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Q: Is there a way to put two labelled equations into one \begin{equation} and align both of them at the beginning?

White House Fence JumperI can't believe how difficult it is to work with \begin{equation}. I put one extra blank row under the equation and multiple errors popped up. Anyways, I have two equations which are labelled \begin{equation} a = b + c \label{1} \end{equation} \begin{equation} ddddddd = e+x \label{2} \end{eq...

 
 
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3:14 AM
Hello!! How can I add the name of university and the name of supervisor at the title page of my thesis?

Do I have to add a command before or after \maketitle?

\begin{document}

\title{ Blabla }

\author{ Blabla }

\date{ }

\maketitle
 
 
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8:37 AM
@DavidCarlisle On my way to your part of the world, more or less
 
 
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9:51 AM
@JosephWright RAL ?
@MaryStar it depends entirely how the frontmatter commands are defined in your thesis class, they are all different you'll need to read your local documentation
 
@DavidCarlisle Yup
@DavidCarlisle Panel meeting today and tomorrow: I'm back a week on Saturday for beam time
 
10:21 AM
@JosephWright I'd say pop in as you are driving past, but I need to leave early this afternoon (got a clarinet player to listen to:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle On the train so don't actually go past
 
10:40 AM
@JosephWright trains oh yes, I've heard of them. Wine as good as @egreg's ?
 
@DavidCarlisle what happened to the trombone? :)
 
@PauloCereda keeping both going and going to big school wasn't really a possibility as apparently they can't just do music, they have science and some strange thing called "foreign languages" to do, apparently.
 
@DavidCarlisle oh no, don't tell me it's French! :)
 
@DavidCarlisle Tell them to just use Google.
@DavidCarlisle Do they have maths, too?
 
@PauloCereda of course (are there others?)
 
10:45 AM
@DavidCarlisle Piglatin. :)
 
@egreg I'll send him to you, later
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh Gregorio-Miyagi. :)
Or could be one of the Jedi blokes.
 
11:15 AM
@PauloCereda Maybe I'm on the dark side of the force^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H math.
 
@egreg ooooh :)
 
@PauloCereda @egreg's so old he only knows teletype conventions, not modern typesetting
 
@DavidCarlisle Like <strike>this</strike>? :)
 
Do you think I'll get an answer on my question or is the latter a bit "too long/complicated"? tex.stackexchange.com/q/281029/66964
 
11:41 AM
@egreg similar, but working rather than not working
@wget probably too long
@wget it needs to be short and interesting enough to distract people from more important business like trading insults here.
 
@DavidCarlisle Almost at glorious Didcot!
 
12:00 PM
@JosephWright Are you sure they didn't blow it up along with the cooling towers?
@JosephWright Was I negative enough on luatex list? :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle I've said much the same thing
@DavidCarlisle Yes, this is definitely Didcot (now on the bus)
 
@JosephWright Your internet coverage is impressive. :)
 
@PauloCereda The bus is a new one: we are no longer allowed to get a taxi during office hours
 
@JosephWright ooh the famous black cab?
 
@PauloCereda Not in Didcot, no
 
12:06 PM
@JosephWright Oh.
 
@DavidCarlisle So we have a 'keen user' for LuaTeX v0.85
@DavidCarlisle Nothing from HO: we are going to need plan B I suspect
 
Oh no, someone cited me!
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@DavidCarlisle We probably need to watch miktex.org/kb/roadmap-2-9
 
@JosephWright I have quite a lot to do this and next week but I'm trying to keep an eye on your discussion to be able to push if necessary a bit on the miktex side. (I also wrote HO a mail, perhaps it helps).
 
1:09 PM
@DavidCarlisle Does cutting it in several questions would help?
 
Must I do anything special after updating TexLive? To ensure i'm using lastes version of the packages
 
On my side. I've just updated my Texlive version, letting my IDE (TeXstudio) open and it took the right version. No crash.
So it should work properly on your side too, without any changes.
 
