@Kun Thank you! You've scolded me because I didn't accept answers, sorry, I'm newbie, I thought it was sufficient to upvote them. However I think I should not accept your answer because it didn't solve the problem and for the other question on Graphic Design I would like to wait @Kurt reply to my comment. Is there a limit of time to accept answers?

@CarLaTeX There is no time limit to accept answers. Don't worry.

@CarLaTeX And @Kun is another user :-)

@Kurt Hello @Kurt! @Kun answered to another question of mine!

@cfr You are one of the better not use it-thinkers as well, right?

@CarLaTeX There are three tabs at the bottom of the program, Status, Errors and PdfLaTeX output. The last one seems to contain the full log from the actual compilation, which may contain some hints.

@CarLaTeX That said, I only just installed the Linux version, and I can't get it to work at all, to be honest. One mistake I made was not recompiling the preamble, with Compilation --> (Re-)generate compiled headers. I guess everytime you make a change to the preamble in the settings, you have to do that. I still can't make it work though...

@CarLaTeX And don't worry about Kun (he hasn't been in chat, so I can't ping him). Of course you should accept an answer if you get one that solves the problem, but I don't think Kun's answer is that helpful, or even relevant.

@yo' I think I've fixed the issue. ;-)

\center{\today} :(

@DavidCarlisle And tomorrow and forever

@egreg how can someone not notice that this centres more than just the date:-)

@DavidCarlisle LaTeX is so weird!

@egreg: How's El Capitan? :)

diff -yW200 "$1" "$2" | colordiff is my saviour!

@egreg I thought I caught up all bad instances of the math operator pr, and the I noticed: $S_k^g=($pr$\omega^g\Phi_k)\Phi_k^{-1}$ (one for your collection I think)

@PauloCereda I resumed the download just now; yesterday night it told “19 hours”, now it's “19 minutes”.

@egreg :)

@PauloCereda The university network is slightly better than the home one.

@egreg: I could not even resume downloads. :( Everytime App Store resets the downloads, so the problem persists. :(

@egreg ooh. :) I remember I once had to get a Solaris ISO. I clicked the download link and four seconds later, the image was downloaded. I thought the file was corrupted, but the optical fiber did a pretty good job! :)

$ /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ El\ Capitan.app/Contents/Resources/createinstallmedia --volume /Volumes/MyExternalUSBDrive --applicationpath /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ El\ Capitan.app

@egreg: ^^ if you have a spare USB stick, you could create an El Capitan bootable media with this command. :)

@PauloCereda Indeed: what I'll be doing for my mum's laptop at the weekend

@JosephWright :) I have one USB stick for every OSX since Leopard. :)

@Joseph: my old Macbook can only support Lion (hardware limitation).

@PauloCereda “Installing: About 25 minutes remaining”. A few minutes later: “Installing: About 2 hours and 17 minutes remaining”. :)

@egreg Still better than what my washing machine does; it goes down to 1 minute and stays there for 30 minutes...

@egreg Oh no! :) I almost went full Fedora in my Mac, but then I will have it side by side with El Capitan thanks to Parallels (@JosephWright). :)

I am just waiting for my +8GB RAM arrive tomorrow. :)

@egreg are you sure you are not installing Windows?

@DavidCarlisle The long expected time is suspicious! But now it is saying 7 minutes.

First message from El Capitan

@egreg is it the last one forever as well? :D

@yo' Apparently the machine is working

@egreg Good

@egreg Now fix all of your paths?

@JosephWright MacTeX's working

@JosephWright Yes, there's still /usr/texbin at the top and /Library/TeX/texbin at the end. How did you put /Library/TeX/texbin at the top?

@egreg I didn't ;-) When all the issues came up with 10.10 I decided 'sod this' and just added the real location to my path using paths.d, and listed all of my installations in TeXworks so I can flip between them

@David: soon my Mac will have Windows 10 + Fedora 24.

@PauloCereda so you can help Ulrike answer all the miktex questions

@DavidCarlisle What's MiKTeX? :)

(Windows 10 courtesy of DreamSpark)

@PauloCereda if you have time to fiddle with system setup it must be time for:

@DavidCarlisle oh no!

@Johannes_B Yes.

@cfr: Quack! Do you use Fedora or Arch? Or both? :)

@JosephWright looks like @UlrikeFischer wants us to get that github organisation set up asap:-)

@DavidCarlisle ? What did I do?

@UlrikeFischer hyperref email:-)

@UlrikeFischer -76 to 100K!

@egreg Working on it!

@egreg And with only two gold badges meta.tex.stackexchange.com/a/6426/2388

@DavidCarlisle You should help: we need one vote

@egreg OK:-)

Congrats, @UlrikeFischer!

@DavidCarlisle I guess so: this evening

@UlrikeFischer Congratulations!!!

