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6:14 AM
@user56799 Any reason you deleted your footnote question: I was half-way through an answer :-)
 
6:49 AM
@cgnieder Seems like golatex is having some problems. I get a 408 very often these days.
 
7:12 AM
@JosephWright: I though that I would not get any answer. I now undeleted the question per your request.
 
@user56799 Ah: that was quite a quick decision :-)
 
 
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9:12 AM
@cgnieder Seems like 408 is more or less my fault :-(
 
@Johannes_B ? What have you done?
 
@cgnieder Nothing i am aware of. Seems like my internet connection pauses every once in a while. The golatex server is fine (i guess).
 
@Johannes_B Ah OK... :( I haven't had any problems with golatex, which would confirm this
 
@cgnieder Lunchtime, see you later.
 
@Johannes_B bon appetite :)
 
9:57 AM
Hey, we can have another party soon! @PeterGrill needs just 125 points to be 100K
 
10:41 AM
Actual pdflatex output. no error or anything. From Latex generated by Mathematica:
 
@Nasser Conclusion: Mathematica is not very good at this
 
@JosephWright Ok, this entry is from Maple Latex via pdflatex:
No errors from pdflatex also.
 
@Nasser Quite possibly: you can tell TeX to overlap things if you like. I suspect the code here is horrible :-)
 
@JosephWright no. It is just one equation. No wrapping or anything.
Here it is:
it is too large to post. But it is just one long answer of a solution to a differential equation.
it is about 20 pages long
Here is the start of it:
I do not think Latex can handle large equations like this.
 
@Nasser Typeset text is meant to be read. While I might endeavor reading War and Peace (about 1000 pages), nothing in the world will make me attempt to read 20 pages of such gibberish.
 
10:56 AM
@egreg it is CAS output, meant for documentation/reference/comparison/mesurments, etc... sometimes CAS can generate very large output
 
@Nasser Very large pretty useless output.
@Nasser In any case, TeX won't be able to typeset a 20 page tabular with a third l column as long as a big anaconda.
 
@egreg sane problem without the tabular. Just on its own.
 
@Nasser A paragraph is entirely read into memory; 20 pages won't fit. Try LuaLaTeX.
 
11:19 AM
@Nasser It should be easy to typeset that (if you must) but clearly not in an l column which implies it's all on one line. You just need to remove every \left and \right and insert $\par$ at random points not within {} to allow tex to do the linebreaking in chunks. But really there is not a lot of point in typesetting it as it's not readable the archival use is better served by just verbatim copying the CAS output in verbatim so that anyone who cares can copy it back in.
 
11:55 AM
It's cold here in São Paulo! :)
 
@PauloCereda according to accuweather it's sunny and 14 expected to rise to 23, so a hot summer day, stop complaining
 
@DavidCarlisle LOL
@David: How's yaml doing? :)
 
@egreg War and peace is certainly worth reading
 
@JosephWright I need to be mentally prepared to read Tolstoy. :)
 
@Nasser Depends what you mean by 'handle': it's badly set up (look at all those {\it \_{a}} for a start)
 
12:03 PM
@PauloCereda trouble is with windows software is just randomly installed into program files and you can't just copy everything especially if changing from 7 to 8, so every couple of minutes I think oh @@@ haven't got xxx but Ive got cygwin and tl 2014 and emacs so it's getting there. they've squeezed a numpad onto a 15in laptop case so the keyboard's smaller and my typing is thus even worse:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh my. :) Does it come with preinstalled stuff?
 
@PauloCereda start from the back page, read backwards as far as you can be bothered and you'll know enough to bluff your way through and sound educated at parties.
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
If you watch the movie Jaws backwards, it's a movie about a shark that keeps throwing up people until they have to open a beach.
@DavidCarlisle: ^^
 
@PauloCereda well possibly and then sysadmins get it and install things like corporate vpn and virus stuff, but microsoft help compiler and sandcastle (.NET help generator) matlab and gnuplot and chrome canary and ff nightly and java and lego digital designer and minecraft and ... aren't preinstalled:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh no! :)
 
12:22 PM
@PauloCereda That's Swaj!
 
12:37 PM
@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle This is auto-generated Latex by Maple and Mathematica. I have no control over its quality. I was wondering what pdflatex generates all those cross lines. Here is a small output I just found. Here is the pdf
This is one equation. The latex file if you need to try it is here
12000.org/tmp/071514/foo.tex
It should look like this:
 
@Nasser maple and mathematica only generate what you ask them to generate, you always have control over the quality. But as I said above you probably shouldn't be asking for latex typeset form in this case.
@Nasser it looks better as:
 
@DavidCarlisle very nice! How did you do that? I hope it was a simple trick?
 