@G.Bay other than tlmgr update --self --all ? that should be enough.
@wget possibly although I've not looked in detail (not packages that I know, particularly)
 
@DavidCarlisle I'm having some trouble with PGFPLOTS colorbrewer, even after update
 
@G.Bay I know absolutely nothing about pgf:-)
 
1:20 PM
hehe, all right
I had to download the file alone and then update filename database ;)
 
@G.Bay how new is it?, the texlive people are usually pretty good at moving things to texlive (but it is a manual operation, they have to do it for each package update in their "spare" time)
 
@DavidCarlisle I don't think it's new at all, but an comment from Feb 24 question said to do so... so I did.
Just some predefined color scheme names, can't be "new" thing lol
 
@G.Bay that's odd, if the version on ctan is newer than texlive by a week or so it's worth pinging texlive list see if it got missed by accident. Unless you mean you got an update from a pgf source repository rather than ctan, in which case that's different. If the developers choose not to publish yet it won't go out by default.
 
@DavidCarlisle Yep `tlmgr update --self --all` is enough. This is what I do on Arch Linux. But pay attention at the umask value. The latter must be 022. All my bashrc are on other values, so make sure to change to umask 022 before updating ;-)
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Installation#Minimal_installation
@G.Bay ^
 
@wget dunno, i just run Tex Live Manager under windows 10, click "update installed" and pray to work lol
 
1:35 PM
@G.Bay Ah ok. You are on Windows. Personally, I don't trust TeXlive on Windows. I use MiKTeX on that platform.
BUt glad to hear TeXlive is now robust enough to run on Windows ;-)
Btw, if someone could upvote my question http://tex.stackexchange.com/q/281029/66964
in order for StackExchange to consider it as "active" and put it again in the "active tab" (more chance to get an answer if I've more visibility).
 
@wget it is indeed, I tried miktex in my first days of latex, but wasn't my taste :/ I manage to make the color thing work now
 
@wget since before it was called texlive
@wget you could edit it. which also makes it active I think
@wget texlive was essentially a merger of tetex (unix) and fptex (windows) and later merged with mactex, so windows support was there from the start.
 
2:25 PM
@DavidCarlisle Didn't TeX Live exist when tetex was still around? I thought it did.
 
@DavidCarlisle -- yes! that works! dot over "b" is flying high, but everything else in order. what happens if two more words are added, "apricot" and "andiron"? oh, oh, not so good. "andiron" shows up at the top, but "apricot" comes after "applé" and before "ápple". need a little more thought here.
@percusse -- but in my case, the use of a smartphone has slowed me down a great deal. as has an ipad. a full-sized keyboard is much faster and more accurate, although not as easy to carry around. oh, and real pressure sensitive action. switches that rely on heat or static don't work reliably. i've been stuck at elevators waiting for someone to rescue me when such "modern" switches were all that was available.
 
3:17 PM
@DavidCarlisle Could you take a look at my question: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/281099/… ?
 
3:31 PM
@barbarabeeton So true. But what I mean is that programmers shouldn't define the front-end. You can prefer but basing everything on terminal and replicating the exact nonsense of a GUI shouldn't justify the nonsense.
 
@barbarabeeton without real collation support in makeindex you really only have two easy automatic schemes I suspect, in the sort string used before @ you can throw away all diacritics then apricot will come after ápple or you can treat them as letters in the order a á b in which case as you say apricot will come between apple and ápple, not sure you could generate a single string that does diacritic insensitive ordering but then a diacritic sensitive order within that.
 
@percusse expect arara-gui next year. :)
 
Terminal is based on switches which has no preference whatsoever. You can simply keep typing and typing without knowing what is happening
@PauloCereda I'm still expecting the biblatex gui :(
 
@barbarabeeton perhaps could do both versions and concatenate the strings before @ perhaps.
 
@percusse /runs
 
3:34 PM
Is making a font really so hard? I thought they sort of threw those things together.
 
@FaheemMitha Check this one out. They are just selling fonts
 
@FaheemMitha -- depends on whether you want a competent font or something that looks like a dog's breakfast.
 
@MaryStar for goodness sake you know that posting unusable examples is a waste of time, you are asking about the definition of \maketitle in your local thesis style. Just read the documentation of that style or post enough of its code so people can use your examples.
 
@percusse I am back! /whistles
 
/me wonders what a dogs breakfast font would look like.
 
