw toolkit.

Joseph Wright

@egreg Ah, so it could be a bug in a fix in Xquartz, or it could be highlighting Xdvi relying on a bug ...

egreg

@JosephWright Posting to the list

egreg

3:09 PM

@JosephWright tug.org/pipermail/tex-live/2016-June/038740.html

Joseph Wright

@egreg Cool

egreg

@JosephWright I see that events.c has been modified two months ago

@JosephWright But it shouldn't be the problem, as it happens also with older binaries

David Carlisle

3:41 PM

@egreg my suggestion would be to use windows then cygwin xdvi, works fine.

egreg

@DavidCarlisle I'll use dvitype instead, it's more user friendly than Windoze.

Alan Munn

Are the CTAN servers slower to update around the time of the new TL release? TL Utility has been showing the same small set of updates for a couple of days now, and something I uploaded to CTAN last week hasn't shown up.

David Carlisle

@AlanMunn update from ctan to texlive is much slower, updates to ctan mostly should be as usual

Johannes_B

@yo' Yes, as i am confused myself.

Alan Munn

@DavidCarlisle Yes, that's what I meant. Things are appearing on CTAN at their normal very efficient rate, just not yet in TL. Thanks.

David Carlisle

3:55 PM

@AlanMunn requires Karl (mostly) to move it by hand and he's probably been distracted with people reporting segfaults in binaries

@AlanMunn there will be a big rush soon as there have only been half a dozen updates since tl2016 I think, so everything that went to ctan since they froze things to finalize the dvds needs to be copied over...

Alan Munn

@DavidCarlisle I see. I thought there was some more automatic way this was done.

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn Yes for existing packages though it has to be triggered I think

S.C.

4:14 PM

Hey there

Can anyone help me in installing a font in "TexLive" ubuntu

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Second long mail: almost a clone of the first

Alan Munn

@S.C. What kind of font/which font do you want to install? And how did you install your TeX Live distribution?

@S.C. And Installing TeX fonts might be a good place to start learning about the process.

S.C.

4:45 PM

@Alan I want to install the bickham font. Yes read almost everything but couldn't comprehend much. After trying all efforts in vain :(

@Alan It would be very nice in case you could take me step by step in this

Alan Munn

@S.C. Is it a TrueType or OpenType font? If so the simplest thing to do is just install it in your regular system fonts location and then use XeLaTeX.

Ulrike Fischer

@S.C. Do you mean this here ctan.org/pkg/bickham? If yes, did you buy the necessary font files?

S.C.

@UlrikeFischer No. I didn't

Is it not a free font?

Ulrike Fischer

@S.C. From the readme "Nothing in this package is functional unless you acquire Bickham Script Pro-Regular, and, optionally, Bickham Script Pro-Semibold and Bickham Script Pro-Bold, and install them according to the documentation for this package."

S.C.

@UlrikeFischer Haha yes. Just now I read. Thanks. And sorry for the trouble :(

Christian Hupfer

5:17 PM

@samcarter: ;-)

samcarter

5:46 PM

@ChristianHupfer Yes, a nice number indeed. Extrapolating from the last 2.75 years it will be 22 years until it's all 9's again. So I have to enjoy it now :)

Christian Hupfer

@samcarter: After jumping over 10k it grows faster ;-) You need supporting voters (like package authors whose packages you promoted ;-)) and @PauloCereda's Voting Squad ;-)

StrongBad

I started a bounty on tex.stackexchange.com/questions/262681/… Hope some of you might give it a look.

Christian Hupfer

6:04 PM

@RickHenderson: Hello

David Carlisle

@samcarter really you need another 990000 to get the comma into the middle (as @ChristianHupfer will confirm)

Christian Hupfer

@DavidCarlisle If you would upvote more this would be no issue for us all ;-) Stupid decimal comma, what has it ever done for us ;-)

David Carlisle

@ChristianHupfer I do upvote at times!

Christian Hupfer

@DavidCarlisle Twice a year? On summer solstice? When all ~~nine~~ eight planets are in one line? ;-)

David Carlisle

@ChristianHupfer look lots ^^

Christian Hupfer

6:10 PM

@DavidCarlisle :D

egreg

7:55 PM

@StrongBad One should essentially reimplement endfloat.