\usepackage{amsmath,mathtools}
\usepackage{amsfonts}
\usepackage{amssymb}
\usepackage{hyperref}

\begin{document}

\let\left\relax
\let\right\relax
\let\oldfrac\frac
\renewcommand\sqrt[2][2]{(#2)^{\oldfrac{1}{#1}}}
\def\frac#1#2{(#1)/(#2)}

\begin{flushleft}
$.....
 
@DavidCarlisle do I add the above to the few large latex code I have? I have about 10-15 of such cases now, where they break down as shown. So just add the above before each?
I do not know how you do this.
 
@Nasser yes or stick those lines in a package or whatever. of course I just redefined enough for that one example other commands may need fixing to be inline as well
 
12:53 PM
@DavidCarlisle I see. But how did you know it was the sqrt[2][2] that was the problem?
 
@Nasser I know how I did it but I would never do this, it's not useful to anyone. Noone is going to read it by eye and the remaining typeset forms make it hard to do anything mechanical with it.
@Nasser because I typeset the original and the overbar of the sqrt signs were extending off the right edge of the page
 
@DavidCarlisle I see! So those straight lines where coming from the sqrt. Ok, thanks.
 
@Nasser it would be far better to put a machine readable version of the expression in a verbatim
@Nasser some are, some are fraction bars but you need to get rid of both
 
@DavidCarlisle but verbatim is impossible to read. Here is the current page fyi: 12000.org/my_notes/kamek/version_1/index.htm I will try to fix the few broken ones using your method. Thanks.
 
@Nasser no one is ever going to read that. the verbatim version and be cut and pasted and given to a machine to read which makes it possibly useful. the typeset version is just 7 pages of wasted dead tree
 
12:58 PM
@DavidCarlisle I have have verbatim version of the original ODE's there also. I just never got to make a verbatim of the output. Will try to do that. Need to fix tex4ht output first.
 
1:13 PM
To be honest, i can't remember how to divide by hand. But there is package polynom which should be able to do that? latex-community.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=24963
 
@egreg "Compare it to the output of David's answer" comparison done and tick awarded accordingly!
 
@Johannes_B I remember how to divide by hand and also know how it works. ;-) After all, I teach it every year to my students (prospective primary school teachers). I think there is a package for that, not polynom. Try xlop
@DavidCarlisle I added the answer after the (unmerited) tick had been assigned. ;-)
 
@egreg wow, you trying to steal a tick after it had been awarded, that's most unlike you.....
 
@egreg @DavidCarlisle Thanks guys, first the wikipedia entry, then xlop, then the blog entry.
 
@DavidCarlisle Just showing a typographically sound form of the table, rather than a poor one. :P
 
1:24 PM
@egreg just answering the question as asked:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle You know that I answer the question that should have been asked.
 
2:00 PM
@egreg @DavidCarlisle Thanks for the Input guys. I also figured out how to do long division (once again). -> latex-community.org/forum/…
 
2:17 PM
Package filecontents can be evil: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/191664
 
2:27 PM
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THIS IS GREAT!!! Congratulations @PeterGrill
Besides being a great TeXer, @PeterGrill is also a fantastic source of rep!
 
@PeterGrill Congrats (you got there before Heiko:-)
 
2:43 PM
@egreg I'm sure you will want to vote for this: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/191734/…
 
2:58 PM
@PeterGril Congratulations!
 
@DavidCarlisle Just because I'm in good mood, waiting for the next test against India.
 
@egreg and because you have more green squares in the 100K club no doubt:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle We green squares form a mafia.
 
3:43 PM
@PeterGrill Congratulations!
 
3:55 PM
@PeterGrill: congrats! :)
 
@GonzaloMedina The “no bibliography with res.cls” question seems a duplicate of
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Q: Custom class file bib not appearing

phil0stineUsing a minimal biblatex example shown below, I am trying to incorporate citations into a resume using a custom class file The class file Starts with \PassOptionsToClass{11pt,12pt}{article} \LoadClassWithOptions{article} so I imagined the behavior should not change if I change the document c...

Ulrike's answer also has a better workaround
 
@egreg Ha ha!
Congratulations, @PeterGrill.
 