3:38 PM
@PauloCereda I was pinging you in the meantime anyway ;)
 
@percusse A lawsuit? Nasty.
 
@FaheemMitha You can imagine how much fonts cost.
 
@percusse Apparently a lot.
 
But at the same time you have the expertise junk similar to this theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/jun/23/…
 
@FaheemMitha -- consider the use of the font. if an incompetent font is used on a highway directional sign, it could be misread, leading to accidents, or in a less serious result, drivers getting lost. readability is very important, and if the glyphs in a font aren't in proper shape and relation to one another, readability is affected negatively. try to read a badly printed book. it won't be easy. that's why it takes care to make good fonts.
 
3:42 PM
So after some point you have a saturation on the legibility. That is usually where you start using the fake Gill Sans fonts etc.
 
@barbarabeeton I didn't think there was that much to it.
Not enough to be worth tons of money, anyway. Most fonts look somewhat alike, anyway.
Here's a question: is there an efficient way to typeset emails using LaTeX?
 
if you ask any question with the word efficient, you'll get two answers.
 
@FaheemMitha -- read something on the subject, like "alphabet stories", by hermann zapf.
 
@barbarabeeton Ok.
@percusse I'm counting on it.
 
emacs or vim
 
3:45 PM
@barbarabeeton I kern because I care. <3
 
Well, actually I'm not, because I asked in chat.
On the site, it would probably be promptly closed.
@percusse Hmm? How do I use emacs or vim to convert email to LaTeX?
 
@percusse That article seems really bizarre, though. An adult professional relied on an oral agreement about ownership of a company? Really?
 
@FaheemMitha Life is complicated.
 
3:48 PM
@percusse I'm not a business person, and even I wouldn't be that naive. Had nobody ever cheated him before?
 
@percusse LOLOLOL
 
@FaheemMitha An oral contract as a legal value in some country, for example in France
 
@FaheemMitha You might have been ripped off other ways too. Trust is not something to be judged you need context to get an idea. The company was bearing both their names.
So obviously it's not that simple
 
@RomainPicot And unproveable. Even a written agreement can have problems.
 
@FaheemMitha It is a thin line, actually. Legal stuff is not about truth, it's about law interpretation. :)
 
3:50 PM
@FaheemMitha Having your name in the company name could be considered as a proof that you own part of it. But of course everything that is written is better
 
It's easy to resolve everything once they happen
 
Well, point is, he should have made sure things were written down clearly, assuming he had the leverage.
@percusse True, true. It's 20-20. Sometimes 20-10.
Personally I'm one of those annoying people who wants everything in black and white, show me the paperwork kind of person. It doesn't win me any popularity contests, but I do have built-in reflexes about that kind of stuff.
If people don't lay stuff out for me, I become unhappy.
 
@FaheemMitha You'll be missing out a good portion of life.
 
@FaheemMitha And some people add some lawyer in the loop too
 
@percusse Probably. But as an adult, it's kind of hard to get one over on me.
When I was younger, I didn't have a clue.
@RomainPicot If you can find a good, reputable lawyer who isn't trying to rob you, sure.
 
3:57 PM
@FaheemMitha Company even little one do it. Most of the time they can loose more than the cost of a lawyer
 
@RomainPicot Oh, certainly. I'm all in favor of using lawyers.
 
@RomainPicot ask sepp blatter:-)
 
@FaheemMitha I'm not but it's another story
@DavidCarlisle I can't I don't know him ;-)
 
@RomainPicot You seem to be contradicting yourself there. :-)
 
4:19 PM
@percusse That's a bit unfair. He was hypnotized by the Force.
 
4:41 PM
welcome to my world :(
@AProgrammer anyone who's spent any time programming tex tables has told themselves (once they area few years in and it's too late to change) that it would have been better not to have used \halign and simply maintain some data structure of stored boxes and do the alignments "by hand" at the macro layer. \halign makes simple things simple and only very slightly more complicated things impossibly difficult:-) — David Carlisle 1 min ago
 
4:57 PM
@FaheemMitha I'm not for using lawyer because it's stupid idea to say that I should sell software when nobody will pay for it but can be interested in some that know how to use it and will pay for it
@FaheemMitha I've seen this case a lot
 
@RomainPicot I didn't have a specific legal context in mind.
 