StrongBad

@egreg you don't like werner's answer?

egreg

@StrongBad It doesn't use the features of endfloat, which aren't just saving the figure environment in a file.

@StrongBad Anyway, macros like \addfig are just a waste. You gain nothing and lose much.

David Carlisle

@egreg but doesn't endfloat get used on the figure when his temp file is read back? i assumed that's what it was doing, I haven't tried it...

@egreg well agree there:-)

StrongBad

@DavidCarlisle yes, that is what it is doing.

David Carlisle

@StrongBad @egreg struggles with tricky tex macros

StrongBad

8:01 PM

@DavidCarlisle in terms of use case, I was trying to do this: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/195838/…

but I wanted to define a \myref that includes \input.

David Carlisle

@StrongBad brilliant existing answer to that one, you should have put the bounty there instead of the endnote question!

StrongBad

@DavidCarlisle I know you need the rep to catch egreg. Maybe if you asked some questions you could catch him.

David Carlisle

@StrongBad well that's easy isn't it just \def\myref#1{\input{#1file}\ref{#1}} ?

@StrongBad never found the ask a question button

Joseph Wright

8:15 PM

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Q: Implementing `\luaescapestring` in plain e-TeX

I'm trying to implement \luaescapestring in plain e-TeX. My solution needs to be fully expandable, so that \immediate\write\luascript{ local file = "\luaescapestring{\something}" } works. The following code is almost there, but it consumes space characters: \def\luaescapestring#1{% \expandafte...

But why?

David Carlisle

@JosephWright didn't bruno have a question about a similar thing once? (well that was implementing \directlua rather than luaescapestring...

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Possibly, but I really don't see the plan here: \luaescapestring is really only ever meant to appear in the argument of \directlua

David Carlisle

@JosephWright yes but i assume the plan is write lua to temp file shell escape to lua to execute it and input the results back...

Joseph Wright

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Q: Using \input|texlua... to emulate \directlua in pdfTeX

When --shell-escape is enabled, pdfTeX allows to run external programs and input the result expandably with \input|"...". Together with the Lua interpreter texlua, this could be used to provide a dumbed down version of \directlua. However, texlua expects a file name as its argument. In my setu...

pdftex luatex shell-escape portability

David Carlisle

@JosephWright like that^^^ :-)

Joseph Wright

8:21 PM

@DavidCarlisle Bruno is known for his somewhat wacky ideas

David Carlisle

@JosephWright that's why he's on the team, fits in well

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle BTW, I await with interest replies to my musing :-)

@DavidCarlisle :-)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright did you just decide to post to wider list or was it suggested? had no time today, was working, hope to look this weekend when the village isn't picnicking for the queen (I know I saw most of the code before but...)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Suggested

David Carlisle

guessed as much

Joseph Wright

8:24 PM

@DavidCarlisle Oh, don't worry about the code, it's just some experiments

@DavidCarlisle More concrete (non-LuaTeX) stuff to follow

barbara beeton

8:46 PM

@DavidCarlisle, @JosephWright -- you've got mail.

Joseph Wright

@barbarabeeton Yup, just reading now

@barbarabeeton 2e tests are dvi-based :-)

barbara beeton

@JosephWright -- well, we're still running with tex live 2012. expected to get to 2015, but it was put off ("other priorities"), so now we're looking at 2016, which will likely be a more "ambitious" undertaking, but unavoidable.

Joseph Wright

@barbarabeeton You don't use LuaTeX, so the big issues won't be there

Or rather affect you

G. Bay

Hello,
Do we have a default message for "unaccepted answers" ? It seems like user just comment "it works" but didn't accept it. Think the best is to teach how site works and so on.

barbara beeton

@JosephWright -- well, we hope not! (luatex is still much too unstable for our purposes. good grief, our authors provide enough instability with "proven" versions of packages.)

Joseph Wright

8:51 PM

@barbarabeeton v1.0 due later this year, so I suspect the engine will stabilise

@G.Bay Accepting answers is the prerogative of the OP alone

G. Bay

@JosephWright Pardon, what OP stands for?

Joseph Wright

@G.Bay Original Poster

@G.Bay In this context, person who asks a question

G. Bay

I see

it has been a year since I answer it and he/she said it works... so I wonder why its not accepted :( what to do