TeX, LaTeX and Friends

percusse

12:04 AM

@egreg Looks amazing.

egreg

12:16 AM

@percusse It is.

Christian Hupfer

8:41 AM

@cgnieder: One for you, I suppose: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/203528/…

Joseph Wright

9:00 AM

Morning all

Christian Hupfer

@JosephWright: Good morning (to the others as well, of course ;-))

David Carlisle

10:04 AM

@egreg are you sure they weren't tex.sx members waiting for you?

egreg

@DavidCarlisle :)

Paulo Cereda

10:54 AM

@DavidCarlisle LOL

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: A bad joke: egreg's new movie: TeX from Dusk Till Dawn ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: "I've got six bullets and they all can run faster than you can!" (Seth Gecko)

egreg

@ChristianHupfer The original is one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Mine will be way better.

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: I transcribed some of the Word (fie, fie) documents needed for the meeting to TeX

@egreg: I contradict you :-P

Paulo Cereda

11:03 AM

@ChristianHupfer I think Rich Hall once said that if you and a friend face an alligator, you do not need to outrun the alligator. You just need to outrun your friend. :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: If you've got such friends ...

Oh my, someone downvoted Percusse's recent question on Meta!

@PauloCereda: Wtf is Rich Hall, by the way? :D

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer American comedian. :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: Is he still alive, half alive but in future not so well or dead, really dead?

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer Alive. :)

Christian Hupfer

@egreg: I am sure, in the new TeX From Dusk Till Dawn - movie, you will slay the vampires with various \expandafters and LaTeX3 syntax, apart from typographical suggestions ;-)

@PauloCereda: He's fame seems to be limited to the American continent

Paulo Cereda

11:09 AM

@ChristianHupfer Some parts of the UK, I guess.

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: That's what I said :-P

David Carlisle

11:44 AM

@ChristianHupfer I think he's been evicted from the americas and mostly lives in UK in re-runs of UK comedy quiz shows (from where certain people gain all their information)

Nicolas

12:16 PM

Hello

Are questions related to TeXlive on-topic on tex.sx.com?

Nevermind, I did not see before that there's even a tag for it. Thanks to all of you for answering our stupid questions!

egreg

@Nicolas Yes, of course. There are distribution and texlive

David Carlisle

12:32 PM

@JosephWright did we? must have been while I wasn't looking:-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Yes

@DavidCarlisle Around 2009 I think (when I joined the team: expl3 was a lot rougher then)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright ah i wasn't really paying much attention first decade of this century:-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle I noticed

David Carlisle

@JosephWright :-)

Paulo Cereda

1:35 PM

@DavidCarlisle Does that mean you are old? :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda not as old as egreg

egreg

@DavidCarlisle But you're as old as George Clooney.

David Carlisle

@egreg wrong as ever: George Timothy Clooney (born May 6, 1961)

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Can some month make a difference at your age?

David Carlisle

@egreg maybe it's different in Italy but here we were taught that less than was not a partial order

Paulo Cereda

2:34 PM

@DavidCarlisle oy

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda "if the cap fits, wear it" (as my mother would say if we complained about unspecific accusations:-)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle We have a similar expression in here. :)

@David: I gather all information I need from a vim buffer. :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda probably explains why it's so inaccurate

Manuel

@JosephWright In interface3.pdf the function \prop_get:Nn is mentioned (and also defined in expl3), but not documented. The documented one is \prop_item:Nn.

egreg

@Manuel \prop_get:Nn has recently been renamed \prop_item:Nn. A couple of places in the documentation still have the old name. The old name will still be valid for some months.

Joseph Wright

3:05 PM

@Manuel Will fix

Manuel

@egreg Ah. I just found that \prop_get:Nn worked because that's what I intuitively wrote first, but after looking in the documentation I saw it nowhere. @JosephWright Nice.

Joseph Wright

@Manuel get is for non-expandable functions, hence the change

Manuel

@JosephWright I don't know about those conventions. The same as case is for expandable functions, isn't it? I think you said it some time ago.

