TeX, LaTeX and Friends - 2015-07-13 (page 1 of 2)

12:47 AM

Does biber read in the whole bib file? It seems to be hanging on a really large one.

1:09 AM

@egreg I have edited the question substantially, made the question more clear, added the screenshots of my remake with plain TeX and also the code. So, is there a chance that it will be reopened?

Sean Allred

1:20 AM

@AlanMunn This is one of those times I really wish I understood Perl.

Paulo Cereda

@SeanAllred Who does? :)

Sean Allred

@AlanMunn From what I can tell, yes, but I wouldn't take my word on it.

@PauloCereda That's an excellent question

Paulo Cereda

@SeanAllred :)

Ho1

For the reference, I am talking about this question: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/255063/… (Is this an originally typeset paper from 1946, or a new remake with TeX?) If you agree this is a good question, please vote for reopening.

Alan Munn

@SeanAllred Yes, I think it does too, and biber is much slower than bibtex because it does more things (and is written in Perl). Although I've used this file before. But it just seems to hang.

Sean Allred

1:29 AM

@AlanMunn I don't suppose you could provide a minimal working example ;)

@AlanMunn With anything that big (I'm imagining at least a 50MB .bib), I would try to split it up by category.

Alan Munn

@SeanAllred Do you really want a 3.5 Mb bib file with almost 6000 references... :)

Sean Allred

@AlanMunn If you want to email it to me, I'd be happy to try to pin down the problem over here. No guarantees, though :(

Alan Munn

@SeanAllred 50 Mb would be huge indeed.

Ho1

Compress it. Text files like bib files, can be compressed a lot with zip, gzip, etc.

Alan Munn

@SeanAllred No, it's ok. Thanks. I just switched to natbib and bibtex and it worked.

Sean Allred

1:31 AM

@AlanMunn I keep electronic notes at my job. I've been employed for almost six months and I've over 8MB of plaintext notes.

I wonder if biber could be replaced with a compiled version… If another program took the same input and had the same output, I can't imagine there would be a problem.

It's a pity that it can't handle all that.

Sean Allred

1:45 AM

@PauloCereda In case you are interested:

find . -name '*.tex' -execdir arara -v {} \;

note -execdir

Sean Allred

2:00 AM

Is there any value in converting this answer to a comment?

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A: No room for a new \dimen

This is a FAQ, which is answered at http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=noroom

Paulo Cereda

2:26 AM

@SeanAllred ooh that looks awesome!

Sean Allred

@PauloCereda It's quite useful :) I just can't have any parent-directory dependencies :)

Paulo Cereda

@SeanAllred :) Is it POSIX?

Sean Allred

@PauloCereda Almost certain, but let me check

Paulo Cereda

@SeanAllred it is it is, I just checked. :)

How nice!

Sean Allred

@PauloCereda Woohoo!

Paulo Cereda

2:28 AM

@SeanAllred <3

Sean Allred

@PauloCereda <3 Currently writing up a script for a video: "Just Enough TeX to Get By"

Paulo Cereda

@SeanAllred ooh

Sean Allred

@PauloCereda I'm planning on putting that intro video to use some time this week :)

@PauloCereda Any ideas for a sound clip to play during that intro though? You seem to be a creative type :)

Ho1

6:07 AM

Any other people interested in this question? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/255063/… (Is this an originally typeset paper from 1946, or a new remake with TeX?) Please vote for reopening.

Joseph Wright

@Ho1 I have no idea what you are actually asking

Ho1

Why are these so similar.

I found an article from 1946, and the output is like what I get with the TeX system that I have now.

Joseph Wright

@Ho1 Well DEK looked over a lot of material he considered to be 'good typesetting' when creating TeX. So it's not surprising that his outcomes are similar to those used by leading works for the past.

Ho1

So, I learned a lot from the comments. Specially the paper from Knuth was really helpful and interesting.

And it gave me insight about the history of TeX.