@egreg Yes. Answer deleted; marked as duplicate; voted to close. And in such a short time it had 3 up-votes. I guess those silly problems attract the attention of certain voters.
 
@GonzaloMedina For one of the worst classes I've ever seen.
 
@egreg Agreed.
 
4:08 PM
@GonzaloMedina Robo-reviewers...?
 
@Werner I don't get it. What's a robo-reviewer? (the "robo" prefix is not clear to me).
 
@GonzaloMedina @Werners comment: bots giving upvotes for special tags/keywords?
 
@Johannes_B Ah. Thanks. Are there such bots?
 
@Johannes_B Well, I often get votes just seconds after I submit my answer. Trust. ;-)
 
@GonzaloMedina I hope not, and then i do, cause my hope in humankind is not lost entirely. Yet ...
@egreg That's @PauloCereda ;-) just waiiting for more things to learn
 
4:19 PM
@GonzaloMedina I mean people who use the review queue solely for the badge-related earnings.
 
@egreg I also think the same; in fact, it's very unusual when an answer of mine doesn't get up-voted after a few seconds I posted it (it has happened just a few times).
@Werner Ah, that seems more plausible.
 
There is (virtually) no consideration for looking at a "First post" and inspecting it for spelling mistakes, retagging or commenting on whatever.
Similarly for "Late answers" and "Low Quality posts".
I've seen those upvoted, only to be deleted shortly after that when the "answer" is clearly "not an answer".
Or, something passed that "Looks OK" when it is clearly not OK.
Those I call robo-reviews.
It's like clicking within caring.
...like a robot.
...boy, did that seem like a rant?!
 
@Werner Seem?
 
@egreg Oh dear... excuse my interwebs breakdown.
 
@Werner I fully agree! I'm just rarely able to see a reviewable item.
 
4:28 PM
@egreg That's funny. I am under the impression sometimes that some users have some more access to the reviews than I do. I don't know if you know what I mean.
 
@GonzaloMedina I know what you mean...
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Q: How is this user able to review posts so long after they were completed originally?

WernerThis is a revisit of Are certain users favored the opportunity to review posts? that seems to have grown stale without any solid answer. Just recently I was baffled by a user's ability to review a "First Post" almost 6 hours after it had been reviewed previously: In my experience, certain rev...

@egreg True...
 
@Werner Exactly that. So it seems that it is true and some users have found a way to access reviews more easily...
 
@GonzaloMedina I think so, but I don't know how.
With my post there I've left it in the hands of the "people in charge".
 
Hey, never noticed that site:
 
@Johannes_B They seem quite big
 
4:39 PM
@Johannes_B With this one
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Q: How did people make bread before sugar was 'discovered'

HoytmanModern recipes (as far as I know) for bread includes sugar. Sugar gives the yeast a food source, which supports it growth and allows yeast to give bread many of its qualities. It hit me the other day that sugar (produced from sugar cane) is a relatively new commodity. People did not have this ...

Sugar in bread???
 
@Werner Which apparently haven't been able to do nothing. ALmost a year after your post I still see the same bias.
 
@egreg well sugar in yeast;-)
 
@egreg yep, a little bit lets the dough rise to more than 100 % to a maximum possible volume (dont't know how much). With 12 % sugar the dough volume is back to 100 % (no sugar added) and rising amounts of sugar decrease the volume.
 
@GonzaloMedina Yes. Looking back the word bias seems wrong. But I don't know what's going on there...
 
@Werner Yes, it is not bias; it's more exploiting a weakness in the system.
 
4:45 PM
@GonzaloMedina Nice!
 
@egreg btw: i was baking bread on saturday. The result was satisfying. But the bread rolls were not good :-(
@egreg Maybe i should have used sugar? :-)
 
@Johannes_B I'll give you the same answer as Marcel Marceau in Silent Movie: NON!
 
@JosephWright This user is using stars to mark statistical significance. The are unwanted spaces with negative values. texwelt.de/wissen/fragen/7377/…
@egreg :-)
 
5:26 PM
@Werner it's a fact. Nothing has been done regarding the "exploitation of the system weakness" (see last comment to the answer to your question on META).
 
@GonzaloMedina Hmmmm...
@GonzaloMedina: What did you order from StackExchange when you reached 200k?
 
@Werner I ordered 3 black StackExchange hoodies (one for my wife, one for our daughter, one for me).
 