 
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7:24 PM
@egreg -- you've got mail.
 
Hey guys. I have a meta question.
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Hello!
 
I just finished "The Not So Short Introduction to LaTeX 2e".
@PauloCereda \o
What's next for me?
What should I study next?
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Would you like to read Nicola's book series? They are very enjoyable!
 
There are certain stuff I lack minimal expertise in, like tikz.
@PauloCereda I'd love anything.
 
7:41 PM
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Q: Typesetting A* in LaTeX using algorithm2e

coderodde The result looks like and my code is: \documentclass[10pt]{article} \usepackage{amsmath} \usepackage[ruled,vlined,linesnumbered]{algorithm2e} \begin{document} \begin{algorithm} \SetKw{Nil}{nil} \SetKw{Is}{is} \SetKw{Not}{not} \SetKw{Mapped}{mapped} ...

 
7:56 PM
@FaheemMitha -- here's more regarding the proper mindset for making a font. the speaker is a stone carver and calligrapher, but it's basically the same approach that's needed. youtube.com/watch?v=A8IeEYwVQSA watch this, then read what wikipedia has to say about his father: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Benson_%28artisan%29
 
@barbarabeeton Ok. Thank you.
 
8:14 PM
@barbarabeeton I think he makes carving letters into stone (which I gather is a big part of what he does) sound rather more interesting than it is, or at any rate, more interesting than I would find it.
But I also agree that people don't have the time to look at things and think about them any more. Which is part of what makes our age different from some preceding ages.
You can't make things that last in a hurry.
 
@FaheemMitha -- and you can't make fonts that are polished in a hurry. "hurry", of course, is relative -- the more experience you have, the more quickly (relatively) you can accomplish a task that makes use of that experience. still not "fast".
 
@barbarabeeton I expect that is true.
@barbarabeeton I hope it doesn't actually take 10 years, though. That seems a little excessive.
 
@FaheemMitha -- true, but (as i well know), work on the stix fonts has taken more than ten years. but that's at least partly because it wasn't done right the first time. corrections take even longer than doing things right the first time. and doing things right the first time depends on knowing what you are doing.
 
8:58 PM
@barbarabeeton I don't know the stix fonts.
The STIX Fonts project is a project sponsored by several leading scientific and technical publishers to provide, under royalty-free license, a comprehensive font set of mathematical symbols and alphabets, intended to serve the scientific and engineering community for electronic and print publication. The STIX fonts are available as fully hinted OpenType/CFF fonts. There is currently no TrueType version of the STIX fonts available, but the STIX Mission Statement includes the intention to create one in the future. However there exists an unofficial conversion of STIX Fonts (from the beta version...
Looks like they are relatively new. Are they good?
 
@FaheemMitha -- depends on your point of view whether they are any good. what they are is reasonably comprehensive, including everything in unicode with a math attribute. they are based on the times roman (text) font. and the symbols are intended to be compatible regarding style with "traditional" times-compatible symbols. the stix fonts are meant to provide a single font collection suitable for setting math and technical documents without needing additional fonts.
 
9:21 PM
@barbarabeeton I guess this must fill a gap then. I must admit I hadn't noticed.
I suppose my needs were not that extensive.
 
9:40 PM
@FaheemMitha -- there are precious few fonts that have a comprehensive complement of the symbols needed by technical publishers. (that's why the stipub members were willing to fund it.) cambria is one such font, but it didn't exist either until after the symbols got accepted into unicode. and getting that to happen took about seven years.
 
@barbarabeeton I see. I didn't know any of that. So what math fonts do most people normally use?
 
@FaheemMitha -- a lot of people just stick with the basic cm set. if they need more, they add them -- amsfonts/amssymb, mathrsfs, stmaryrd, ... depends on what they need. other "base" sets exist, MsSymbol, mathabx, txfonts/pxfonts, ... but "mixing and matching" doesn't usually lead to pleasing output, hence the desire for a comprehensively designed symbol set, with a compatible text set.
 
@barbarabeeton I see. I think I've only ever used amsmath/amssymb stuff. I guess my needs were not extensive.
 

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