Joseph Wright

@Ho1 There are millions of existing documents: finding one that happens to come out with the same layout when typeset by hand and by TeX proves very little

Ho1

6:15 AM

So, I think it deserved to be asked.

Ho1

6:30 AM

This is one of the interesting papers I was suggested to read: math.lsa.umich.edu/~millerpd/docs/501_Winter13/Knuth79.pdf

As DavidCarlisle said: "this paper of Knuths where he explains that the design of cm fonts and tex came about partly to get back to that era of AMS publication quality..."

David Carlisle

7:00 AM

@Ho1 it's an interesting subject but off topic for this site.

@Nasser search this site for topskip's visual-lua-debug package (which is now in texlive but started as an answer here)

@Nasser vvv

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Q: How can I visualize boxes?

This question led to a new package: lua-visual-debug Some of you may know the Web Developer Toolbar for Firefox that can outline the block level elements of a page like this: Is there a way to do something similar with TeX boxes for a complete document?

boxes

daleif

8:04 AM

I'm quietly reading source3e.pdf, on page 11 about protected. Is that a hypen in the name or is _-protected a part of the syntax?

Reading on, it just seems to be a bad hyphenation...

Joseph Wright

unicode.org/announcements/quotations.html#knuth

@daleif Just the usual automatic hyphenation: we (or rather @WillRobertson) haven't set up hyphenless line breaking

daleif

@JosephWright just noted it as it might be confusing to readers ;-)

Joseph Wright

8:23 AM

@daleif Complain at @WillRobertson :-)

egreg

8:47 AM

@JosephWright Waiting for Unicode being implemented in TeX. ;-)

Joseph Wright

@egreg Certainly an interesting quote

daleif

@WillRobertson, source3.pdf, page 36, 2nd paragraph, first line: firs -> first?

Joseph Wright

@daleif That one is just a typo, so I can deal with it :-)

David Carlisle

9:20 AM

@JosephWright I see @barbarabeeton gets quoted as well:-)

Johannes_B

@DavidCarlisle And joel spolsky unicode.org/announcements/quotations.html#spolsky

David Carlisle

@Johannes_B not as famous as barbara!

Johannes_B

@DavidCarlisle That is correct :-)

Johannes_B

9:53 AM

@SeanAllred I guess not. Not after so many years.

Paulo Cereda

10:05 AM

@JosephWright: how do you like the second image? :)

@SeanAllred How do you like any of this? dig.ccmixter.org/files/hansatom/50718 or dig.ccmixter.org/files/hisboyelroy/430

Paulo Cereda

10:47 AM

Oh, Mr. Iwata has passed away. :(

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: Who is Mr. Iwata?

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer Global president of Nintendo. One of the kindest persons in the gaming industry.

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda Oh, I've got a WII U, but I've never heard of him...

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer He was a very nice person. :) Let me try to find out one of his jewels.

@ChristianHupfer: Here: nintendoeverything.com/… The interview is simply amazing. :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda Thanks, I will read it later on.

Paulo Cereda

11:02 AM

@ChristianHupfer ;)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda :-)

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright How about using this second image as background for your first slide (title)? :)

The only "heavy" slide. :)

Paulo Cereda

11:49 AM

@DavidCarlisle I want to be quoted too. :(

> It's outrageous to not have a Unicode duck glyph.

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda have you seen the 9.0 pipeline....

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh link

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda you should be more careful what you wish for:

blog.unicode.org/2015/05/unicode-90-candidate-emoji.html

U+1F986

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle That duck doesn't look like a proper duck because the beak does not look like a proper beak; where's the duck committee of the Unicode consortium? :)

I want to register a complaint.

@JosephWright @ChristianHupfer ^^

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda Some Norwegian Blue Duck which is nailed to a stick?

David Carlisle

11:54 AM

@PauloCereda as explained in the notes above (which being a duck you probably didn't read) they are rough sketches not intended to represent real fonts, your phone supplier may supply a font with full colour animated quacking duck...

