@egreg check the scorecard

@DavidCarlisle Wow! Just 11 runs? They surely can do better.

So apparently, the Constitution Court of Czechia is using MS Word to produce PDFs with its decisions. They are full of bad typography. :(

@wilx I stopped worrying about such things several years ago. I just laugh when I see a section title at the end of a page or similar hilarious nonsense.

@egreg Is it hysterical laugh with tears swelling in your eyes? :)

@wilx Sometimes!

:D

@wilx I once wrote an article for a journal on teaching, commenting that years' final exam for scientific high school. I said, among other things, that the typesetting was full of errors (letters for variables which changed shape in the same line, function names in italics or upright in the same exercise and so forth). A reader commented that it's not an important aspect.

@egreg Uh.

@wilx Last year's edition was better, because math support in Word has improved, but still very low quality.

Well, let's hope Word will improve even further. :)

@wilx Word can be as good as it wants if the users don't care. Same here in Germany, they just don't care that it looks like sh*t.

@egreg ouch...

@GuilhermeZ.Santos And you moan about ABNT… ;-)

@egreg if you had to write you docs following ABNT you'd moan too! ahaha

@egreg at least with LaTeX they are beautifully ugly! :D

@Johannes_B I find Word users like to go so far as to argue that it actually looks good.

@StrongBad -- it does look better than it used to ... nearly all of the tex math font attributes were co-opted into the opentype math table, except for the ones for proper sizing of delimiters (\*withdelims), leaving tex at a severe disadvantage when using opentype fonts.

@barbarabeeton I wasn't talking just about the math, I was thinking more about line breaking and some of the awful things people do with formatting.

@StrongBad -- quite true. but making it difficult for tex to "compete" in the area where it is recognizably most "necessary" is, to my way of thinking, dirty pool. fact is, most people simply can't tell the difference (or just don't care) about the other features.

@barbarabeeton I have lots of colleagues who do not use much math, but still like TeX much better than Word. I didn't realize MS played dirty with the opentype font specification.

@barbarabeeton I can't really see the withdelims params not being there is a severe disadvantage, more a minor inconvenience. The fact that \choose uses a completely different stretching mechanism than \left\right is a weirdness that isn't too bad to lose I think.

@DavidCarlisle -- that may be, but it is causing major problems with the use of the new stix font. an alternate mechanism has to be devised before ams will be able to use it in production. after >10 years of effort to develop it ...

@barbarabeeton I have suggested several variants, I could easily check one of them in:-)

@DavidCarlisle -- let's take this off line. that's a possibility that may have to be adopted, but it needs testing and agreement by the persons "in authority" here. i think they need to see concrete proposals and evidence.

@JosephWright Ulrich has opened a new (unregistered) account. :(

@egreg Yes, he does that

@JosephWright Is there an estimate of how many \expandafter’s he has flooded the net with? ;-)

@egreg :)

@JosephWright The last answer has 47

@egreg but not as a sequence of adjacent tokens, we must try harder

Using the font command, the datatool stuff gets messed up. I have no clue about fonts or datatool. Can somebody please have a look? latex-community.org/forum/…

@DavidCarlisle Yes, just seven in a row (twice). I have provided a somewhat shorter version (well, loading expl3) and no visible \expandafter.

@Johannes_B Use of \newfont should be fined.

\documentclass{scrbook}

\DeclareFontFamily{T1}{suet}{}
\DeclareFontShape{T1}{suet}{m}{n}
 {
  <-> suet14
 }{}
\DeclareFontFamily{T1}{schwell}{}
\DeclareFontShape{T1}{schwell}{m}{n}
 {
  <-> schwell
 }{}
\DeclareRobustCommand{\suet}{\usefont{T1}{suet}{m}{n}}
\DeclareTextFontCommand{\textsuet}{\suet}
\DeclareRobustCommand{\schwell}{\usefont{T1}{schwell}{m}{n}}
\DeclareTextFontCommand{\textschwell}{\schwell}

\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}% europäischer Zeichensatz
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}% Zeichenkodierung

@egreg Do you want to answer there? :-)

Hi guys, I've got a lame notation question: Is there a symbol for a "round arrow" (so essentially a circle with a little bit missing, with an arrowhead). I want to use one for commutative diagrams (to indicate commutativity), bu I don't know what to use.

@Johannes_B Even better

\documentclass{scrbook}

\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}% europäischer Zeichensatz
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}% Zeichenkodierung
\usepackage[german,ngerman]{babel}% neue deutsche Rechtschreibung, wichtig für Umlaute und Trennungsregeln

\usepackage{suetterl}
\usepackage{datatool}
\usepackage{units}

\usepackage{hyperref}   % letztes Paket
\hypersetup{%
bookmarksopen,%
}

\DTLsetseparator{;}
% Zähler starten
\newcounter{dbCounter}

%\newcommand{\writeSectionName}[1]{\DTLforeach[\DTLisieq{\ersteSpalte}{#1}]{aktRezeptDB\arabic{dbCounter}}{\ersteSpalte=1,\zweiteSpalte=2}{\zweiteSpalte}}

You work with commutative diagrams right, @egreg? Any idea?

@Johannes_B I'm not registered there

@Danu Yes, I've made some skyscraper diagram in the past. ;-)

@egreg I'm going to add your answer there tomorro. Of course with proper attribution :-)

@Danu Use tikz-cd

@egreg I am!

But I don't know how to make a little round arrow (to put in the middle of a commuting square to indicate it commutes)

@Johannes_B Remember the fine

@egreg Fine?

@Johannes_B For using \newfont

D'oh, I should've done a better job googling:

@Danu My diagrams are all commutative, so I don't need it.

@egreg I am no using it.

@Johannes_B But the OP was

@egreg Yes :-)

@egreg Heh. I've got a diagram in which part commutes.

@Danu Does that thread help?

Yes, it does :) I was looking for \circlearrowleft. Detexify sadly failed :\

Now I can simply use a phantom arrow with that for a label.

@Danu Yes, that's the idea. Maybe it's a bit more difficult if you need to add it inside a triangle.

Only need a square for now :)

@JosephWright Two new accounts in the same day!

@DavidCarlisle: WOW!! I lay low for a while and you start answering TikZ questions without resorting to picture mode!! tex.stackexchange.com/questions/335738/…