Joseph Wright

@Manuel Yes

Manuel

@JosephWright I need to learn :)

Jun-Goo Kwak

3:21 PM

Any way to properly format this definition?

(\forall a \mathrm{,} L \in \mathbb{R} \mathrm{if} \ \forall \varepsilon>0 \in \mathbb{R} {\exists \delta(\varepsilon) > 0 \in \mathbb{R} \mathrm{s.t.} [\forall x][0 < \left | x -a \right | < \delta(\varepsilon) \implies \left | f(x) - L \right | < \varepsilon ] } \mathrm{then} \lim_{x\to a}f(x) = L \ \mathrm{exists}).

egreg

@Jun-GooKwak I'd use many more words.

David Carlisle

@egreg why does that make me smile

Jun-Goo Kwak

@egreg Hi, :p. I wrote the definition in words as well, but I wanted to illustrate it how even in symbols, the definition of limit is still confusing.

But it just goes off the page :(

David Carlisle

@Jun-GooKwak you can use one of the many muti line math environments from amsmath (but code formatting in chat is rubbish, better to make a test document in a question on the main site)

Manuel

@Jun-GooKwak \mathrm => \text. \left| … \right| => \abs{…}. If you are in a paragraph, put what is math between $…$ and the text (what you have now as \mathrm outside it.

Jun-Goo Kwak

3:28 PM

@Manuel @DavidCarlisle Alright, I'll try what you guys recommended. The document in question is here sharelatex.com/project/542436ec0ceb09954f015aee and the problem I'm encountering is at the bottom.

David Carlisle

@Jun-GooKwak not brilliant but gets you started:

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{amsmath,amssymb}

\begin{document}


\begin{flushleft}
$\forall a, L \in \mathbb{R}$\\
if\\
$\forall \varepsilon>0 \in \mathbb{R} {\exists \delta(\varepsilon) > 0 \in \mathbb{R} \mathrm{s.t.} [\forall x][0 < \left | x -a \right | < \delta(\varepsilon) \implies \left | f(x) - L \right | < \varepsilon ] }$\\
then\\
$\lim_{x\to a}f(x) = L \ \mathrm{exists}$.
\end{flushleft}

\end{document}

Jun-Goo Kwak

@DavidCarlisle Thank you very much. I think breaking up the definition into parts like that will make it a lot more readable.

cgnieder

@ChristianHupfer It's already answered, I guess :)

Christian Hupfer

3:50 PM

@cgnieder: Yes, but not at the time of my message to you ;-)

@DavidCarlisle: Thanks for information -- I think, Rich Hall is not very known in Germany. I never heard of him

tohecz

6:55 PM

@VáclavPavlík Ahoj! :D

Václav Pavlík

7:28 PM

@tohecz :D Ahoj.

tohecz

(finally I can speak Czech here to someone, to annoy the mods and other people :p )

Václav Pavlík

@tohecz yeah

egreg

7:56 PM

@PauloCereda Are you involved in DuckDuckGo?

cis

Good Evening. Somebody, who could send me scrletter.dtx and scrletter.ins :()

?

tohecz

@cis CTAN?

cis

It has not become public, as to my knowledge - I could send you the KOMA-Page-Link... komascript.de/node/1837 ... but the text is completely german ;)

OK, I will write to MArkus KOhm

Paulo Cereda

8:41 PM

@egreg I wish. :)

barznjy

8:59 PM

@PauloCereda Hi

Paulo Cereda

@barznjy Hello.

barznjy

I have submitted a paper to a conference, I used IEEE standard conference Latex template, but now it gives me the following error (in the paper)

sidemargins The widest page of the paper has a text width of 7.153 inches on page 1 (widths: 7.153; 7.153; 7.153; 7.153; 7.153; 7.153 inches), which does not leave 1 inches each of left and right margin on a page of 8.5 inches (letter paper). -
bottommargins The paper has a bottom margin of 0.861 inches on page 2, which does not leave 1 inches of margin. -
spacing The paper has an average line spacing of 11.388 pt, but should have 12. You may need to increase your font size.

I used the template, I don't changed any margins, why this happen?