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle oooooooooooooooooooooh

@DavidCarlisle I did a vertical reading. :P

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda Japanese duck

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: By the way: Have you renewed your Duck licence already? That's a very important act, of course ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer Pining for the ~~Volkswagens~~ ~~Chryslers~~ ~~Fords~~ Fjords.

@ChristianHupfer I thought licenses were only applicable to pets named Eric. :)

David Carlisle

🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆

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@PauloCereda come back to ^^^ in a years time and you may see a row of ducks....

Paulo Cereda

11:57 AM

@DavidCarlisle LOL

@DavidCarlisle Starred for future reference. :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda Just rename all your ducks Eric then? ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer No. :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda Das Spaßbremse :-P

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer I don't know that word, there is a ß in it! :)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright yes new name fine:-)

Christian Hupfer

12:00 PM

@PauloCereda Well, the funny ß letter ... yes. It means fun killer or party pooper :D

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda I wish to report a burglary ...

Johannes_B

SPAẞBREMSE

Looks odd.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B Looks like a B is on diet --> ß ;-)

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer Looks better with Libertine :-)

Christian Hupfer

12:07 PM

@Johannes_B I was too lazy to change the font

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer I know from experience ;-)

Arthur Reutenauer

@DavidCarlisle What were you trying to do exactly?

David Carlisle

@ArthurReutenauer so according to xetex list \mdfivesum got added to xetex sources. So I rsync'ed to the head of svn and "mdfivesum" appears in lots of places but when I ran make it made a xetex that claims to be texlive 2016 dev but \show\mdfivesum says it is undefined.

Sean Allred

12:32 PM

@PauloCereda Ooh I've never seen this site :)

Paulo Cereda

@SeanAllred They have some nice things. :)

Joseph Wright

1:02 PM

@DavidCarlisle So next add user callbacks to our suggestions?

Arthur Reutenauer

@DavidCarlisle That’s what I suspected. Well, the primitive has just been added by Akira and is supposed to work, but I haven’t had a chance to test it myself so I really wouldn’t know for sure :-)

@PauloCereda I already pointed it out to you: unicode.org/alloc/Pipeline.html is the permanent link to the pipeline; the current one has U+1F986 DUCK.

David Carlisle

@ArthurReutenauer ducks have very short memory span

@JosephWright to ltluatex or xetex ?

Arthur Reutenauer

@PauloCereda They’ll ignore it; representative glyphs are never supposed to be exclusive and you can design your own font if you want, with a proper beak for the duck character.

By the way @JosephWright, the primitive name is now \mdfivesum as you must have seen; that was a request from Jonathan.

Paulo Cereda

@ArthurReutenauer ooh sorry I have very short memory span. :)

@ArthurReutenauer ooh more ducks!

Joseph Wright

1:49 PM

@DavidCarlisle ltluatex

@DavidCarlisle I probably need to address @UlrikeFischer's request for l3keys too: no feedback from anyone else

@ArthurReutenauer Yes, saw that, entirely sensible

David Carlisle

@JosephWright that's what I assumed, although the "reply" indicated otherwise:-) Possibly. If something needs to define something for luaotfload, then I guess ltluatex may as well define it from the start to match the primitive callbacks.

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle OK, I'll do it later today unless you beat me to it

Sean Allred

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I guess this is what happens when you leave chat open at work over the weekend.