@GonzaloMedina Spreading the love. :)
 
6:29 PM
Clearly Not an answer:
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A: Algoritmic return command = 0

user59154\begin{algorithm}[t] \label{alg: buffer_mgmt} \begin{algorithmic} \STATE Packets p sent from $n_{s}$ and received at $n_{fwd}$ \IF {BufferQueue at $n_{fwd}$ is not FULL} \STATE Buffer p at $n_{fwd}$; \ELSE \STATE $R_{min}$ = getMinReachabilityValue(BufferQ...

...but someone up-voted it. :)
 
6:50 PM
@Werner Autobots are failing. Back to extreme flagging :P @JosephWright will hate us
 
@percusse I'm already overdue on many alcoholic beverages for @JosephWright and others...
 
@Werner So do I. We should send the astronaut version of the beverages in the form of powder. Would be also fun in the UK customs.
 
@percusse :) And then @JosephWright can write a blog post about it, followed by a new moderator election! :D
 
@Werner Let's hope he would end up in a place where moderation is possible should things go horribly wrong.
 
@percusse He he...
 
6:58 PM
@Werner Maybe we should start reviewing the review queue and fix the most obvious ones.
 
@percusse What do you mean by "fix"?
 
Flag the wrong Looks OK ones etc.
 
@percusse The posts or the users?
 
@Werner Sometimes if I'm really bored, I go through the already reviewed q/a to see whether it is closed too fast or it was an answer but hastily flagged etc. I don't know if we should do it on purpose and more often. It seems that wrong positives and false negatives have been increased
 
@percusse That's admirable...
@percusse: Bored? There are many unanswered questions, you know...
 
7:05 PM
@Werner We owe to Dutch Railways - Nationale Spoorwegen(NS). Sometimes people say that the abbreviation is for Nooit Snel (Never fast)
@Werner Yes, I'm trying to finish a few questions still. One is about what @PeterGrill asked some time ago. The other one is this neverending code reading and PGF trig functions with increased precision.
 
@percusse :)
 
@AlanMunn @PauloCereda Just saw them in North Sea Jazz Festival
I really recommend him.
 
7:56 PM
@percusse, @Werner Huh?
 
Well, when I see “I do not need style advise from someone clearly not working in the same field. I just want the (La)TeX code to do this." my reaction is “do it yourself”.
 
@egreg Huh?
 
@JosephWright A newbie wrote that comment after my attempts to understand the problem. "Go and buy some politeness” I should have added.
 
@egreg I tracked it down :-)
 
@percusse ooh! :)
 
8:05 PM
Good evening/good morning/good ... (please fill in yourself ;-))
 
@PauloCereda Did you bring the cake for @PeterGrill?
 
@egreg I have a couple of donuts. :)
 
@JosephWright Uhhmmm... don't worry about it. Just some back-and-forth between @percusse and me.
 
@PauloCereda Did you see? Exactly 100000, spectacular!
 
@egreg Calculated. :)
 
 
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9:20 PM
@Johannes_B: Good evening
 
Nice! A class that redefines \@xfloat using modified code from LaTeX 2.09! Curiously enough, the class chokes when TikZ is used in a figure environment. ;-)
And another small gem! The class has \def\@xfloat#1[#2] { with a space before {! So if one doesn't specify the optional argument there's an error.
 
9:35 PM
@ChristianHupfer Good evening sir, how are you?
 
@Johannes_B: Gut, und selbst?
 
@ChristianHupfer I try to figure out (once again) how to cite/link a TUG mailing list (pipermail) mail
@ChristianHupfer Auch gut, Danke :-)
 
Ein Bier, bitte!
 
@PauloCereda Right now: Wicküler
 
@PauloCereda: No, I offered you one yesterday, that is enough :D
 
9:39 PM
@Johannes_B From the archive page
 
@Johannes_B :)
@ChristianHupfer Oh.
 
@PauloCereda: Jeden Tag eine gute Tat ;-)
 
@Johannes_B: Never used that mailing list so far and did not cite it ever
 
@ChristianHupfer er... I have no idea about the meaning. :)
 
9:42 PM
@JosephWright Thanks for the keyword. :-) You saved my day (again)
 
@PauloCereda: Something like 'Do one good and helpful everyday', slogan of the Scouts. I use it however, if I deny some favour to pupils ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Ah. :)
 
@PauloCereda: Sorry, there is a word missing: "Do one good and helpful job everyday" ;-)
 
Hubschrauber
Seems like they got a client for the hospital. :-(
 
@Johannes_B: ???
 