@PauloCereda do you have any idea about that?

Paulo Cereda

@barznjy This does not sound to me like an error, more of a warning.

Or is it a proper error?

barznjy

@PauloCereda OK, but how I can eliminate these warnings?

Paulo Cereda

@barznjy The warning message tells you what to do. :) But if you do so, you are probably not complying with the conference guidelines. A warning is not an error, so I'd leave things as they are.

barznjy

9:10 PM

@PauloCereda Thanks

Paulo Cereda

@barznjy My pleasure. Sadly, it's not wise to tweak the document for a conference.

tohecz

@barznjy because the conference's LaTeX expert is not quite an expert, if you didn't change anything in the template, just ignore the warning

Paulo Cereda

9:25 PM

@tohecz This. :)

tohecz

@PauloCereda :)

@PauloCereda btw, went to Montmartre today, that quarter has never betrayed me, always something new :)

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz :)

egreg

@tohecz And, unless you really choose to, you can't see the horrible thing.

tohecz

@egreg which thing? Moulin rouge? :p

egreg

@tohecz “The horrible thing up the Montmartre hill” can refer to just one object. ;-)

tohecz

9:29 PM

@egreg the .... funicular? :p

egreg

@tohecz Don't be silly! ;-)

tohecz

and if you mean Sacre coeur, then I think it fits into Paris very well: it's as horrible as most of the monuments here, and that's what people so love about the city :)

cis

@tohecz "Moulin rouge" - I made a reservation for my holidays there - something special with it, I should know?

tohecz

@cis at Moulin rouge? you know what type of place it is, right?

cis

@tohecz Mmmh, I know nothing :)

tohecz

9:31 PM

@cis Moulin rouge is a sex theatre

the whole street around is full of sex shops, peep shows and stuff, and the area is not exactly safe at night

cis

@tohecz Oh my dear, I booked a wicked hotel ... :()

tohecz

@cis but maybe there's another place called this way here, have you got a link?

cis

@tohecz No no, it was a joke, from the beginning

tohecz

@cis the two of us need to have a private talk, I'll get my neighbours from Pigalle in :D :P

Paulo Cereda

10:15 PM

@egreg: the girls of Brazil will play in Verona. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda Volleyball? No, thanks. ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg So you won't go see Jaqueline? C'mon. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda Beautiful girl indeed.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg 100% agree. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda Already married, it seems. With a 190 cm tall hitter.

Paulo Cereda

10:25 PM

@egreg Yes, married to Murilo, who also plays in the national team. :) I need to take a look at the list. :P

@DavidCarlisle youtube.com/watch?v=EQnxsEQk8KQ

tohecz

10:46 PM

today married
tomorrow divorced
that would be no
surprise
with such a very
superstar

@Paulo ^^

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz o.O

tohecz

@PauloCereda especially since he's obviously a superstar too

percusse

11:03 PM

All those years, I didn't know that this song was the original

►

Paulo Cereda

@percusse Wow.

percusse

@PauloCereda Wow indeed. My stupidity knows no limits.

I've covered this song at least a good hundred of times.

Paulo Cereda

@percusse I didn't know either. :)

percusse

I always thought this was Ugly Kid Joe

tohecz

11:21 PM

ok guys, good night

U.Martinez-Corral

11:34 PM

Hello! Just a quick 'meta' question. Some days ago I found a page with some common answers to welcome new users, to ask for a MWE... I'm trying to have look at it now, but can't find it. Could you tell me how to get to it?

percusse

170

Q: I've just been asked to write a minimal example, what is that?

I was posting some question about this strange thing LaTeX is doing when I try to compile my thesis. Someone asked me to provide a minimal example that reproduces the problem. My thesis is now a few hundred pages long and spans along ten different source files! How am I supposed to know what or w...

@U.Martinez-Corral This one?

Or you need the text blocks?

129

Q: Text building blocks

There are some replies that are used quite often. For example, the first reply to many questions is a demand for a minimal example. These replies should typically include a link with additional information. So I thought that it might be useful to collect some standard replies for quick copy&paste...