Paulo Cereda

@SeanAllred oooooh

Sean Allred

@PauloCereda I blame you :)

Paulo Cereda

2:01 PM

@SeanAllred Me? :)

Sean Allred

@PauloCereda At least partly :)

Paulo Cereda

I am a innocent duck. :)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright would need to be late evening in my case. will make the luatexbase emulation in doctest.tex shrink to almost nothing:-)

Arthur Reutenauer

2:19 PM

@JosephWright Good. Karl wasn’t extremely happy with Jonathan’s suggestion to use \mdfivesum; I would tend to agree with Karl that it would have been better to use \pdfmdfivesum since it was preempted by pdfTeX; but Akira let himself be convinced that it was a good idea to use \mdfivesum and since he did all the job he’s the one who gets the last word :-)

Paulo Cereda

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@JosephWright ^^ :)

David Carlisle

@ArthurReutenauer prefixes are bad:-)

Sean Allred

2:38 PM

@PauloCereda This makes me smile :)

Paulo Cereda

@SeanAllred Joseph doesn't like "heavy slides", but I'm telling him to leave at least this title. :)

Sean Allred

@PauloCereda I think @JosephWright should at least have this as an alternative title slide -- one to show after the first, more formal title slide :)

Paulo Cereda

@SeanAllred :)

Joseph Wright

2:55 PM

@ArthurReutenauer I'm with Hans on primitive naming: \pdf... implies a relationship to PDF output so is fine for \pdfliteral , \pdfcatalog, ... but not really for \(pdf)strmcp or \(pdf)primitive so also not really applicable to \(pdf)mdfivesum

Johannes_B

3:05 PM

da demblade is givin me heddegg

nutty about natty

hello

have been pokin' around and wasting far too much time on this:

getting an image to align vertically as desired in a tabular environment

Sean Allred

@nuttyaboutnatty sounds like a baseline alignment question?

what exactly does 'as desired' entail? (and why not just ask a question on the main site? ;))

Torbjørn T.

@nuttyaboutnatty There have been a few questions about that before I think. What do you have, and what is desired?

nutty about natty

& \multirow{7}{*}{\raisebox{-.3\height}[\ht\strutbox]{\includegraphics[trim=0mm 0mm -50mm 0mm, clip, scale=0.21]{./figures/my_image}}}

compiled a million times

encapsulating multirow with raisebox and vice versa

Joseph Wright

@ArthurReutenauer We can talk about primitive naming at TUG2015 :-)

nutty about natty

3:14 PM

addding parameters to raisebox {}[]

some take radical effect

others don't do nothing

prowled SX

wiki

google

e.g. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/116520/…

and tex.stackexchange.com/questions/15853/…

nowhere could I yet find (or make good sense) of what's going awry :(

Sean Allred

@nuttyaboutnatty I was thinking more of the [t] and [b] specifiers for baseline alignment, but i can't remember how \includegraphics deals with that

my LaTeX knowledge is waning these days :)

David Carlisle

@nuttyaboutnatty get rid of multirow and use \begin{picture}(0,0)\put(0,-10){\includegraphics{...}}\end{picture} and adjust the coordinate until it looks right

nutty about natty

"Images are added with a zero depth" - tex.stackexchange.com/a/15858/27721

David Carlisle

@nuttyaboutnatty by default, yes

nutty about natty

this is approaching what I want:

& \multirow{7}{*}{\raisebox{-.8\height}[\ht\strutbox]{\includegraphics[trim=0mm 0mm -50mm 0mm, clip, scale=0.21]{./figures/bla}}}

however,

ht strutbox is still latin to me (I read up on "h" and "t", but I don't know why I should know about it)

all I'd want is to push the image up, say, 3-4mm

simple.

{-.8\height}[\ht\strutbox] is probably taking a huge detour and a lot of unnecessary and frustrating trial-and-error compilation, no?

David Carlisle

3:20 PM

@nuttyaboutnatty \ht\strutbox is essentially the height of the highest character in the current font, although why use that in the depth argument of \raisebox I can only guess.

@nuttyaboutnatty no well tex does no trial and error, you may be doing to come up with values (where did 0.8 come from?)

nutty about natty

@DavidCarlisle because for some to-me-arcane reason dropping that [] parameter would result in my raisebox having no effect what-so-ever

@DavidCarlisle from my repeated trial-and-error compilations :-)

far from "elegant"

David Carlisle

@nuttyaboutnatty if you want to raise something by 3mm then if you are in vertical mode put \vspace{-3mm} before it, if you are in horizontal mode use \raisebox{3mm}{...} this applies to any tex construct, a word, a table an image....