9:51 PM
@ChristianHupfer I think the helicopter dropped off some ill person.
 
@Johannes_B: Do you live nearby a hospital?
 
@ChristianHupfer Well, Freiberg/Saxony is a small town and i am sitting outside.
 
@Johannes_B: Ah, Freiberg, "Bergakademie" etc.
 
@ChristianHupfer exactly ;-)
 
@Johannes_B: I live north of "Freiburg" :D
 
9:55 PM
@ChristianHupfer btw: Why didn't i notice you over at TeXwelt.de
@ChristianHupfer That is not even close :-D
 
@Johannes_B: No, not close, but funny ... "Freib*e*rg" and "Freib*u*rg" ;-)
 
@egreg one that you wrote?
 
@Johannes_B: I want to improve my English... well, without success :D
 
@DavidCarlisle I was suspecting about you.
 
@egreg which class (didn't see the start of the thread)
 
9:58 PM
@JosephWright BTW: i am feeling a bit lonely over at latex-community.org.
 
@DavidCarlisle It's mnthesis.cls, made for University of Minnesota in 1989. And converted to LaTeX2e (not really, though) in 2005.
@DavidCarlisle Its \@xfloat has \global\setbox\@currbox\vbox\bgroup, which seems a clear sign.
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Q: Problems with TikZ when I change document class

LarsI encountered a problem related to TikZ when I changed from article document class to mnthesis document class, which is custom made. The mnthesis document class does not recognize tikz. Please see the code below. First is the test1.tex code with the article document class, then the mnthesis.cl...

 
@egreg I broke so much stuff adding color box groups to @xfloat :(
 
10:31 PM
@DavidCarlisle See? You're the one to blame. :P
 
@egreg of course
 
10:48 PM
Does anyone have experience with \documentclass{memoir}?
Its \maketitle prints date in local language (it is inherited from OS settings, it seems). I don't need anything but English in the document.
 
@Akater: \usepackage[english]{babel} does not work?
 
No, and option in documentcalss doesn't work too.
 
Have you tried \selectlanguage{english} too?
 
Yes, in different places.
Before \begin{document}, after \begin{document}. Even before \documentcalss (I don't understand LaTeX internals so I did it just in case.)
 
@Akater: Did you search the questions on TeX.SX already if there is a similar question?
 
10:52 PM
I Googled. Will try internal search now.
Questions are mostly about how to specify regional titles, it seems. :-]
\documentclass[12pt]{memoir}
\usepackage{graphicx}
\usepackage[T2A]{fontenc}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage[english]{babel}
…No, internal search for tex.sx doesn't help.
 
Try to include \usepackage{datetime}, perhaps that helps
 
Thank you. Trying it now.

`\usepackage[english, russian]{babel}` with russian included, plus `\selectlanguage{english}` after `\begin{document}` helps, actually. But I'd like to know what exactly happens. :-)
 
@Akater if you specify two languages to babel, the last one is the default so if you want english defaults use [russian,english]
 
Yes, that works perfectly. Thank you.

Still, it seems like it's forcing local language. I'm not an adanced TeX user, I just try to keep the code clean.
 
@Akater tex has no idea of your OS locale settings
 
11:07 PM
@Akater: It should default to English language anyway if there is no other language settings
 
Hmm. It's very unlikely that I've installed a localized TeX distribution. Why on Earth would it demand mentioning russian in prelude?
I mean, I didn't tamper with default settings. This is weird.
 
@Akater can you make a small document with just say \tableofcontents or anything else that generates fixed text that you think should be in english and if it comes our in another language we could say why, otherwise we are just guessing
-
 
\documentclass[12pt]{memoir}
\usepackage[T2A]{fontenc}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage[english]{babel}

\begin{document}
\tableofcontents
\end{document}
produces English Contents.
 
What does \today in your original setup say?
 
@Akater What else should it do?
 
11:15 PM
Ah, I get it. Something about russian was in the auxilary file.
(One of them.)
I deleted them all, and now everything works as expected.
 
@Akater The default language is English. If you don't load \usepackage[russian]{babel}, then English will be used.
Use T2A only if you really want to typeset Cyrillic text.
 
Looks like loading it once turned out to be a side-effect.
 
Good night
 
@Akater Changing the selected language in the LaTeX file requires removing the .aux file. Or going past the error and typeset again.
 
Thank you! :-)
 

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