@UlrikeFischer welcome to the club (sorry the existing members are so disreputable:-)

@cfr you next?

@DavidCarlisle Organisation created on GitHub, now just have to add some code

@DavidCarlisle I guess I'll import hyperref from TL'15 and do the updates to bring it in line with TL'16

@JosephWright yes or from ctan would be canonical place to start?

@DavidCarlisle Indeed, probably best

@DavidCarlisle Assuming no-one else does, I'll make a start on this later today

@JosephWright I could do it (as I did the tl version anyway)

@DavidCarlisle Fine with me: I'll add you as an admin

@JosephWright ooh

@PauloCereda github.com/ho-tex

@JosephWright Found it too, it was in my GitHub timeline. :)

@JosephWright For Christmas, it could be ho-ho-ho-tex. :)

(I know it means Heiko). :)

@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle: What does that mean for miktex? Will a new version get to ctan so that it can pick it from there? (ifpdf is imho also outdated in miktex).

@UlrikeFischer That's the plan, yes

@UlrikeFischer yes I have just copied files from ctan to github plan is to update and re-submit (this has been pre-agreed with ctan/heiko) but currently github is complaining my ssh key was created before it changed its policy: not surprising as it was created before github existed:-)

@UlrikeFischer yes we have set up an organisation on github to update any of his packages that need updating.

@UlrikeFischer github.com/ho-tex/hyperref is a copy of ctan but I'll do the updates tonight and re-submit

@DavidCarlisle Fine. So if I see miktex (next) user complain that hyperref leads to error I will tell them to load luatex85 and wait until things are sorted out...

@UlrikeFischer yes please:-)

@UlrikeFischer We have been working pretty hard on all of this, but it's a small team to sort out a lot of disparate issues

@JosephWright I know and I appreciate how many things are handled currently. I could also ask Christian to get the files from texlive, but I want to avoid to confuse things so I will do it only if you say so.

@UlrikeFischer Probably best to go via ctan, we did the update directly in tl just for the pretest, before you'd managed to re-establish contact, but now we have a clear path to updating on ctan that would be better, just needs a bit of time to set up:-)

@DavidCarlisle Yes imho a clear path is always better. On the miktex site a server downtime for the 9/10.5 is announced and this could mean Christians plans to release luatex 0.95 and the other updates.

[14:19] <thurstylark> !give prmc welcome
[14:19] <phrik> prmc: Welcome to #archlinux – Tell us how you fucked up.

^^ The ArchLinux community. :)

@CarLaTeX Well, then it seems to work fine, so I would just ignore that warning from TikZedt.

@TorbjørnT. Thank you, @TorbjørnT.

@JosephWright: around? :)

@PauloCereda Hi

@JosephWright Oh I managed to unfreeze a chatroom. :)

@UlrikeFischer I know you don't care about rep points, but we still care about having you around! Thanks!

Anyone else following the session in Tavern on the Meta?

@JosephWright not really. Something worth joining? I've got my ginger ale, so I'm ready for a tavern :D

@yo' Just seeing what the Powers think about various things

@JosephWright Is it still "we don't care about small site we've got SO and Careers," or is there anything new?

@yo' Current topic is about comments

@JosephWright I'll join and see, thanks

@yo' I see you decided to join in :-)

@JosephWright yep :)

but it's close to impossible to follow what's going on

@yo' Hmm

@yo' I suspect that like many things, comment issues are something that other sites have that we don't really see

@JosephWright yeah, btw, I've never seen this:

@yo' Trying to keep things at least slightly under control!

@yo' I can do that here if you want a surprise!

@Yo Speaking of the hammer, I better schedule Answer the Unanswered

@JosephWright That means I cannot spam anymore?

@StackExchange Hi!

:D

@JosephWright I think I should really change my nickname. Pings don't reach me when ' is omitted :( this time it's no harm, but often it is...

@yo' Oops, sorry about that (I do know it needs to be there)

@JosephWright makes sense. I mean, that place is crazy now, and it must be pure madness for the room mod to make sure things go well.

@JosephWright here we go again :)

@JosephWright don't suppose you know how this got made do you?

mirrors.ctan.org/macros/latex/contrib/hyperref/README.pdf

@DavidCarlisle Heiko's extremely complex back-end set up, I suspect

@DavidCarlisle ... which is one of the issues

(and ChangeLog.pdf) my original plan was to just drop them but hyperref.pdf links to them, I may just edit in acrobat and add a note with a new date

@JosephWright I didn't check them in, as I assumed they'd be made from the sources but I don't feel like writing a pseudo-markdown processor to typeset the readme tonight so not today... So thinking I'll check them in, edit and check in again rather than treat as generated.