Sean Allred

TeX in a nutshell: stacks on stacks on stacks

nutty about natty

@DavidCarlisle & \multirow{7}{*}{\raisebox{15mm}{\includegraphics[trim=0mm 0mm -50mm 0mm, clip, scale=0.21]{./figures/bla}}}

has no effect (in my case)

David Carlisle

8 mins ago, by David Carlisle

@nuttyaboutnatty get rid of multirow and use \begin{picture}(0,0)\put(0,-10){\includegraphics{...}}\end{picture} and adjust the coordinate until it looks right

@nuttyaboutnatty but this is the chat room for cricket results and other trivia, if you have a question that requires code in an answer, make a real complete example and post a question to the main site. But you know that:-)

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Sean Allred

3:27 PM

Speaking of, what is the !!/score?

Arthur Reutenauer

@JosephWright Sure :-)

David Carlisle

@SeanAllred Clearly you were not paying attention! We won first test, second hasn't started yet.

Sean Allred

@DavidCarlisle Clearly :)

Also I have no idea what you're talking about with these tests

I have no knowledge whatsoever of the workings of cricket

(Other than that, superficially, it looks kinda like baseball)

nutty about natty

@DavidCarlisle ok... :-)

Arthur Reutenauer

@JosephWright Actually, I think one way to look at it, that was sported by Karl, is that pdf as a prefix has been preempted by pdfTeX and hence means that the primitive is related to that engine, not necessarily to PDF. But even then, the prefix hasn’t been used consistently anyway.

@JosephWright Jonathan was defending pretty much your point of view that prefixes only make sense when they’re related to some special capability of the engine.

Joseph Wright

3:33 PM

@ArthurReutenauer LuaTeX is rolling this back at the engine level

@ArthurReutenauer I see the logic but then what about Omega, Aleph, eTeX, ...

David Carlisle

@ArthurReutenauer I agree with Jonathan and Joseph.

@SeanAllred get @PauloCereda to explain it to you.

Arthur Reutenauer

@JosephWright And Akira, probably out of deference for Jonathan as the creator of XeTeX, surrendered completely to his opinion without arguing. Karl also gave up pretty soon, while incidentally calling the use of the pdf prefix for pdfTeX primitives “irrelevantly meaningless” (!)

Sean Allred

@DavidCarlisle I might get another 189 pings by the end of that :)

Arthur Reutenauer

@DavidCarlisle Oh, I don’t really have an opinion any more at this stage, I’m merely summing up the discussion :-)

Joseph Wright

@ArthurReutenauer :-)

@ArthurReutenauer Karl has a very definite opinion about primitive naming, but I am not sure he is really right. We have some LuaTeX issues to tackle in that area soon (cf. @DavidCarlisle and my ongoing work on LuaTeX support in the LaTeX kernel)

barbara beeton

3:49 PM

@DavidCarlisle -- information added, as the last in an interminable list of comments. (in those days, the compositing organization was proud to identify itself on the copyright page. quick trip to the in-house library was all it took.)

David Carlisle

@barbarabeeton thanks:-)

barbara beeton

@Nasser -- of course this is possible; illustrations showing exactly this kind of output appear on p.65 of the texbook. the input code isn't shown there, and i'm not sure what to search for to find that (it has probably been published somewhere in tugboat, but i don't remember by whom). however, since the input for the texbook is included in tex live, the content of that page could be researched to see how it was done.

Alenanno

I was unsure whether to post my solution which was too similar to an existing one, and @cfr steals my thunder. >_> Shame on you! :P lol

Paulo Cereda

@SeanAllred Cricket is about going in and out in the right time, and sometimes you are allowed to be in when others are out, but not always vice-versa. And you have some ball hitting action happening while people are getting in and out, but not synchronously, because if you are out when others are in, the others have to go out, so you can go in, and the opposite is also true, but only when some guy who was allowed to be in went out for whatever reason, or just came in for the very same reason. :)

cfr

@Alenanno Then mine is too similar?

Would somebody be so kind as to check my maths?

tex.stackexchange.com/a/255176

It is a really long time since I did any geometry ;).

Alenanno

4:04 PM

@cfr No, the other one was too similar. You don't use intersections because you're calculating C, I got it from the intersection with the arc.

cfr

@Alenanno But does mine work?

I tend to avoid anything relying on a subject I haven't studied in a very, very long time ;).

Alenanno

@cfr The result of your calculation is 3.2. Let me see if mine shows the same number.

...if I manage to see it.

Uhm ok maybe mine is too different.

egreg

@cfr Yes, CX² = AX · BX (Euclid's second theorem)

Alenanno

Euclid, crafty little devil. :P

egreg

@Alenanno Well, I'm supposed to remember it, as I give a short course on Euclid's Elements. ;-)

Alenanno

4:13 PM

@egreg Well, apparently you do remember it.

:P

egreg

@Alenanno I remember also the first one: BC² = BX · AB

@Alenanno Together with the other relation AC² = AX · AB, it follows also Pythagoras' theorem that's however proved much earlier in the Elements, without using similarity between triangles. The proof is quite complicated, because it's based on a clever decomposition of the squares on the catheti in several pieces that can be reordered to give the square on the hypothenuse. Much like in tangram.

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle I hope my reply to the latest LaTeL-L message is about right

Alenanno

@egreg I don't remember much from my geometry classes... :P

David Carlisle

@JosephWright I'd half written a reply but deleted when yours came:-) Yes was saying same more or less.

Joseph Wright

4:32 PM

@DavidCarlisle Am tempted to add that nothing is decided (hence the code is not the the team SVN)

Sean Allred

@PauloCereda color me enlightened

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Could you perhaps combine the two graphics? I like the little chap looking for a codepoint but also the various 'wild' codepoints!

@SeanAllred Do you understand baseball?

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Your wish is my command. :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Great

Sean Allred

@JosephWright Baseball has the advantage of being a native sport

Joseph Wright

4:40 PM

@PauloCereda We should co-opt you as official LaTeX team artist :-)

@SeanAllred /me Mumbles 'rounders'

Sean Allred

@JosephWright all in favor: aye

@JosephWright That went over my head, sorry

Joseph Wright

@SeanAllred You are at an advantage understanding cricket, then :-) Other than cricket, baseball and related sports, the idea of having two teams doing very different things seems not to occur in other sports

Rounders

Rounders (Irish: cluiche corr) is a bat-and-ball game played between two teams. Rounders is a striking and fielding team game that involves hitting a small, hard, leather-cased ball with a rounded end wooden, plastic or metal bat. The players score by running around the four bases on the field. The game is popular among Irish and British school children. Gameplay centres on a number of innings, in which teams alternate at batting and fielding. A maximum of nine players are allowed to field at any time. Points (known as 'rounders') are scored by the batting team when one of their players completes...

Sean Allred

@JosephWright Oh, I meant that I'm native to the sport, not the other way around :) I've known baseball for as long as I can remember

Joseph Wright

@SeanAllred Ah :-)

Sean Allred

@JosephWright that is definitely interesting -- never noticed that

Joseph Wright

4:43 PM

@SeanAllred Have you ever tried to explain baseball to someone from a country where it's not played and where they've never seen it played? I imagine it's much the same as trying to explain cricket to people: it's not at all easy

Paulo Cereda

@SeanAllred oh no!

Sean Allred

@PauloCereda >:)

@JosephWright Certainly :) I'll just have to watch a few (tens of) games, then

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright: you got mail. :)

Johannes_B

Out of curiosity, did anybody understand this?