@DavidCarlisle Fine

@DavidCarlisle Got it: kpsewhich hyperref.dtx then take a look in the doc tree there (at manual.tex)

@JosephWright I have manual.tex but it doesn't mention changelog?

@DavidCarlisle Where's that in the PDF?

@JosephWright front page of hyperref.pdf (from bmhydoc.sty: \@bmhydoc{1}{ChangeLog.pdf}{ChangeLog} I think)

@ChristianHupfer Männertag ... out all day climbing trees and rocks. Finally arrived at about 8 pm the place i know me people would be. Almost all in a final state.

And they informed me that the library man is gone. :-( A minute silence please.

@PauloCereda Both. At least until the end of the next fortnight or so. I may lose the Fedora box then. (Though I'll still have Fedora to administer on my mother's computer, if that counts.) Quhy?

@cfr I am thinking of a rolling release. :)

@PauloCereda Ah. You mean switching to Arch?

@cfr Maybe. :)

@JosephWright you've got mail (or the mailing list doesn't work:-)

@UlrikeFischer ifpdf next.... github.com/ho-tex/oberdiek

@DavidCarlisle ;-)

@PauloCereda I wouldn't recommend Arch if your main reason is to get a rolling release. You have to like the sound of The Arch Way. Don't be tempted by one of the Arch derivatives. If you want Arch, use Arch. The derivatives are unsupported and actively discouraged by Arch's developers and are often poorly (and insecurely) designed. They tend to get security fixes much later partly because they often prioritise user experience over security. (Whether users want this experience is another question.)

@DavidCarlisle For what? Is it bad? Everything else I'm next for this week is very, very bad.

@cfr see the previous line, @UlrikeFischer just joined the 100k club (until the powers remove a chunk of her rep because of serial duck voting:-) and you seem to be next up as loopspace is quiet these days

@PauloCereda ^^

@DavidCarlisle Is it bad? Everything else I'm next for this week is very, very bad.

@UlrikeFischer Llongyfarchiadau!

@cfr Diolch yn fawr!

@cfr Uh-oh. I tried Fedora Rawhide and it was a mess. I talked with the Arch guys in the IRC chatroom and the impression was that I was going to rage a lot with the distro. :)

@DavidCarlisle oh no!

@PauloCereda Why?

:D

In the verge of a new Fedora release, I always get hyped with those distros.

@PauloCereda What? Are they usually that rude? The forums can be a bit abrasive - they'll tell you to RTFM if you clearly haven't or, more likely, to read the wiki - but that's ridiculous. Unless there's some IRC etiquette which makes that a socially normal greeting.

@cfr That was actually the IRC bot named Phrik. :) The folks in the IRC channel were helpful and gave me a lot of tips about the distro. They've mentioned the derivatives and how I would be on my own if I opted for them. :)

@PauloCereda I would also say this: if you have read the wiki and you have googled it and you explain what you've done and so on, then you can get fantastic help on the forums. Far better than I've found for Linux Mint or Fedora. In a different class.

@cfr The wiki is very detailed, it's the sort of technical document I like to read. :) Maybe it's worth mentioning I came from the depths of Slackware before I switched to Fedora. :)

@PauloCereda I don't really know what that means. But you have to like the wiki to use Arch. Here's my first thread on their forums. Note that neither I nor they start out with any idea that an obscure requirement for Fat-32, ignored by the vast majority of firmware, is causing boot to fail. So this was never going to be a quick and easy question. But I'm a new user so both they and I assume that I've missed something.

@cfr Wow, that's a fantastic homework! You did a great research and put the nuts and bolts together. :)

@PauloCereda One of the people helping me there is responsible for the grub2 packaging for Arch and really knows the grub2/EFI stuff well. Actually, my research success depended on desperation. If I'd not been hopelessly desperate, I would never have let Ubuntu's installer lose on my system. But I just had no idea what else to do at that point. And neither did anybody else. For the record, I no longer have a Fat-16 EFI partition but a Fat-32 one. Mine was just too small. The wiki now explains this.

@PauloCereda But my main point was just that people made sustained and mostly knowledgeable attempts to help me. Even though I started by honestly listing a whole bunch of highly relevant things about which I knew very little. That is, they didn't require me to be an expert. I said I only knew what I'd gleaned from the wiki and I was willing to read other links when pointed to them. And I sometimes said I didn't know how to follow instructions. The nightmare was not of Arch's making!

@PauloCereda You know much more than me about Linux. Especially booting it. (yaboot was not much preparation for grub2. OpenFirmware was not much preparation for UEFI!) Too bad my firmware is so picky.

@PauloCereda Actually, neither they nor I ever work out in that thread that an obscure requirement for Fat-32 is causing the failure. We conclude it is Fat-32 itself which is the problem. That's not true, but it seemed reasonable at the time ;).