2 hours ago, by Johannes_B

da demblade is givin me heddegg

Paulo Cereda

@Johannes_B Das template ist giving sie sehr headakhes. :)

Sean Allred

4:48 PM

@Johannes_B something is giving you a headache

Torbjørn T.

@Johannes_B You get headaches from templates. Nothing new there.

Sean Allred

^ smarter men than i

Paulo Cereda

@SeanAllred Nah you are smarter than the average duck. :)

Johannes_B

@TorbjørnT. <3 This time it is a specific template :-)

Paulo Cereda

<3

Sean Allred

4:49 PM

@PauloCereda <3

Paulo Cereda

@Johannes_B it could be a drunk German trying to speak Welsh. <3

Sean Allred

@PauloCereda @Johannes_B not enough Ls

Paulo Cereda

@SeanAllred ooooh

Sean Allred

20 hours ago, by Sean Allred

> They've gone mental with the L

Johannes_B

@PauloCereda More like a saxon trying to speak english. We don't have p, k or t in our spoken language. As is said by so many.

Paulo Cereda

4:52 PM

Jun 8 at 15:56, by Paulo Cereda

@ArthurReutenauer You are jealous because I have a wagenbobl and you don't. :P

<3

cfr

@egreg Thank you. I guess I took a long way around... ;). But it is somewhat reassuring to know that what I seemed to remember may actually be remembered !

Johannes_B

@PauloCereda All i can say to this is: quack :-)

Paulo Cereda

@Johannes_B quack! :)

egreg

@cfr The proof is exactly using your tools: similar triangles.

Johannes_B

@StefanKottwitz Are you noticing any performance issues? My system is always slow (as you know :-) ) but Besserwisser reported issues today as well.

Joseph Wright

4:57 PM

@PauloCereda Looks great

@PauloCereda @DavidCarlisle's seen a draft of the slides but not the amazing graphic: I'll hold it back for the real thing :-)

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright oooh :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda @PauloCereda Probably can't get it into TUGBoat (colour printing) so I might pop it on my blog, but not until after the talk

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Oh. :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda I'll see how it greyscales

@PauloCereda Hmm, might work OK

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright I am waiting to see my printed article and how the arara logo looks greyscale. :)

Joseph Wright

5:03 PM

@PauloCereda Indeed

@PauloCereda I've got at least three TUGboat articles to write before the end of the month! (I've ended up with an extra talk)

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Oh my! That many!

Well, I have one for ArsTeXnica. :)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright can't do any harm

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda One will be short, one is half-written (Unicodeland), one yet to write (through the parshape)

Stefan Kottwitz

5:20 PM

@Johannes_B I did, but not currently

Johannes_B

5:33 PM

Quick survey, please raise your hands: Who does not know, what package setspace is doing?

egreg

@Johannes_B Evil. Did I win?

Johannes_B

@egreg Not sure, did you?

We need a judge. @DavidCarlisle, wanna do the honours?

David Carlisle

5:50 PM

@Johannes_B judge what?

@Johannes_B oh judge egreg? he lost.

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Of course. ;-) Go Aussies!

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle boolean judge(Person person) { return person.name.equals("egreg") ? false : Dice.roll() % 2 == 0; }

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda sure that would pass our peer review process

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle :)

Johannes_B

6:29 PM

@DavidCarlisle :-)

Alenanno

7:00 PM

I have a palindrome reputation! :P

Except for that comma. grrr

Joseph Wright

@Alenanno \sisetup{group-digits = false} ;-)

Alenanno

@JosephWright Eheh

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright: Should I come up with a beamer theme for @David's talk too? Unless he's gonna use the "latex.dtx opened in an emacs buffer" trick again. :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Don't think @DavidCarlisle is talking

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright o.O

Joseph Wright

7:10 PM

@PauloCereda BTW, I think your graphic would make a good first slide: not sure whether to go with that alone or add some text too

@PauloCereda @DavidCarlisle might get roped in by Frank in his talk (but then so might I!)

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright You could add your title. :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Indeed

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda they don't trust me to talk about anything

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle You could have given your 'fixing LaTeX' talk to a bigger audience :-)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright or the year before's longtable bugs

Paulo Cereda

7:20 PM

\documentclass[11pt]{beamer}

\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage{graphicx}
\usepackage[absolute,overlay]{textpos}

\title{Joseph's Adventures in Unicodeland}
\author{Joseph Wright}
\date{\today}

\begin{document}

\usebackgroundtemplate{\includegraphics[width=\paperwidth,keepaspectratio]{unicodeland_final.png}}

\begin{frame}

\begin{textblock}{8}(7.5,1.5)
\centering
{\Large\bfseries Joseph's Adventures in Unicodeland}

\vspace{2em}

Joseph Wright
\end{textblock}

\end{frame}

@JosephWright ^^

@JosephWright: what if I put the glyphs on the ground, only?

@JosephWright: you got mail, cleaner version. :)

\documentclass[11pt]{beamer}

\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage{graphicx}
\usepackage[absolute,overlay]{textpos}

\title{Joseph's Adventures in Unicodeland}
\author{Joseph Wright}
\date{\today}

\begin{document}

\usebackgroundtemplate{\includegraphics[width=\paperwidth,keepaspectratio]{unicodeland_cleansky.png}}

\begin{frame}

\begin{textblock}{8}(6.5,1.5)
\centering
{\Large\bfseries Joseph's Adventures in Unicodeland}

\vspace{1em}

Joseph Wright
\end{textblock}

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Will go with

\begingroup
  \usebackgroundtemplate
    {\includegraphics[width=\paperwidth, height=\paperheight]{unicodeland}}
  \begin{frame}
    \begin{textblock}{8}(7.5,1.85)
      \begingroup
        \noindent
        \usebeamerfont{title}%
        \usebeamercolor[fg]{title}%
        \inserttitle
        \par
      \endgroup
    \end{textblock}
  \end{frame}
\endgroup

I think

Just wondering about the font colour

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright color.adobe.com

:)

They have nice combinations.

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Ah, you slightly misunderstand me :-)

Paulo Cereda

7:35 PM

@JosephWright Oh no!

:)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda I tend to use the colours set out by my uni for structural elements:

\definecolor{UEAblue}{RGB}{0,89,127}
\definecolor{UEAgrey}{RGB}{153,139,125}
\definecolor{UEAorange}{RGB}{215,128,25}

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright ooh :)

Joseph Wright

So normally with a white background the title is in UEAblue, but here I think black might be better

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Good plan. :)

Nasser

7:53 PM

@DavidCarlisle thanks for the link on visualizing boxes.

Is it really true I can't use luacode with tex4ht? I get an error when I do

tex4ht foo.tex
where foo.tex has any lua code in it and uses luacode package. The error is
"tex4ht" Package luacode Error: LuaTeX is required for this package. Aborting..

(/usr/local/texlive/2015/texmf-dist/tex/lualatex/luacode/luacode.sty
(/usr/local/texlive/2015/texmf-dist/tex/generic/oberdiek/ifluatex.sty)

! Package luacode Error: LuaTeX is required for this package. Aborting..

See the luacode package documentation for explanation.
Type  H <return>  for immediate help.
 ...

l.51     to prevent additional errors.}

This is a major problem, since I compile each file using lualatex and tex4ht. This means I can't use lua. I was hoping to use it more. But if the file will not compile with tex4ht, this means I'll forget learning it.

can someone please confirm the status of lua code with tex4ht?

Alan Munn

@Nasser Have you seen this?

9

Q: text4ht and LuaTeX

There is a specific command to run tex4ht with XeTeX: htxelatex (which doesn't really work actually as far as I'm concerned). What is the command to run text4ht with LuaTeX instead?

luatex tex4ht

@Nasser And also this: github.com/michal-h21/lua4ht

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